Stupid tire rotation?

[Hammerballs]

When rotating the tires does the truck automatically identify the new location of each TPMS sensor or is that something that has to be reprogrammed?

Also, am I dumb to feel like changing my oil every 4,000 miles? I have maintenance for life but they only do the services on the manufacturer recommended 8,000 mile schedule. I was thinking of doing an in between service myself.

[TwinStick]

Oil change intervals are totally up to you. If you use full synthetic, you can easily go more than 4000k IMHO. If using conventional oil, I'd change it every 4000k. Also, if going more than 4000k & using full synthetic, make sure you get an oil filter rated for the mileage you want to go. They make em in reg (3000k), xl extended life 7500 miles & 10,000 & 15,000. Amsoil goes even further, to 25,000 miles using their top shelf signature series oil & top shelf signature series filter. Everyone is different. I have gone 15,000 in all our cars with no issues. 1 is approaching 200,000. My truck, I do once a year but only put about 3-4k a year on it. That will change soon once we start traveling.

If you want to be as careful & frugal as possible, install one of these: http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/f ... e=BMK23-EA

I met a guy in Texas at a fuel station who had one on his diesel Ford. He said he had 160,000 miles on the oil that was in the truck right then ! I was intrigued & asked to see it. He pulled the dipstick & the oil was honey colored & looked like he just changed it. He said he sends in oil samples to Blackstone Labratories every 10-15k miles. Well worth it if it works that good. He said he changes the filters religiously at the recommended mileage. I think he said 1 at 10k & the other at 15k, but don't quote me on that.

As far as the tire sensors for tires, IDK for sure but I don't think they have to be reprogrammed just for tire rotation. Someone with more knowledge on the new trucks should chime in shortly.

[Hammerballs]

Oil change intervals are totally up to you. If you use full synthetic, you can easily go more than 4000k IMHO. If using conventional oil, I'd change it every 4000k. Also, if going more than 4000k & using full synthetic, make sure you get an oil filter rated for the mileage you want to go. They make em in reg (3000k), xl extended life 7500 miles & 10,000 & 15,000. Amsoil goes even further, to 25,000 miles using their top shelf signature series oil & top shelf signature series filter. Everyone is different. I have gone 15,000 in all our cars with no issues. 1 is approaching 200,000. My truck, I do once a year but only put about 3-4k a year on it. That will change soon once we start traveling.

If you want to be as careful & frugal as possible, install one of these: http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/f ... e=BMK23-EA

I met a guy in Texas at a fuel station who had one on his diesel Ford. He said he had 160,000 miles on the oil that was in the truck right then ! I was intrigued & asked to see it. He pulled the dipstick & the oil was honey colored & looked like he just changed it. He said he sends in oil samples to Blackstone Labratories every 10-15k miles. Well worth it if it works that good. He said he changes the filters religiously at the recommended mileage. I think he said 1 at 10k & the other at 15k, but don't quote me on that.

As far as the tire sensors for tires, IDK for sure but I don't think they have to be reprogrammed just for tire rotation. Someone with more knowledge on the new trucks should chime in shortly.

I'm sure the dealer will use the Mopar oil filters so I don't know what quality those are. I know they use the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum oil that is speced. Maybe I should just do a filter change every 4k miles. I was going to use the Wix filter. Then the oil would be changed every 8k by the dealer for free and a Mopar filter would run for 4k and a Wix filter would run for 4k. I just turned my first 4k today so was trying to decide what I wanted/should do to keep this engine clean for as long as possible.

I'm probably going to rotate the tires tomorrow so we will see about the TPMS sensors. Doesn't really matter because I already run the tires below the sensor threshold so I have to look at the yellow light on the dash.

[olyelr]

I have rotated my tires twice now without reprogramming anything with the sensors. It might take a bit for them to recalculate, but they will read correctly.

[Stickman]

My '12 knew when I rotated the tires, everything changed accordingly. I'm assuming the TPMS are the same or very similar between the years

[TwinStick]

I wonder how long before they have "tread wear sensors" ?

Or, have the vehicle automatically return itself to dealer when sensor comes on ?

Someone needs to tell these idiots : ENOUGH WITH ALL THE SENSORS ALREADY !

There should be one of these in all new vehicles to turn all that shit off: https://www.google.com/search?q=image+o ... 27&bih=769

See, that was easy !

[waldo]

If you're running the expensive Pennzoil Ultra, it's probably a waste to change it before 8K or so. That's about where I do it on my 16, although I did the first one at 4K.

[Bill2014]

When rotating the tires does the truck automatically identify the new location of each TPMS sensor or is that something that has to be reprogrammed?

Per the manual - "Auto localization" will identify the new sensor locations after 15-20 minutes of driving above 5mph.

Also, am I dumb to feel like changing my oil every 4,000 miles? I have maintenance for life but they only do the services on the manufacturer recommended 8,000 mile schedule. I was thinking of doing an in between service myself.

Just follow the oil change indicator interval built into the truck system. The engineers that designed the engine defined those requirements, why would any of us know better... Also, per the manual, don't exceed 8000 miles or 1 year between oil changes on our 2500's.

[nts007]

Did I just read "expensive pennzoil" lol. Wouldn't put that in anything but a beater. Use cheap oil? Ok change it way more often

[Rodeoflyer]

Every time I rotate my tpms goes crazy. It acclimates after 1-2k.

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[Hammerballs]

Did I just read "expensive pennzoil" lol. Wouldn't put that in anything but a beater. Use cheap oil? Ok change it way more often

From everything I have read the Pennzoil Ultra is some of the best oil on the market.

The only reason I question the oil life meter built into the truck is it appears to just be tracking perfectly linear with the 8k recommendation. 4k = 50%. I have my doubts the oil breakdown is that perfect. It makes me think the oil sensor is pretty generic.

[Reloaderguy]

Did I just read "expensive pennzoil" lol. Wouldn't put that in anything but a beater. Use cheap oil? Ok change it way more often

From everything I have read the Pennzoil Ultra is some of the best oil on the market.

The only reason I question the oil life meter built into the truck is it appears to just be tracking perfectly linear with the 8k recommendation. 4k = 50%. I have my doubts the oil breakdown is that perfect. It makes me think the oil sensor is pretty generic.

Search the SRT forums, they have done significant oil analysis and most conclude the PUP is pretty poor quality. Some of the jargon flies over my head but what sticks out is that PUP sheers to 30W almost instantly and lacks the additives of many other brands. I switched to Amsoil within the first 3000mi and the difference was audible; no more ticking at idle or lifter noise at startup. I'm not sure if I'm going to run Amsoil forever because there are some good synthetic oils on the market that cost significantly less but I can tell you I doubt I'll ever run PUP in my truck again.

[nts007]

Did I just read "expensive pennzoil" lol. Wouldn't put that in anything but a beater. Use cheap oil? Ok change it way more often

From everything I have read the Pennzoil Ultra is some of the best oil on the market.

The only reason I question the oil life meter built into the truck is it appears to just be tracking perfectly linear with the 8k recommendation. 4k = 50%. I have my doubts the oil breakdown is that perfect. It makes me think the oil sensor is pretty generic.

Search the SRT forums, they have done significant oil analysis and most conclude the PUP is pretty poor quality. Some of the jargon flies over my head but what sticks out is that PUP sheers to 30W almost instantly and lacks the additives of many other brands. I switched to Amsoil within the first 3000mi and the difference was audible; no more ticking at idle or lifter noise at startup. I'm not sure if I'm going to run Amsoil forever because there are some good synthetic oils on the market that cost significantly less but I can tell you I doubt I'll ever run PUP in my truck again.

X2!!
Do a lot more research. You will bang your head against the wall many time over for using pennzoil. Oil is the blood of your vehicle. Last place to be cheap and uninformed

[OffroadTreks]

From everything I have read the Pennzoil Ultra is some of the best oil on the market.

Penzoil is only spec'd/recommend because of a marketing deal. Goes on all the time in the autoworld. This is why you see Goodyear Wrangler SR-A tires on trucks on lots everywhere. And not better tires like Michelin.

Search the SRT forums, they have done significant oil analysis and most conclude the PUP is pretty poor quality. Some of the jargon flies over my head but what sticks out is that PUP sheers to 30W almost instantly and lacks the additives of many other brands. I switched to Amsoil within the first 3000mi and the difference was audible; no more ticking at idle or lifter noise at startup. I'm not sure if I'm going to run Amsoil forever because there are some good synthetic oils on the market that cost significantly less but I can tell you I doubt I'll ever run PUP in my truck again.

Bet me to it. Ditto. I've been running Amsoil in the new truck since I got it. Before in the 5.7 I was running Royal Purple. I'll probably run the Amsoil up till the first 100k.

I've been changing mine at every 8k. No problemo's

[DamageWagon]

Running a synthetic and paying for oil analysis is probably the best thing you can do. You could run your truck to 20,000 miles or 1 year safely I think with amsoil signature and their eA filters. I would be more worried about oil loss and starvation than oil quality at that point though. Just take analysis and see what it says. I use Blackstone because they are impartial to what you use. Amsoil has their own, but I rather keep things separate from the guys selling the oil.


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[OffroadTreks]

So recently we just did over the 8k, I think just over 10k. Becuase we had 20% left before our trip from Idaho to Florida. And that trip was 5292 miles round. I ended up just resetting the oil warning light. I didn't feel like doing it before we left, or during the trip itself.

[Bill2014]

Regarding the oil, Fiat/Chrysler has a lot to lose if the engines fail prematurely. I would use whatever the cheapest oil available is that meets MS-12633. If a substitute oil doesn't meet that spec, then don't use it! Why give them any reason to deny a warranty claim. All the time people waste money on something that's "better" just because it's better when good enough is really good enough.

And again, follow the manufacturers recommendation and use the recommended oil filter. Insert the same arguments as above.

[nts007]

The same manufacture that decided to save a buck uses atf+4 for all the fluids? Tranny tcase pwr steering? No the manufacture makes sure it lasts just long enough so when repairs are on You that it's gonna make then money wether you fix or buy new.

[OffroadTreks]

The same manufacture that decided to save a buck uses atf+4 for all the fluids? Tranny tcase pwr steering? No the manufacture makes sure it lasts just long enough so when repairs are on You that it's gonna make then money wether you fix or buy new.

[Hammerballs]

Well f*ck me sideways! Use the speced Pennzoil so they have no excuse to screw with your warranty if something goes bad. Use a "better" oil and they may screw you over or maybe the engine lasts longer. Thing is I was "given" a maintenance for life service when I purchased so it would be nice to take advantage of that but they are for sure using the Pennzoil and Mopar filter. I wish Amsoil or whatever better oils would get the Chrysler certification.

As for the tire rotation, did that today and only had to drive around the block for the sensors to relocate themselves in the computer.

[OffroadTreks]

Well f*ck me sideways! Use the speced Pennzoil so they have no excuse to screw with your warranty if something goes bad. Use a "better" oil and they may screw you over or maybe the engine lasts longer. Thing is I was "given" a maintenance for life service when I purchased so it would be nice to take advantage of that but they are for sure using the Pennzoil and Mopar filter. I wish Amsoil or whatever better oils would get the Chrysler certification.

As for the tire rotation, did that today and only had to drive around the block for the sensors to relocate themselves in the computer.

How are they going to know what oil you used? Think about this statement for longer than a second.


And the Amsoil actually meets and exceeds their specs, as stated elsewhere on this site before.

[jtcarlsen67]

Well f*ck me sideways! Use the speced Pennzoil so they have no excuse to screw with your warranty if something goes bad. Use a "better" oil and they may screw you over or maybe the engine lasts longer. Thing is I was "given" a maintenance for life service when I purchased so it would be nice to take advantage of that but they are for sure using the Pennzoil and Mopar filter. I wish Amsoil or whatever better oils would get the Chrysler certification.

As for the tire rotation, did that today and only had to drive around the block for the sensors to relocate themselves in the computer.

How are they going to know what oil you used? Think about this statement for longer than a second.


And the Amsoil actually meets and exceeds their specs, as stated elsewhere on this site before.

They won't know. But if you need warranty service and you didn't get it done at a dealer and recorded...they will ask for your supporting documentation showing the oil and filter you purchased to use on your vehicle. And if you have to take it in for warranty service, to compete the ruse, you'd have to change the oil and filter to the recommended kind so it looks like that's what you were using the whole time; that and bring in all the falsified receipts you have showing that you "bought" the recommended products.

I for one got the lifetime warranty for $2400. So I'll let FCA use whatever product they want and then if the stuff they require is shit then they can cover the repairs.

[nts007]

Very little doesn't meet their specification. Go ahead and use a fram filter and pennzoil. It's your truck. And it meets spec

[olyelr]

Very little doesn't meet their specification. Go ahead and use a fram filter and pennzoil. It's your truck. And it meets spec

Actually, it seemed like back when i was looking to change the oil in my truck there was very little available that actually met their criteria for the 6.4l.

[Hammerballs]

Just did a little more reading last night and found this blog for a guy that tests oils. Seems to be VERY proud of his testing. He has the 0W40 Mobile 1 "FS" European Car Formula ranked #3 out of a crap ton of other tested oils and oils with aftermarket additives. He said this version of Mobile 1 rated highest of any off the shelf oil he has ever tested.

http://www.540ratblog.wordpress.com

Found a post and link from him on a Corvette forum.
http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6- ... l-gas.html

So what do people think about running this Mobile 1 with the Mopar filter? Then there is probably no way the dealer would know what oil I'm using for my oil change. I'll get their free oil change at each recommended ~8k service interval. So my truck would be running their Pennzoil Ultra Platinum for 4k and then the Mobile 1 I put in for 4k. Both with Mopar filters so as not to tip the dealer off.

I find this whole oil is a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation. I plan on keeping this truck well beyond my 7 year warranty so I don't really want to run sub par oil in it for the first 7 years.