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Re: Tires. Again.

Post by SilverWagon05 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:23 pm

PWRider wrote:Any opinion on Goodyear Duratrac?
Aside of disappeared 37" size are Procomp Xtreme MT ok in winter snow/ice?
I can't speak about the GY Duratrac, but I was very pleased with my Pro Comps in the snow and ice.
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Re: Tires. Again.

Post by Alakablamo » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:36 pm

Quick note about tire widths, as the Toyo's aren't 14.6" wide when mounted on a 8.5" width rim. A tire is given a specific width based on the rim width that it is mounted on. For each 0.5" change in rim width (throughout the approved range), the tire width will change about 0.2".

The Toyo spec says:
37X13.50R17LT
8.5" - 11.0" rim width range.
37" x 14.6" when mounted on an 11" width rim.
If that tire is mounted on a 17" x 8.5" rim, then the width would be about 13.6".

The Cooper spec says:
37X12.50R17LT
8.5" - 11.0" rim width range.
37" x 13.1" when mounted on a 10" width rim.
If that tire is mounted on a 17" x 8.5" rim, then the width would be about 12.5".

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Re: Tires. Again.

Post by MSparks909 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:06 pm

Alakablamo wrote:Quick note about tire widths, as the Toyo's aren't 14.6" wide when mounted on a 8.5" width rim. A tire is given a specific width based on the rim width that it is mounted on. For each 0.5" change in rim width (throughout the approved range), the tire width will change about 0.2".

The Toyo spec says:
37X13.50R17LT
8.5" - 11.0" rim width range.
37" x 14.6" when mounted on an 11" width rim.
If that tire is mounted on a 17" x 8.5" rim, then the width would be about 13.6".

The Cooper spec says:
37X12.50R17LT
8.5" - 11.0" rim width range.
37" x 13.1" when mounted on a 10" width rim.
If that tire is mounted on a 17" x 8.5" rim, then the width would be about 12.5".
Thanks for clearing that up :rockon: Toyo's will still be a wide-ass tire to use. Think I'm going to personally go with the Cooper STT's. If I had a Cummins and towed above 10K frequently I'd opt for the Toyo's.
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Re: Tires. Again.

Post by SilverWagon05 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:45 pm

I think I'm about set on the Cooper STT's as well.
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Re: Tires. Again.

Post by Powerwagonmark » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:08 pm

Have you looked at the Pitbull Rockers? I have had them on for a while now and I really like them and so far there wearing well and not as rough as I thought. Amazing in rocks and mud take a look at them before you buy the Coopers.
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Re: Tires. Again.

Post by SilverWagon05 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:39 am

I actually did look at the PB Rocker Radials also. It was one of the first tires I started researching online. I did have a very difficult time actually finding their tires available anywhere though, especially in 37's. Also, I couldn't find much to go on about their on road performance. I thought I remembered reading somewhere about concerns with their road manners, especially after some wear. I was able to find some 35/12.50/17's online, but they were even more $$$ than all the 37's I've looked at. :jawdrop: I can't imagine what they want for 37's! :shock:
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Re: Tires. Again.

Post by Hilldweller » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:53 am

Hilldweller wrote:I'm still waiting on my new Toyo Open Country AT-2 "Xtreme" tires to come in. 285/75-17 size, 50,000 mile treadlife warranty.
It's supposed to be in between a regular AT and an MT...
Finally came in yesterday and were mounted last night. A little louder than the AT-1 version but that's to be expected with the "Xtreme" (bigger voids) version.
34s will have to do for a while (2 years, I hope...)

Hit a little dirt on the way home but nothing to test them.

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Post by hunter2500pw » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:46 am

i was in this same position. Im not impressed with bfg myself. Personally i had a set of 35“ mt in the old tread patern that pulled ok but when the tires had about 4k miles on them i got a cut in the sidewall about 3“ long. This happend on a rock in a red clay trail that i had been running for years with no issue before. After i changed the tire i inspected the cut and i was disapointed in the sidewall thickness and rigidness. It felt like a street tire, just with a mt tread on it. But like i said that was old style mt. Personaly the new bfg mt tread looks close together so if the old patern was just “ok“, i dont think the new one would be as good.
In the close future ill be putting 6“ on my pw with 37“ toyo mts. I was worried to about the width of them to untill i saw the white pw on the carli website running them. They look great, have good reviews off road and i can expect 30k plus miles. Ill take the stiffness over weak sidewalls.
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Post by Glenn5995 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:24 pm

Hilldweller wrote:
Hilldweller wrote:I'm still waiting on my new Toyo Open Country AT-2 "Xtreme" tires to come in. 285/75-17 size, 50,000 mile treadlife warranty.
It's supposed to be in between a regular AT and an MT...
Finally came in yesterday and were mounted last night. A little louder than the AT-1 version but that's to be expected with the "Xtreme" (bigger voids) version.
34s will have to do for a while (2 years, I hope...)

Hit a little dirt on the way home but nothing to test them.

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Thanks for the pics and keep us updated on your impression of them. The Toyo Open Country AT-2 LT285/75R17 will most likely be my next tire selection, probably next spring, so I will be watching for any experiences you have with them.
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Post by MSparks909 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:32 am

Hilldweller wrote:
Hilldweller wrote:I'm still waiting on my new Toyo Open Country AT-2 "Xtreme" tires to come in. 285/75-17 size, 50,000 mile treadlife warranty.
It's supposed to be in between a regular AT and an MT...
Finally came in yesterday and were mounted last night. A little louder than the AT-1 version but that's to be expected with the "Xtreme" (bigger voids) version.
34s will have to do for a while (2 years, I hope...)

Hit a little dirt on the way home but nothing to test them.

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Have any close up pics of the tread?
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Post by Glenn5995 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:35 am

MSparks909 wrote:Have any close up pics of the tread?
Until he posts pics of the tread, here is the link with photos from the Toyo site:

http://toyotires.com/tires/pattern/open ... rain-tires
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Post by Hilldweller » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:51 am

MSparks909 wrote:Have any close up pics of the tread?
Tread is deeper on the "Xtreme" and voids are larger.

Going out now to some steep/rocky/cruddy stuff and give them a try.

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Post by Hilldweller » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:23 pm

Well, I like'em. Didn't spin a tire, didn't need to lock, mud cleaned out xtreeemly well (didn't find liquid clay to try).
Better than I expected, actually.

Thank goodness I scrubbed off the tire shine that the Discount Tire guys sprayed on. Even worse than chrome...

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Post by hunter2500pw » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:26 pm

nice pic man. The dog looks proud of the truck too. 8-)
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Post by Hilldweller » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:03 am

hunter2500pw wrote:nice pic man. The dog looks proud of the truck too. 8-)
She was tracking a couple of hikers that were hiking to the Appalachian Trail. Gave them a decent scare.
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Post by Original_Junior » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:13 am

PWRider wrote:Any opinion on Goodyear Duratrac?
Aside of disappeared 37" size are Procomp Xtreme MT ok in winter snow/ice?
I have had them for a few years and I like them. Great balance between a MT and an AT. Great in snow and ice to boot. Here are some photos so you can get a better idea on how far they stick out, tread depth, lokks, etc.
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Post by shellriv » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:22 am

running duratracs on the PW and the diesel lovin them !!
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Post by myoung84 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:35 am

Hilldweller, you still liking the Toyo's? I have a set on the way...
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Post by PWRider » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:11 pm

Original_Junior wrote:
PWRider wrote:Any opinion on Goodyear Duratrac?
Aside of disappeared 37" size are Procomp Xtreme MT ok in winter snow/ice?
I have had them for a few years and I like them. Great balance between a MT and an AT. Great in snow and ice to boot. Here are some photos so you can get a better idea on how far they stick out, tread depth, lokks, etc.
Awesome thanks. I actually picked up a set already. 315s! Love them. Probably need set of Thuren or Carli control arms. I don't like that rubbing. Put them to test recently. Maiden trip to Nevada couple weeks ago. Next day after install. No issues to report even miliage was decent rolled in back home with almost 1400 miles on meter and 14 mpg. Adjusted 5% for tire size it's pretty decent 14.7 average including at least 200 miles off pavement.
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Post by Original_Junior » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:47 pm

As you can see, I am running these on H2 wheels I picked up for a good price a few years ago. The offset is just enough that I do not rub anything, even while flexing.
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Post by PWRider » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:21 pm

I was thinking of those but considering price of wheels plus some labor to re-bore them. May not be that much less than getting set of $700 control arms. Later might give some other advantages of better flex and maybe fitting low clearance type snow chains. Not sure on later though.
On big difference from Toyo ATs I've had before was ride on gravel. Toyo's were really harsh, even aired down. Duratracks ride like a Cadillac. Much more mushy on the hwy though.
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Post by Hilldweller » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:22 pm

myoung84 wrote:Hilldweller, you still liking the Toyo's? I have a set on the way...
the new ones are only 3 days old... :lol:
But $224 for 34s that work in mud and have a 50,000 mile treadlife warranty? What's not to like?
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Post by myoung84 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:27 pm

That's what I'm thinking! I paid $1,124 shipped for 5 tires. I should be able to sell the like-new Nitto Trail Grapplers with less than 4k miles for at least $1200 locally...
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Post by Ducky's Dad » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:34 pm

I have had them for a few years and I like them. Great balance between a MT and an AT. Great in snow and ice to boot. Here are some photos so you can get a better idea on how far they stick out, tread depth, lokks, etc.
OJ, are those 35s or 37s?

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