Bent axle

2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Wed May 11, 2016 3:21 pm

azracer wrote:The diesel axle has a different pinion angle and no hole for the locker connector to be mounted to. I would not go that route.

that's an easy fix seriously ^^ the Thuren arms have a bit of caster built into them I would imagine anyways you don't hear those guys complaining about pinion angle and driveshaft vibes at 3" of lift. He will be fine. Like I said can probably match it up with the caddied adjustements anyways. The hole for the locker is easily fixed I am pretty sure it's a round hole and just a tapped hole for he hold down bolt. So hard to find a p.wagon axle in the later years like ours it's crazy....

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2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Wed May 11, 2016 3:23 pm

I would imagine it is identical the 12' and the 10. Only issue we ran into with kens was the 09 had Way smaller knuckles and hubs etc. if you need me to take any reference measurements from mine I can ! Just hard wire that shit anyways lol *sound of toggle switches switching*

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FirerescuePW · Post by **FirerescuePW** » Wed May 11, 2016 4:22 pm

The caster built into the Thuren arms notwithstanding, the problem is the relationship between pinion angle and caster, not just the pinion angle. If you set one, the other will be out of spec, and vice versa. Now, if it truly is an issue, how bad would it be to turn the tubes on a diesel axle? We seem to be able to knock the spot welds loose just driving them, why can't you turn the tubes to mimic the PW setup?

Colibri · Post by **Colibri** » Wed May 11, 2016 4:31 pm

It's important to note that the steering knuckles and brakes and wheel bearings are different throughout the years, but if you buy an axle from your year range you'll be golden.
I believe it's as follows
03-08
09
10-12
From there I don't know more

There are a ton of lifted diesels out there, the pinion and caster angles aren't effected enough at 3" for it to be problematic

2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Wed May 11, 2016 5:46 pm

FirerescuePW wrote:The caster built into the Thuren arms notwithstanding, the problem is the relationship between pinion angle and caster, not just the pinion angle. If you set one, the other will be out of spec, and vice versa. Now, if it truly is an issue, how bad would it be to turn the tubes on a diesel axle? We seem to be able to knock the spot welds loose just driving them, why can't you turn the tubes to mimic the PW setup?

actually the arms being forward 1/2" more than factory will change the caster as is- I believe more positive naturally. So his casters totally different anywYs turning his pinion angle up with caster still won't negatively affect anything. If anything give him a bit more high speed turning stability lol

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FirerescuePW · Post by **FirerescuePW** » Wed May 11, 2016 6:30 pm

Oh, yeah, he needs that.
I wasn't sure at what amount of lift you need to worry about the angle. But you are right, there are plenty of trucks out there that are lifted with factory axles.

Will- pull your locker plug or cover and see if the hole is round. If it is, it opens up your supply chain by quite a bit. Easy enought to drill a hole.

2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Wed May 11, 2016 6:49 pm

X2 ^^^ I remember seeing kens axles all torn down and thinking oooo that's way easier
To
Make then I figured lol

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nts007 · Post by **nts007** » Thu May 12, 2016 2:36 am

Will wrote:
Colibri wrote:Not sure of any way to accurately measure the c's while the axle is still under the truck. Call the nearest dealership parts department with your vin number and get accurate part numbers for bare housing and complete axle then order for way less online. If you do a Thuren or Carli truss you can weld both on a complete assembly even with the axle in the truck. If you want one like mine it needs to be a bare housing and drop shipped to creative fab in California. Haha I know how it goes, breaking=upgrade time! Shit, mopar discontinued the housing for my 09, it took me months to find an axle. Good luck with whatever you decide to do man!
Well, I'm running into dead ends. The parts numbers are floating around on the web but no parts, called the dealer with my VIN and they said the assembly is no longer available. A housing for a newer, say 2012 or 2013 runs $1600 and he couldn't confirm fitment and couldn't find any in stock anywhere in their database and who knows when they will get one. I even looked into having Dynatrac build a new one but that would be mucho dinero and I would have to send them my housing to cut off the ends, coil buckets, control arm brackets etc... to reweld to new assembly.

So...who wants to buy this mother fucker? About another week of this bullshit and it will be traded in and I'll call on yall for some stock parts and strip the goodies out of it before it goes.

So. Uh. I'll buy it as is. Dents and all. And I'm not worried about the bent axle. No problem for me. You can even keep tires. And topper. But I won't offer many pesos as it would be such a long haul. Be cheaper for you to buy my spare axle and ship it to you.

Reloaderguy · Post by **Reloaderguy** » Thu May 12, 2016 8:47 am

Dennis Dillon has Laramie PW'S $13.5k off sticker...just sayin.

2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Thu May 12, 2016 8:50 am

Your spare won't work neil^^^ his knuckles are way bigger tHan the 09 that you have (the fourth gen has bigger knuckles because their u joint sizes all went up because the cummins got more power and the gross vehicle weights wen up ) I wouldn't buy a new one.... Lol our year range trucks are awsome right now - 5.7 at it's prime with good reliability and decent mileage- shit ton of NOW proven drivetrain upgrades suspension upgrades and visual upgrades. And most of the recalls on the fourth gens are done already. I dunno just my 2 cents I like leafs lol that being said it's cheap as he'll to lift a 4.5 gen radius arm truck...

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nts007 · Post by **nts007** » Thu May 12, 2016 9:49 am

2wagons1driveway wrote:Your spare won't work neil^^^ his knuckles are way bigger tHan the 09 that you have (the fourth gen has bigger knuckles because their u joint sizes all went up because the cummins got more power and the gross vehicle weights wen up ) I wouldn't buy a new one.... Lol our year range trucks are awsome right now - 5.7 at it's prime with good reliability and decent mileage- shit ton of NOW proven drivetrain upgrades suspension upgrades and visual upgrades. And most of the recalls on the fourth gens are done already. I dunno just my 2 cents I like leafs lol that being said it's cheap as he'll to lift a 4.5 gen radius arm truck...

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Oh yee lee of little faith. I could make it work. Remember I have -complete- axle assembly. I just need to re gear hook up control arms track bar brake lines and driveshaft. I could put wheels on it were it sits lol. I can make it work. Even will might be able to.

Post by **Pit Slave** » Thu May 12, 2016 10:12 am

nts007 wrote:
2wagons1driveway wrote:Your spare won't work neil^^^ his knuckles are way bigger tHan the 09 that you have (the fourth gen has bigger knuckles because their u joint sizes all went up because the cummins got more power and the gross vehicle weights wen up ) I wouldn't buy a new one.... Lol our year range trucks are awsome right now - 5.7 at it's prime with good reliability and decent mileage- shit ton of NOW proven drivetrain upgrades suspension upgrades and visual upgrades. And most of the recalls on the fourth gens are done already. I dunno just my 2 cents I like leafs lol that being said it's cheap as he'll to lift a 4.5 gen radius arm truck...

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Oh yee lee of little faith. I could make it work. Remember I have -complete- axle assembly. I just need to re gear hook up control arms track bar brake lines and driveshaft. I could put wheels on it were it sits lol. I can make it work. Even will might be able to.

It's just going to have different lug nuts on the front.

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Reloaderguy · Post by **Reloaderguy** » Thu May 12, 2016 10:16 am

2wagons1driveway wrote:Your spare won't work neil^^^ his knuckles are way bigger tHan the 09 that you have (the fourth gen has bigger knuckles because their u joint sizes all went up because the cummins got more power and the gross vehicle weights wen up ) I wouldn't buy a new one.... Lol our year range trucks are awsome right now - 5.7 at it's prime with good reliability and decent mileage- shit ton of NOW proven drivetrain upgrades suspension upgrades and visual upgrades. And most of the recalls on the fourth gens are done already. I dunno just my 2 cents I like leafs lol that being said it's cheap as he'll to lift a 4.5 gen radius arm truck...

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You make some good points. If you want to build a 700hp monster with Aliens the 4.0gen is a better platform right now. If you don't want to go too extreme 4.5gen is...well...new with better options.

That said, I think within the next 12 months the 4.5gen gas aftermarket will open up. All of the mass production companies like Super Lift and BDS already offer something.

Will · Post by **Will** » Thu May 12, 2016 10:28 am

I have learned the AAM 925 with Tru-Lock has a different "pumpkin" than the standard 925 with out the locker. The pumpkin is cast differently, the pinion side is bigger (not saying the pinion itself is bigger) and the locker has an ear cast for the wiring pin to enter the pumpkin. The bracket is then bolted to that ear on the pumpkin. Not as simple as drilling two holes and tapping one. Best I can tell, it has to be a Power Wagon axle housing in order to use the factory e-locking system. 2010 and up uses larger u joints in the axles. The tubes aren't welded in, they are pressed and then riveted in place, the rivet shears when it gets bent. I'm wondering if I can strip this one down, drill out the rivets, pull the tubes out, see what's going on and put them back in straight, then tig weld them in. Or just sell the bitch for $22K ...

2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Thu May 12, 2016 10:35 am

Will wrote:I have learned the AAM 925 with Tru-Lock has a different "pumpkin" than the standard 925 with out the locker. The pumpkin is cast differently, the pinion side is bigger (not saying the pinion itself is bigger) and the locker has an ear cast for the wiring pin to enter the pumpkin. The bracket is then bolted to that ear on the pumpkin. Not as simple as drilling two holes and tapping one. Best I can tell, it has to be a Power Wagon axle housing in order to use the factory e-locking system. 2010 and up uses larger u joints in the axles. The tubes aren't welded in, they are pressed and then riveted in place, the rivet shears when it gets bent. I'm wondering if I can strip this one down, drill out the rivets, pull the tubes out, see what's going on and put them back in straight, then tig weld them in. Or just sell the bitch for $22K ...

ken took his axle assembly to a place that straightened it and basically recut the tubes etc and re installed re plug welded and tacked the outside in four spots. The issue afterwards was I suspect they re installed his gears and shit without resetting up the gears and something ended up coming apart inside never did figure out what because he ditched it...

Up to you man I wouldn't even tell the dealer about the bend I would just trade it in- but first install your factory control arms if your gunna go that route. I mean you can put 37's directly on the radius arm trucks...

After all you "didn't think it was bent" also take off your kings etc. and sell to Morgan. Lol and get a new set on order ASAP for your new truck. Id leave track bar in it however... Well up to you.

There is a guy selling complete fourth gen suspension on here for 200$ in the classified section also!!

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2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Thu May 12, 2016 10:36 am

http://forum.powerwagonregistry.org/vie ... php?t=3352

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Will · Post by **Will** » Thu May 12, 2016 10:49 am

Thanks, yeah, unfortunately I'm not a pack rat and let all the factory stuff go many moons ago. I am definitely going to pull the shocks and control arms and replace them with factory (if I go that route)
I'll know more next week, get me another ride and then start tearing it down just to see. If I open it up and everything looks fine, locker works, axle splines look good, etc... I have a couple of ideas before I drop the money to replace it. I found a 2012 PW front assembly but its in a burned/totaled truck. I'm keeping a real close eye on the front tires to see how they are wearing and will be on an alignment rack this afternoon to get actual measurements. If everything looks good, I am going to either repair it or completely fuck it up. haha

Colibri · Post by **Colibri** » Thu May 12, 2016 10:58 am

Good luck with whatever route you decide on will. Just throwing this out there, ARB. You could pick up a correct year diesel axle and put an air locker up front. Also the stock connector axle bulkhead isn't needed. You can drill a small hole to pass the wires through and crimp a new connector on very easily. If you can't find a donor power wagon axle you can pretty easily make a more common axle work, and for a lot less money than a new truck lol. Your truck is paid for right? I'd hang on to it like it was solid gold.

2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Thu May 12, 2016 11:08 am

That's an idea to just a pricey one ^^^ lol a new axle assembly plus an arb probably puts him close to a new housing from dodge!

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Mr.Smith · Post by **Mr.Smith** » Thu May 12, 2016 11:16 am

Fully built custom Curries, only about half as much as you trucks value...

Colibri · Post by **Colibri** » Thu May 12, 2016 11:27 am

Hahaha that's the spirit^^^

Will · Post by **Will** » Thu May 12, 2016 11:32 am

They don't do Dodge, would be totally custom, Dynatrac quoted $8500....

2wagons1driveway · Post by **2wagons1driveway** » Thu May 12, 2016 12:36 pm

Ahhh fack!!! Lol that's nuts!!! Isn't currie like a 9 month wait to?

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Will · Post by **Will** » Thu May 12, 2016 2:54 pm

Bout to find out how bad it's out.

Will · Post by **Will** » Thu May 12, 2016 3:16 pm

Got a big clean spot on the rear axle from both factory bump stops, will need Boogies back there also.

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