Bilstein 5100, or Fox 2.0 Shocks?

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Post by azracer » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:09 pm

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2wagons1driveway wrote:^x2 have you talked to don Thuren yet juday? He will steer u in the right direction and he's always open for questioning!


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I sent an email off to Aaron, at Thuren. Gave me the options of the Overland shocks, the Fox 2.0 w/ reservoir and the KINGs. He said the Fox 2.0 would work best with the Power Wagon's abilities. Problem for me is, they're $1,100.... :doh:

I just don't know, yet. Buying shocks is about as hard as buying tires for me. I'm going to research the hell out of them and eventually just say "F$*# it" and buy a set.
I can sympathize, it was a very tough decision for me too!

I think the three things making him recommend the Fox over the Overland shock is the piston diameter, fade resistance and 10" travel for our 3"+- lift as opposed to 9" travel or less for other generic shocks.

I say get the best you can afford and Thuren is the way to go. Definitely Thuren for sure when not doing the Baja thing. He does the Baja thing very well too I might add! You need to be sure you are honest with yourself about what you want to do with your truck. Then carefully communicate that with Don or Arron. I Think for what most folks do a properly tuned Fox 2.0 will do everything one could need, short of being a speed demon in the rough. Even then you sure can haul ass when compared to the crappy OEM Bilsteins. The overland shocks are a good choice too. Custom valving is a must on our trucks to control those heavy axles.

One can sure see the amount of control the Fox 2.0 with reservoirs provides.

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Re: Bilstein 5100, or Fox 2.0 Shocks?

Post by 2wagons1driveway » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:26 pm

Az's said it! Either way your
Shock decisions are better then a lot of guys would even be considering! I hear a lot of good things about the 5100's ! Anything Carli tuned has got daily driver in mind id imagine their going to help a lot with sway and shy away from bottoming a bit less then stock. Coder I believe did I good review on them!


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Post by 2011RPW » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:42 pm

I really like my Overlands. They definitely feel better than the stock shocks.
I put them on my girlfriends 07 2500 (cummins) and they made a big difference on her truck as well.
I highly recommend them if you prefer a lower price shock.
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Post by TwinStick » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:04 am

I actually put 4 Rancho 9000XL's on my 2004 Ram 2500 QC 4x4 about 5 months before i traded it in on the PW. For being a "cheap shock", I really liked them. The 9 position adjuster really made a difference. I left the fronts at 4. The rears were at 4 when not towing my camper & at 9 when i was. I can not report on longevity as i only had them on 5 months, nor can i comment on how they would hold up in the salt of NY winters. I suspect not well.

Just know: they are not even in the same league as Thuren or Carli.

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Post by 2wagons1driveway » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:10 am

2011RPW wrote:I really like my Overlands. They definitely feel better than the stock shocks.
I put them on my girlfriends 07 2500 (cummins) and they made a big difference on her truck as well.
I highly recommend them if you prefer a lower price shock.
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Damn good start! Might start a shock addiction though :/...slippery slope into triple bypasses and 3.5" diameter kings lol


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Post by chromedragon » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:05 pm

TwinStick wrote:I actually put 4 Rancho 9000XL's on my 2004 Ram 2500 QC 4x4 about 5 months before i traded it in on the PW. For being a "cheap shock", I really liked them. The 9 position adjuster really made a difference. I left the fronts at 4. The rears were at 4 when not towing my camper & at 9 when i was. I can not report on longevity as i only had them on 5 months, nor can i comment on how they would hold up in the salt of NY winters. I suspect not well.

Just know: they are not even in the same league as Thuren or Carli.
Thanks for the info TwinStick ill keep this in mind once i get my Ranchos installed in April.
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Just because this is ridiculous
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Post by Juday » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:27 pm

WOW! That would be just a LITTLE overkill for me.... :lol:
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Juday wrote:WOW! That would be just a LITTLE overkill for me.... :lol:
I think it's overkill unless your Bigfoot jumping that 737 a few years ago lmao


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Post by Juday » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:28 pm

More than likely, I'll end up with the Bilstein 5100's from George at 8LugTruckGear. For around $350, I think I'll give them a try. I'm just not nuts about dropping a thousand (or more) on shocks for a truck that doesn't see desert like terrain at high speeds. I travel to work, tow the Jeep/bassboat/atvs and travel on construction sites. I don't think those scenarios warrant the expensive shocks....

Another question, what are your thoughts on the 5100 series steering stabilizers? Worth the money?
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Post by 2wagons1driveway » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:44 am

I like my Carli stainless one the 7100. My buddy has the 5100 with debris boot and he likes it. That's one of those things unless your blasting through the desert you may not notice to much either! Glad you made a decision! Bilsteins rock


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Post by RAM4ROKS » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:59 pm

2wagons1driveway wrote:Ya I hear ya. A good bump stop is key to getting a lot more performance from your rig. I do like my bilstein 9100/9300's they were expensive but appear very serviceable and their materials are good. They ride firmer at low speeds until I ditched my swaybar and once they heat up to operating temps they honestly ride much better even just krawlin. The big benifit for the 2.65's were the ability to mount the reservoir out of harms way for the rears. Unlike kings. I would save some money on shocks and put some good front bumps on your truck at the same time. Something for the "o shit" moments. I guess over lands are out of the question?


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DANG, now I wish I had gone 2.65s! I ripped the reservoirs off my 2.5 Kings since they cannot be mounted in a protected position without some cutting. I got them back MONTHS ago from Carli repairing them and still haven't mounted them up! Shoot, wish I had realized that and gone 2.65s! Random question for you (sorry for the hi-jack!)- did you happen to notice- how much longer than your 2.65s than your stock shocks? My 2.5s were actually shorter unmounted than my stock Power Wagon shocks. (granted, I have Carli's 3" lift, not near as high as you are running!)

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Bilstein 5100s- on a Grand Cherokee (4.5" lift, 33" mud tires, V-8, rear Aussie locker, etc), LOVED them on it!!! But, cannot comment on how they do on a heavy rig.
Bilstein 5160s- on a K-5 Jimmy (a bit more comparable weight, super duty front shock towers, custom inboard shock mount crossmember in the rear, 3" lift, 37" tires, Dana 60 (ARB, 4.56), 14 bolt (Detroit, 4.56), 350TBI, SM465, 203/205 triple sticked doubler, etc) LOVED them on that rig!
Fox (IIRC 2.0s)- JK 4 door (3.5" Rock Crawler X factor mid arm, TONS of Poison Spyder stuff, 35s (would have been 37s BUT, couldn't pass up the screaming deal I got on the 35s) did NOT love them at first (their was a mix up and they came with the wrong valving, rode like a dump truck) BUT, it rode nice and smooth after having a local shop revalve them with his own custom JK tune. Definitely showed what a difference valving can make!

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Post by 2wagons1driveway » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:12 am

The 2.65's let the bds coils fall out of the coil bucket almost 3" but compared to factory I honestly think they have onlyb2-3" more travel. Their a 12" stroke shock on the 6" Carli lift front and rear :) hope that helps?!


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Post by 06ryan27 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:14 am

Juday wrote:More than likely, I'll end up with the Bilstein 5100's from George at 8LugTruckGear. For around $350, I think I'll give them a try. I'm just not nuts about dropping a thousand (or more) on shocks for a truck that doesn't see desert like terrain at high speeds. I travel to work, tow the Jeep/bassboat/atvs and travel on construction sites. I don't think those scenarios warrant the expensive shocks....

Another question, what are your thoughts on the 5100 series steering stabilizers? Worth the money?

FYI I just ordered a set of 5100's, to the door from 4wheelparts $292

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Post by azracer » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:39 am

RAM4ROKS wrote:
2wagons1driveway wrote:Ya I hear ya. A good bump stop is key to getting a lot more performance from your rig. I do like my bilstein 9100/9300's they were expensive but appear very serviceable and their materials are good. They ride firmer at low speeds until I ditched my swaybar and once they heat up to operating temps they honestly ride much better even just krawlin. The big benifit for the 2.65's were the ability to mount the reservoir out of harms way for the rears. Unlike kings. I would save some money on shocks and put some good front bumps on your truck at the same time. Something for the "o shit" moments. I guess over lands are out of the question?


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DANG, now I wish I had gone 2.65s! I ripped the reservoirs off my 2.5 Kings since they cannot be mounted in a protected position without some cutting. I got them back MONTHS ago from Carli repairing them and still haven't mounted them up! Shoot, wish I had realized that and gone 2.65s! Random question for you (sorry for the hi-jack!)- did you happen to notice- how much longer than your 2.65s than your stock shocks? My 2.5s were actually shorter unmounted than my stock Power Wagon shocks. (granted, I have Carli's 3" lift, not near as high as you are running!)

I have run:
Bilstein 5100s- on a Grand Cherokee (4.5" lift, 33" mud tires, V-8, rear Aussie locker, etc), LOVED them on it!!! But, cannot comment on how they do on a heavy rig.
Bilstein 5160s- on a K-5 Jimmy (a bit more comparable weight, super duty front shock towers, custom inboard shock mount crossmember in the rear, 3" lift, 37" tires, Dana 60 (ARB, 4.56), 14 bolt (Detroit, 4.56), 350TBI, SM465, 203/205 triple sticked doubler, etc) LOVED them on that rig!
Fox (IIRC 2.0s)- JK 4 door (3.5" Rock Crawler X factor mid arm, TONS of Poison Spyder stuff, 35s (would have been 37s BUT, couldn't pass up the screaming deal I got on the 35s) did NOT love them at first (their was a mix up and they came with the wrong valving, rode like a dump truck) BUT, it rode nice and smooth after having a local shop revalve them with his own custom JK tune. Definitely showed what a difference valving can make!
The remote reservoir is an option on the King shock. You just need to request it and specify the hose length. The bypass shock is a bit higher mount. If I did it again I would do remote mounting.
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Re: Bilstein 5100, or Fox 2.0 Shocks?

Post by Juday » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:59 am

06ryan27 wrote:
Juday wrote:More than likely, I'll end up with the Bilstein 5100's from George at 8LugTruckGear. For around $350, I think I'll give them a try. I'm just not nuts about dropping a thousand (or more) on shocks for a truck that doesn't see desert like terrain at high speeds. I travel to work, tow the Jeep/bassboat/atvs and travel on construction sites. I don't think those scenarios warrant the expensive shocks....

Another question, what are your thoughts on the 5100 series steering stabilizers? Worth the money?

FYI I just ordered a set of 5100's, to the door from 4wheelparts $292
Let me know how you like them once they're installed. I still haven't pulled the trigger on this, yet.
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Post by 2wagons1driveway » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:11 am

AZ I know I've been talking with don about a remote reservoir set of 2.5's for the rear maybe bypasses if I can actually out do these 2.65's and a set of 3.0's for the front. Along with lt leafs ofcourse. I'm wondering if the 2.5' bypasses could mount up like the 2.65's given their smaller diameter body! All I will ever need is a 2.5" shock for the rear so why not ! Anyone know how much travel the 5100's have ?


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Juday wrote:
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Juday wrote:More than likely, I'll end up with the Bilstein 5100's from George at 8LugTruckGear. For around $350, I think I'll give them a try. I'm just not nuts about dropping a thousand (or more) on shocks for a truck that doesn't see desert like terrain at high speeds. I travel to work, tow the Jeep/bassboat/atvs and travel on construction sites. I don't think those scenarios warrant the expensive shocks....

Another question, what are your thoughts on the 5100 series steering stabilizers? Worth the money?

FYI I just ordered a set of 5100's, to the door from 4wheelparts $292
Let me know how you like them once they're installed. I still haven't pulled the trigger on this, yet.
Just going by what you are describing you want, I think the Thuren white body shocks are the best choice. The 5100 are stiff (especially when cold). If you want a Cadillac ride and don't bomb the trails then it is the Thuren white body Overland shocks you want for sure. If you kinda have heavy hits but only on rare occasions then adding the Boogy bumps will round out your ride. Otherwise the Thuren white body shocks are all you need. Shock valving is everything when trying to tune your ride for your specific needs!

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If you go in filthymotorsports.com you can custom order Kings. (With custom hose lengths too) I go on there in my spare time and build/price shocks I can't afford lol
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2011RPW wrote:If you go in filthymotorsports.com you can custom order Kings. (With custom hose lengths too) I go on there in my spare time and build/price shocks I can't afford lol
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Post by Cactus Red » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:26 am

I've been in contact with Fox on the standard Fox 2.0, both Res and Smooth Body. (PN 985-24-019 front and 985-24-020 rear for the non-reservoir, and PN 985-24-021front and 985-24-022 rear w/ reservoir)

The primary question I had was on valving. In both shocks they don't quantify valving like Bilstien does (like 285/70), that's not how they do it. I also gave them some specifics on my truck like curb weight, the rear Firestone/Daystar bag combo, and weight distribution. So, all stock Dodge 2500 Fox Shox are valved for the heavier diesel from the start. That may not be a bad thing for our trucks - we are heavier up front than a standard 2500.
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Thanks for sharing..great info

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The nose weight of a p.wagon is very close to a diesel only 400lbs off....
I guess that's alit but you add an aftermarket bumper and bam your like 200lbs off now. Plus the winch is further forward giving you more leverage over the shocks...:) this is for sure for the 4th gen don't know how wild the difference is with the 3rd gens
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Post by Juday » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:42 am

Hmmmm, I'm still torn on which way to go. Fox, or 5100? I think it's going to come to the point where I just flip a coin and choose......
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315/70R17 Goodyear Wrangler MTR w/ Kevlar | Carli Front Differential Cover | Aluminess Front Bumper | Aluminess Rock Sliders | PIAA 540 Fog Lights | 1" Daystar Lift | Thuren High Clearance Control Arms | Thuren Track Bar


Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference

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