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Anyone have UTVs?

Post by MoparToYou » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:36 pm

Anyone own UTVs? They work great if you want to explore at a little faster pace. A friend and I did some exploring in southeast NV yesterday, and found this cabin built in 1942.
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There were two cabins, on the eastern foothills of the Mormon Mountains. The concrete floors had a date scratched in them "June 6, 1942". These cabins are truly in the middle of nowhere, there is nothing for 40 miles, no water, no nothing. Kind of makes you wonder who lived there, and why.

The UTV does a good job of covering rough ground in a hurry. Even just cruising along at a slow pace means you're going 30 mph, and 60 mph in the sand washes is still pretty comfortable. 18" of suspension travel with Fox internal bypass shocks sure makes for a cushy ride.

What UTVs do you guys have? Lets see some pictures of them, and your exploring trips.
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Post by Snowsled » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:46 am

I personally despise such machines. They are moving rapidly towards causing further land use issues around here. The "going fast" part, is the problem. They are causing substantial trail decay around here because they all think it is a race now on the jeep roads. Noisy, dusty and just plain unnecessary. I get it if you have a private ranch but for normal recreation... I can't wait for that fad to pass. I find the truck is a MUCH better way to see the mountains than one of those ridiculous buzz bombs.

I tried out a clients Commander XT 1000. I find it to be gutless at altitude and honestly, no more comfortable to operate on rough roads than the Power Wagon.

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Post by Will » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:02 pm

I looked strongly at getting the Kawasaki Mule PRO (the new one) and talked myself out it. Spend half that on a decent Jeep Scrambler and fix it up and it's way better, stronger, street legal, quiet. Just could not wrap my head around the price of a UTV when you can have an actual vehicle and a good one for less. The Scrambler is only 4" wider so clearance is a none issue.
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Post by Snowsled » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:42 pm

That is what I have always thought. That machine behind my truck was well over $20k by the time it was accessorized. Then you need to trailer, which causes back tracking issues or multiple tow vehicles required. No thanks... When it rains or it is dusty, I roll up the windows. When I get to the highway, I keep right on driving, stopping long enough to switch it out of low.

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Post by azracer » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:19 pm

I looked at some UTVs and just can't see the expense and single purpose use.

I got an older 2001 Polaris 425 ATV and fixed it enough to use it as a work mule. I hauled eleven 85# bags of cement at a time on the front and rear racks up to the top of a hill where we needed it to install our solar panels. It was on a walk path up about 300' behind the house and 80' up to the top of the hill. Would have been miserable doing it by hand one bag at a time. Needed 250 bags moved up there and that would have killed me doing it by hand one bag at a time. As it was just loading and unloading was too much! I see the purpose of an ATV with a small footprint, high HP to weight ratio and the ability to shift your weight around to control traction and tipping.

Just can't justify a UTV for my needs. I may get a newer ATV with PS and 2up capability but I just don't have the time to use it or the money to buy one at the moment.
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Post by Will » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:25 pm

I agree with the small foot print of an ATV but if you gotta step up to the size of a UTV, especially a 3 wide seat!!?? Nope, sticking with the actual vehicles.
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Post by azracer » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:06 am

Your just not going to get this job done with a UTV.
The PW will not go up that narrow steep foot trail.
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Post by azracer » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:17 am

I thought about one of these but the Quad ATV I got was way less cost.

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Post by Snowsled » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:48 am

azracer wrote:Your just not going to get this job done with a UTV.
The PW will not go up that narrow steep foot trail.

I have yet to find a hill and atv could climb that the PW couldn't.... Too narrow, maybe, too steep, no way.

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Post by MoparToYou » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:22 pm

I think you guys are trying to use a UTV differently than I am. I come from a desert racing background. I started exploring the desert on dirt bikes in 1974, and started desert racing in 1981. I've desert raced several dirt bike classes, ATV classes, and vehicle classes in the last 35 years. My most recent desert race was an AMA National Hare & Hound six months ago. UTVs are dirt cheap for a entry level vehicle for desert racing, or exploring the desert in a comfortable and capable vehicle. I entered the UTV in the lead photo of this thread in the Hare & Hound race earlier this year in completely stock form, not one penny spent on modifications, and finished in the top half of a 23 UTV field. Not bad for an old guy that was just out there to have fun. I have spent pretty much every weekend in the last 35 years exploring the mountains and deserts of the southwest USA. I've used dirt bikes, ATVs, Jeeps, and trucks, and now use UTVs a good part of the time. They're great fun, and I'm not worried too much about other people complaining about dust or noise. It is unusual to see even one other vehicle in a day spent exploring. We didn't see any on the day the picture above was taken.

I haven't tried the school bus version of UTV like snowsled did, because I've never had much interest in them. I also own an ATV, and use it for tighter terrain.
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Two too many wheels. 8-)

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Post by Will » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:30 am

Mule is right on!
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Post by Snowsled » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:18 am

Well, some of us just can't do bikes...LOL Lord knows I have tried several times to get into dirt bikes, probably would have if I started young but, I just fall off, and it hurts....

I am sure they(utvs) are fun in the desert. Me personally, I stay in the mountains as much as possible, the mountains with lots of green trees! For my venue, I just do not see the sense in them. You can legally drive a truck anywhere the utv is allowed to go and you can do it much more comfortably in the truck. I do not find any solace in eating dirt all day but if you like desert racing, I get it.

They are becoming a problem on our Jeep roads. There are hundreds of them on the trails here during any given summer day. They are noisy, they do make a ton of dust when speeding down the trails and they are causing damage to trails that I had not seen prior to their inception. I have to laugh when I see the operators all bundled up in those things. I supposed battling the weather must be part of the allure. When I get cold, or it starts to rain on trail, I roll up the windows and turn the heat on. I can even listen to music while I enjoy the trail ride without sharing it with everybody around me. For what I like to do, the truck makes a whole lot more sense to me.

When we really want to explore, we wait until winter and use the sleds. You can go 1000 times as many places on a sled as you can on a dirt bike or utv around here because you are not (yet) limited to the trail system. I understand it is different when you have a big open desert expanse. I would probably had bought a Raptor if the desert was my venue because I eat enough dirt at work, I am not interested in that for fun.

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Post by Colibri » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:21 am

Theres a guy I know that owns an offroad fab business out here, builds ultra4 cars and all kinds of other awesomeness, he recently built a utv for king of the hammers and said it blew his mind how capable it was and that it was for a fraction of the cost of a traditional off road vehicle that was comparable in performance. I'd like to own one, it'll just have to get in line behind some other things I need first lol
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I noticed the same thing Colibri. I've owned several built Jeeps in my life. I led one of the trails at the Easter Jeep Safari, in Moab, for 13 years. And I competed in Four Wheeler Magazine's Top Truck Challenge in one of my Jeeps back in '97, and finished second place that year. But after trying one of the pure sport UTVs with 18" of super soft plush suspension travel, I was surprised at how capable they are off road. Rock gardens that made my Jeep struggle could be crawled through easier with the UTV. They have so much suspension travel that they're like a giant spider in the rocks. Very impressive, and cheap compared to an equally capable Jeep (less than half the price).
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Post by azracer » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:47 pm

I don't disagree with the performance of an UTV... I'm just not at a point where I can sacrifice the narrow track and the ability to do tight turns for a high speed fun run. My PW will put most if not all raptors to shame so the go fast is already covered in my case. I needed a mule and I got one in a 4x4 atv.
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MoparToYou wrote:I think you guys are trying to use a UTV differently than I am. I come from a desert racing background. I started exploring the desert on dirt bikes in 1974, and started desert racing in 1981. I've desert raced several dirt bike classes, ATV classes, and vehicle classes in the last 35 years. My most recent desert race was an AMA National Hare & Hound six months ago. UTVs are dirt cheap for a entry level vehicle for desert racing, or exploring the desert in a comfortable and capable vehicle. I entered the UTV in the lead photo of this thread in the Hare & Hound race earlier this year in completely stock form, not one penny spent on modifications, and finished in the top half of a 23 UTV field. Not bad for an old guy that was just out there to have fun. I have spent pretty much every weekend in the last 35 years exploring the mountains and deserts of the southwest USA. I've used dirt bikes, ATVs, Jeeps, and trucks, and now use UTVs a good part of the time. They're great fun, and I'm not worried too much about other people complaining about dust or noise. It is unusual to see even one other vehicle in a day spent exploring. We didn't see any on the day the picture above was taken.

I haven't tried the school bus version of UTV like snowsled did, because I've never had much interest in them. I also own an ATV, and use it for tighter terrain.
I use a UTV the exact same way. Coming from a similar background, I've been exploring the desert from Ludlow to Death Valley since I could ride a motorcycle at 3 years old. I raced D37 for a bit and shifted into a 3000 car in MORE and BITD. Modern UTV's have come far and are capable of incredible things. They can get places that a 3/4 ton truck simply can not go, no matter how big the tires or how many lockers. Tight canyons in the desert require a light, nimble, and narrow vehicle that can take a beating. I occasionally take a Can-Am Commander 1000 out to the most remote places to explore. Often times I'm in search of a lost mine or "treasure" from an old story that requires covering a lot of ground. The idea is that the truck and trailer act as a base camp, while the UTV is a recon vehicle that can get anywhere at a quick pace. Same idea as a motorcycle, but with the ability to carry a passenger (usually my Blue Heeler, Enzo) along with an ice chest and tools. Not sure where you're all from, but dust in the Mojave Desert is something we're all used to. Even the railroad plants miles of trees to help prevent the rails from getting sandblasted by the natural wind. You don't know dust until you drop into a silt bed doing 90mph at Vegas to Reno and it pours over the hood like water right before the world goes black :jawdrop:
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Post by 2011TXPowerWagon » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:26 pm

Has anyone seen those 6x6 or 8x8 atv's? They look pretty cool and they can float.
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You mean Argos? Lots of guys have them in Alberta for hunting. They're slow but they're great for swampy muskeg
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Chromolykid wrote:I use a UTV the exact same way. Coming from a similar background, I've been exploring the desert from Ludlow to Death Valley since I could ride a motorcycle at 3 years old. I raced D37 for a bit and shifted into a 3000 car in MORE and BITD. Modern UTV's have come far and are capable of incredible things. They can get places that a 3/4 ton truck simply can not go, no matter how big the tires or how many lockers. Tight canyons in the desert require a light, nimble, and narrow vehicle that can take a beating. I occasionally take a Can-Am Commander 1000 out to the most remote places to explore. Often times I'm in search of a lost mine or "treasure" from an old story that requires covering a lot of ground. The idea is that the truck and trailer act as a base camp, while the UTV is a recon vehicle that can get anywhere at a quick pace. Same idea as a motorcycle, but with the ability to carry a passenger (usually my Blue Heeler, Enzo) along with an ice chest and tools. Not sure where you're all from, but dust in the Mojave Desert is something we're all used to. Even the railroad plants miles of trees to help prevent the rails from getting sandblasted by the natural wind. You don't know dust until you drop into a silt bed doing 90mph at Vegas to Reno and it pours over the hood like water right before the world goes black :jawdrop:
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