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4.88 vs 5.13

Post by Truckin Redneck » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:30 pm

So I am going to to be regearing soon. I have a 15 PW and am swapping to 37s. I tow a ton, three days a week on average. Located in montana I do have a little altitude to deal with, also interstate speed limit is 80MPH. I was wanting to talk to those who have swapped. What do you like? Would you have gone lower/higher? Let me know.
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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by ScubaSteve » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:51 pm

I have 5.13's in my 2016 on 37's and its just about perfect. Almost a tad too low. 4.88's and 37's basically put it back where it was with 4.10's and the stock 32/33's.

Since you tow a lot, the 5.13's will probably be the better bet. Cruising at 65mph puts me right around 2000rpm and 80mph is pushing about 2400, IIRC.

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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by Mule » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:05 am

whatever gearing a 2500 cummins has might work better... :P

Towing is why i'm looking at a cummins for the next go-round. (Keeping the PW though.)

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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by TankerZak » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:50 pm

I just had 5.13s installed. I'd agree with ScubaSteve. I haven't driven much... but it MIGHT be a tad low... or it's perfect. If you tow a lot or might someday go to 40s I'd do 5.13 for sure. If not I might waffle... but I'm pretty happy with 5.13s. But towing uphill in 2nd gear at 35 mph getting 2mpg was gettig old on 37s with 4.10s. This should fix that. I'm already spending a lot more time in 6th gear when driving.
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Post by jeep_boy02 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:45 pm

I'd be interested in hearing any 4G guys chime in. I'm considering 37s and wondering about towing with the 456s.

I know I don't want 513s but idk how noticable that small of a change would be.

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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by btsbarton » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:09 am

Mule wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:05 am
whatever gearing a 2500 cummins has might work better... :P

Towing is why i'm looking at a cummins for the next go-round. (Keeping the PW though.)
3.73s in 2500s with Cummins .
4.10s available option on 3500 Cummins.

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Post by RustyPW » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:26 pm

I want 5.13's. :drool: But it's not going to happen with the 10.5 rear. :box: I would have to swap to the 11.5. :cash:
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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by aheiser » Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:29 am

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I want 5.13's. :drool: But it's not going to happen with the 10.5 rear. :box: I would have to swap to the 11.5. :cash:
I hear you! I love my 2012 and want to keep it for a long time, but dang I wish I had 4.88s in it. I'm seriously thinking about looking into a 11.5 swap. Need to do some research. Obviously have a ton of bracketry on the 11.5 to cut off, mounts to weld on, etc. But hoping the the width is the same, and if it was a 11.5 PW axle, that the e-locker in it would plug right in and not make issues, etc. Wonder if anyone has done this and has documented any of it?
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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by RustyPW » Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:09 pm

It's very doable. Hard part would be finding a good PW 11.5 rear diff.
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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by ScubaSteve » Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:43 pm

aheiser wrote:
Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:29 am
RustyPW wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:26 pm
I want 5.13's. :drool: But it's not going to happen with the 10.5 rear. :box: I would have to swap to the 11.5. :cash:
I hear you! I love my 2012 and want to keep it for a long time, but dang I wish I had 4.88s in it. I'm seriously thinking about looking into a 11.5 swap. Need to do some research. Obviously have a ton of bracketry on the 11.5 to cut off, mounts to weld on, etc. But hoping the the width is the same, and if it was a 11.5 PW axle, that the e-locker in it would plug right in and not make issues, etc. Wonder if anyone has done this and has documented any of it?
You're better off just getting an 11.5 out of an older diesel or 3500 so you don't have to deal with all the 5 link rear end garbage. Probably get one out of those for cheaper, too. Of course you'll have to buy yourself another diff, but the factory Tracrite with locker is available.

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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by Luke Duke » Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:33 am

Can you guys give me the part #'s for the 2014+ axles? Everything I've found is 2013 and down. I think 4.88 would be ideal but 37s would be a nice touch with my AEV wheels tad bit extra offset.

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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by KevinABQ » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:00 pm

Nitro and Yukon are who everyone who has done this has said they used. I think Yukon was preferred, but not sure any more. A quick look shows that Nitro at least has 4.8 and 5.3 for the 11.5 diff, but errors ordering are expensive.

I understand that it’s also not the kind of install that you should be doing if you have to ask questions here. I know it’s way out of my league. So you might be better off starting with a mechanic who does this stuff all the time and can ensure you get all the right parts installed correctly.
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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by jeep_boy02 » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:21 pm

Honestly when it comes to gears nowadays there's no reason to shop yukon. You're paying for a name that is just on a box.

They are not made in US any more, nor is Richmond, yukon gets from all over the place so you're really in a crazy shoot on if you get decent gears or not. Research your brands country of origin. Korea is good and lots of inexpensive options, like Elite.

Step it up some to revolution, they're Korean also. Italian is the best options, Korea is good to go. Stay away from China, Indonesia, turkey...

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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by Luke Duke » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:31 am

jeep_boy02 wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:21 pm
Honestly when it comes to gears nowadays there's no reason to shop yukon. You're paying for a name that is just on a box.

They are not made in US any more, nor is Richmond, yukon gets from all over the place so you're really in a crazy shoot on if you get decent gears or not. Research your brands country of origin. Korea is good and lots of inexpensive options, like Elite.

Step it up some to revolution, they're Korean also. Italian is the best options, Korea is good to go. Stay away from China, Indonesia, turkey...

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This is what my research has shown as well. I was hoping to get AAM if I could find the no part #s.
KevinABQ wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:00 pm
Nitro and Yukon are who everyone who has done this has said they used. I think Yukon was preferred, but not sure any more. A quick look shows that Nitro at least has 4.8 and 5.3 for the 11.5 diff, but errors ordering are expensive.

I understand that it’s also not the kind of install that you should be doing if you have to ask questions here. I know it’s way out of my league. So you might be better off starting with a mechanic who does this stuff all the time and can ensure you get all the right parts installed correctly.
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The truly unfortunate part is the best off road place around will tell you ahead of time “there’s a good chance it will roar a little afterward from gear noise” and I know that means the gear set is

n’t long for this world. Soooo….”pickins is slim” and I might have to go out of state to get it done I’m afraid. But regardless of that I want to choose my gearset, not just take what they throw at me.

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Re: 4.88 vs 5.13

Post by cb1987 » Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:55 pm

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