100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:38 pm
Must use a OEM steering stabilizer
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Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:45 pm
Although I figured this out about 10 years ago... I figured I would share. Like many of you I was throwing parts at the problem. Finally broke down and took it to the dealership. The mechanic came back after 10 mins and said it was the steering stabilizer. I proceeded to argue with him that I just put a brand new bilstein stabilizer on. He was very adamant that it was the stabilizer. So I said ok. Sure enough it worked. 10 years later and not a whiff of death wobble.
100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:06 pm
Death wobble is developed from the axle being unable to correct tire direction, or from over correction. Death wobble comes from an issue with alignment-affecting components. Tie rod, ball joints, axle straightness, wheel bearings, tires, control arm bushings, and alignment angles.
The steering damper aids alignment components by preventing over correction and by lessening external inputs. The OEM damper is surprisingly good and I only recommend the OEM damper or the Thuren tunes King damper.
The damper can stop death wobble from happening, but the damper itself is not the cure. Neither is caster alone as I hear frequently said. Every alignment components plays a part, and any one of these listed parts can cause death wobble if worn out or not set correctly.
The steering damper aids alignment components by preventing over correction and by lessening external inputs. The OEM damper is surprisingly good and I only recommend the OEM damper or the Thuren tunes King damper.
The damper can stop death wobble from happening, but the damper itself is not the cure. Neither is caster alone as I hear frequently said. Every alignment components plays a part, and any one of these listed parts can cause death wobble if worn out or not set correctly.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:08 am
I have always been a believer that a steering damper does have its purpose, but curing death wobble is not one of them...but they can often mask it, however.
Well, I guess if they can mask/stop it, then its a win win regardless LOL.
Well, I guess if they can mask/stop it, then its a win win regardless LOL.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:15 am
My OEM damper with a bent shaft, puking oil, with two massive dents in it, kept DW away while I drove 60 miles to a buddy to press in new ball joints. Truck had tires coming off the ground going 40 on the road from DW without the damper.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:51 am
I had the same issues years ago. Throw a ton of money at it. Pin pointed it to the steering stabilizer. Had a discussion about it on here. Most guys here didn't want to hear about the stabilizer.ACL123 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:45 pmAlthough I figured this out about 10 years ago... I figured I would share. Like many of you I was throwing parts at the problem. Finally broke down and took it to the dealership. The mechanic came back after 10 mins and said it was the steering stabilizer. I proceeded to argue with him that I just put a brand new bilstein stabilizer on. He was very adamant that it was the stabilizer. So I said ok. Sure enough it worked. 10 years later and not a whiff of death wobble.
Said it was something else. Pissed me off to no end.Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:00 pm
Are you over it yet?RustyPW wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:51 amI had the same issues years ago. Throw a ton of money at it. Pin pointed it to the steering stabilizer. Had a discussion about it on here. Most guys here didn't want to hear about the stabilizer.ACL123 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:45 pmAlthough I figured this out about 10 years ago... I figured I would share. Like many of you I was throwing parts at the problem. Finally broke down and took it to the dealership. The mechanic came back after 10 mins and said it was the steering stabilizer. I proceeded to argue with him that I just put a brand new bilstein stabilizer on. He was very adamant that it was the stabilizer. So I said ok. Sure enough it worked. 10 years later and not a whiff of death wobble.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:23 pm
olyelr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:00 pmAre you over it yet?RustyPW wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:51 amI had the same issues years ago. Throw a ton of money at it. Pin pointed it to the steering stabilizer. Had a discussion about it on here. Most guys here didn't want to hear about the stabilizer.ACL123 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:45 pmAlthough I figured this out about 10 years ago... I figured I would share. Like many of you I was throwing parts at the problem. Finally broke down and took it to the dealership. The mechanic came back after 10 mins and said it was the steering stabilizer. I proceeded to argue with him that I just put a brand new bilstein stabilizer on. He was very adamant that it was the stabilizer. So I said ok. Sure enough it worked. 10 years later and not a whiff of death wobble.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:51 am
RustyPW wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:51 amI had the same issues years ago. Throw a ton of money at it. Pin pointed it to the steering stabilizer. Had a discussion about it on here. Most guys here didn't want to hear about the stabilizer.ACL123 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:45 pmAlthough I figured this out about 10 years ago... I figured I would share. Like many of you I was throwing parts at the problem. Finally broke down and took it to the dealership. The mechanic came back after 10 mins and said it was the steering stabilizer. I proceeded to argue with him that I just put a brand new bilstein stabilizer on. He was very adamant that it was the stabilizer. So I said ok. Sure enough it worked. 10 years later and not a whiff of death wobble.
ALL THE STABILIZERS!!!!
STABILIZE ALL THE THINGS!!!
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:28 am
Thuren's note on this is is interesting "There are a lot of trusted brands out there producing steering dampers, but they are often very lacking, in actual effectiveness."
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:26 pm
The most important jobs of a steering stabilizer are to damp the smallest initial movements, and to output a lot of force at a very low shaft speed to resist big jerks to the steering. Emulsion shocks like almost every Rancho, Bilstein, Fox, etc. do poor jobs of these because the mixed nitrogen in the oil can flow easily through the valves. There’s a lot to be said for a high quality IFP shock in that job.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:19 pm
There's a better way.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:29 pm
What are we looking at here?
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:07 pm
I know for a fact that Rancho takes a regular shock and lays it on it's side to use as a stabilizer. Because of this, the valve is not fully in the fluid. This creates dead spots in the travel. Had a nice long ass chewing session with them a few years back.DamageWagon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:26 pmThe most important jobs of a steering stabilizer are to damp the smallest initial movements, and to output a lot of force at a very low shaft speed to resist big jerks to the steering. Emulsion shocks like almost every Rancho, Bilstein, Fox, etc. do poor jobs of these because the mixed nitrogen in the oil can flow easily through the valves. There’s a lot to be said for a high quality IFP shock in that job.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:50 pm
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:51 pm
Well you done told them!RustyPW wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:07 pmI know for a fact that Rancho takes a regular shock and lays it on it's side to use as a stabilizer. Because of this, the valve is not fully in the fluid. This creates dead spots in the travel. Had a nice long ass chewing session with them a few years back.DamageWagon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:26 pmThe most important jobs of a steering stabilizer are to damp the smallest initial movements, and to output a lot of force at a very low shaft speed to resist big jerks to the steering. Emulsion shocks like almost every Rancho, Bilstein, Fox, etc. do poor jobs of these because the mixed nitrogen in the oil can flow easily through the valves. There’s a lot to be said for a high quality IFP shock in that job.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:56 pm
Felt like TwinSticks on the phone.olyelr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:51 pmWell you done told them!RustyPW wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:07 pmI know for a fact that Rancho takes a regular shock and lays it on it's side to use as a stabilizer. Because of this, the valve is not fully in the fluid. This creates dead spots in the travel. Had a nice long ass chewing session with them a few years back.DamageWagon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:26 pmThe most important jobs of a steering stabilizer are to damp the smallest initial movements, and to output a lot of force at a very low shaft speed to resist big jerks to the steering. Emulsion shocks like almost every Rancho, Bilstein, Fox, etc. do poor jobs of these because the mixed nitrogen in the oil can flow easily through the valves. There’s a lot to be said for a high quality IFP shock in that job.
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:19 am
Bahahahahahahaha
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:02 am
I would like to see better pics of that hydro assist
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:48 am
Twinstick did set the standard for giving vendors feedback - but I suspect he was most effective in person. 
Ah - the ole days...
Ah - the ole days...
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:25 am
MoparFanatic21 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:02 amI would like to see better pics of that hydro assist
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:10 pm
Who engineered that tie rod mount for the Synergy bar?
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:36 pm
It is from PSCReloaderguy wrote:Who engineered that tie rod mount for the Synergy bar?
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:57 pm
Re: 100% cure for death wobble
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:29 pm
Is that it's intended use? I don't see it surviving Moab on the end of a hydraulic ram.DamageWagon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:36 pmIt is from PSCReloaderguy wrote:Who engineered that tie rod mount for the Synergy bar?