The JK has opposing track bars as well. But it has a sway bar out back too. That is crazy if ram doesn't have one out back.azracer wrote:I glanced under a 2014 or possibly a 2015 PW don't recall for sure, that I test drove and didn't notice one but it sure felt like it didn't have one with all the body roll I felt in turns. To be honest I was more looking at the 4link system and the shocks that went inside the frame. Looked to me like the biggest shock that might fit is a 2.0 pin top. I saw a HD 2500 and on the lot and was curious if it was also a 4 link and it was but it had an air ride system that looked factory to me. Seemed to me that they knew that coils on the back of a HD Ram 2500 was not going to work out very well. I'm curious to hear what you find. One might look at a HD 2500 and compare the sway bars if the PW has one, just to see if it is any different. Carli air bags might just be the ticket for these trucks if it can be adapted to the PW.
One thing I did notice was when I went through a deep dip at speed it felt like the truck shifted/twisted as the suspension cycled. I assumed that they did opposing mountings of the track bars to cause this but I didn't look to see. I first felt this phenomenon on a 1998 Jeep ZJ and it was opposing or better said mirrored track bar mounting front to rear. I was told that the Jeep TJ had the same thing. So there must be some reason that they do it that way.
So do they replace the bumpstops?JBM Power Wagon wrote:Airlift part number 88289. I ended up using a drill and tap to both through the center of the Daystar cradles direct to the bump stop contact plates on the axle.
My 2016 is rated to carry 1307 lbs. Last weekend I carried a 900 lb utility ATV in the bed of the truck, and noticed that it only dropped the rear suspension about 1/2". When I stood back and looked at the truck from the side, the rear of the truck was still just a little higher than the front of the truck. With the driver and passenger in the cab we were right at the trucks maximum rated cargo capacity, and although you could feel the weight in the bed of the truck I did not notice any of the sway or body roll other people have reported either. It felt just fine to me, pretty much like any other single rear wheel truck I've owned.Z's2016PW wrote:I've been wondering about the payload on the newer PW's. My 2016 is rated for 1200 lbs which seems low. Just today I had the truck weighed before loading some wood in the bed. The weight of the truck with my family in it was 7160 lbs. That is just 40 lbs heavier than what the truck is listed at. My whole family combined probably weighs 400 lbs. Is it possible that the PW's are lighter than advertised and have more payload? I mean we put 440 lbs of wood in the bed plus the family and the truck didn't drop an inch. That is nearly 900 lbs. Unlike some of the other posters I have not noticed any sway or body roll. This truck is tight. Maybe there are some slight differences from the 2016's to the older models?
Zane
SheepdogOutdoorsman wrote:Payload capacity isn't solely dependent on the suspension. The total gross vehicle weight listed on your driver's door takes into account a myriad of other factors such as braking distance, tires, tire air pressure, mass of the vehicle during an impact, and other such factors. There are many safety factors that go into the calculation. The 2014+ PW's have a lighter payload than the 2005-2013 PW's mainly because of the rear coil suspension. My 2013 PW has a payload capacity of 1900 lbs.
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Well, it's not BS. I have degrees in automotive technology and mechanical engineering, and worked for Mazda NAO as a technical specialist and consultant. The items I listed are some of the factors that can go into the calculation, but not all of them. By some of your statements, it seems as if you have very little knowledge of how vehicles are engineered, nevertheless what makes the Power Wagon different from a stock Ram 2500. I suggest you do more research before calling BS.Snowsled wrote:SheepdogOutdoorsman wrote:Payload capacity isn't solely dependent on the suspension. The total gross vehicle weight listed on your driver's door takes into account a myriad of other factors such as braking distance, tires, tire air pressure, mass of the vehicle during an impact, and other such factors. There are many safety factors that go into the calculation. The 2014+ PW's have a lighter payload than the 2005-2013 PW's mainly because of the rear coil suspension. My 2013 PW has a payload capacity of 1900 lbs.
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Well, most of that is just completely untrue.... I don't know how else to call BS. The only thing you are even close on is tires, they have to account for the load capacity of the tires. The tires fitted stock to the PW have nearly 6400 lbs capacity, they are NOT a limiting factor. If it is the coil springs can you explain to me how the standard 2500 series truck, which is nearly identical to the PW version, can carry ~3200 lbs? That model uses coil springs and is rated to carry over double what a PW is. Yet the PW has the same frame, axles, suspension layout, brakes, etc, etc.
The PW uses softer rear springs for off road use. It also has a raised suspension. These two things are surely the cause for the 8510 GVWR instead of the 10,000 of the standard 2500. They were both designed with the factors you mentioned in mind but, those do not constitute any actual differences between models that would account for the payload differences.
Get some airbags, as mentioned right off.
You asked a question, then answered your own question, then completely contradicted it... all in the same post.Snowsled wrote: ... If it is the coil springs can you explain to me how the standard 2500 series truck, which is nearly identical to the PW version, can carry ~3200 lbs? ...
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... The PW uses softer rear springs for off road use. It also has a raised suspension. These two things are surely the cause for the 8510 GVWR instead of the 10,000 of the standard 2500....
... those do not constitute any actual differences between models that would account for the payload differences.
Get some airbags, as mentioned right off.
