F'n electronic nanny strikes on trail

[Snowsled]

So I am fixing to crawl up this rock, easing up using both feet and the freaking computer takes away my throttle! Warning on the display to service the electronic throttle, red ignition warning lit, truck is at idle and completely unresponsive, I am perched cross axled on this outcrop halfway up. I shut it off and restart, which appears to have rebooted the system because it worked fine for several hours after that.

What a bunch of crap on an off road truck. I can't run the brake against the throttle on a steep slippery obstacle? You turds wont make me one with a manual and wont let me drive an auto off road properly because it offends the stupid electronic throttle. I am also starting to tire of the trans/throttle programming in Lo, it is just freaking STUPID.

Rant Over...

[nts007]

This is the problem with newer and newer. If I had to pick I would take my 06 in a heartbeat. It was electronic but it was the least invasive. My 08 ctd was telling me performe service see dealer now!! For a week. I just kept laughing at it because it wants the emissions system fixed. But it's not even there. So stupid....

[RustyPW]

You can thank toyota and the feds for the gas pedal/brake nanny. and ferd and the feds for the stupid tire pressure light.

[cruz]

That's why I love my '05, everything that I wanted in a truck with NO electronic nanny monitors.

[Ducky's Dad]

I bought my 2008 Tundra last year with 68M on it. Took it to to dealer for some misc stuff that only Toyota can do (retrofit factory alarm system) and they told me there was a recall on the throttle/brake system. Turns out the feds want them to retrofit all those trucks with throttle/brake interrupters of some sort so that if you apply brake and throttle simultaneously, the computer cuts off the throttle input and takes engine back to idle. Sound familiar? I told them NFW and don't you dare change my truck. They noted on the repair order "customer declines", and now I feel like every time it goes to a dealer I have to have them add that to the RO in writing before I hand them the keys. Has not been back to a dealer and may never be back. I just don't like the nanny crap.

[Pit Slave]

Hmmmm.... No more burn outs in the parking lot.....no more boosted launches.....no more reason to by a new model truck or car.....

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[huntinguy]

Had my traction control kick in while backing up a sand dune Saturday. Even with it turned off, pisses me off.

[Adam_C]

Anybody (olyelr) know if this is similar to the purple wire mod on the JKs? Olyelr has a write up on JK Forum. Have to assume somebody smarter than me, which isn't saying much, has a way to bypass this?

[Jnallison]

I was wondering why my truck threw that same shit at me one day on the rocks. It is annoying. I also dont like the torque management that takes over in 4 lo either. Someone should build a programmer that disables these features including the TPMS. I am sure someone out there is smart enough and I would think there would be a demand. Otherwise I love my truck and I like the modern features it does have, short of it thinking it can drive in certain situations better than me.

[RAM4ROKS]

Ummm...... "a friend told me that" you can do burnouts (brake stands, whatever your preferred terminology) in a traction control equipped Power Wagon just fine. (just have to hold down the button to turn off the traction control) "His" truck has the worn out rear tires and the molten rubber on the rear flanks to prove it, LOL!

I commonly use brake throttle modulation in 4 low rather than using lockers. I cannot honestly recall if i have used brake throttle modulation in 4 high or not. (my truck is a 2012)

Oh, and it's not just the new stuff, my '96 Grand Cherokee V-8 would not allow itself to be "neutral dropped", it would cut revs before it would shift from neutral to drive. Also, I drove a front wheel drive early 2000's car that wouldn't allow you to spin the front wheels with the parking brake on.

[RAM4ROKS]

Traction control on though, my Power Wagon got stuck on dry level trail. I had been driving around in 4 low and my tires were covered in slick clay mud. I was turning onto hard pack so I stopped and shifted to 2wd and it wouldn't move, the second the tires slid due to the clay on them, it would cut engine power, I had my foot to the floor and it wouldn't go above idle. I ended up having to shift into 4 high, get moving and then shift into 2 high.

[Snowsled]

I wont even ask why you tried to neutral drop a V8 GC.....

Yes you can turn off the traction control. Two phases as I read it, the first a partial and if you hold the button down a "complete" shut down of the system where you could do burn outs. It still comes back on but with a pretty high threshold I think.

4Lo disengages the system, supposedly. I will have to try holding the button down when in 4Lo to see if it makes any difference.

Sometimes I like thee soft throttle program in low, other times, not so much. 4Lo is my default when I hit the trail. Sometimes it is a pretty easy, and faster run at first. The laggy throttle blows for this more normal style driving. Low speed obstacles, I really like it, especially since I am not allowed to modulate with the brake anymore....

I could probably just run high range since the trans doesn't seem to heat at all, even on extended, steep, first gear climbs.

[RAM4ROKS]

I wont even ask why you tried to neutral drop a V8 GC.....

Yes you can turn off the traction control. Two phases as I read it, the first a partial and if you hold the button down a "complete" shut down of the system where you could do burn outs. It still comes back on but with a pretty high threshold I think.

4Lo disengages the system, supposedly. I will have to try holding the button down when in 4Lo to see if it makes any difference.

Sometimes I like thee soft throttle program in low, other times, not so much. 4Lo is my default when I hit the trail. Sometimes it is a pretty easy, and faster run at first. The laggy throttle blows for this more normal style driving. Low speed obstacles, I really like it, especially since I am not allowed to modulate with the brake anymore....

I could probably just run high range since the trans doesn't seem to heat at all, even on extended, steep, first gear climbs.

Why neutral drop the V-8 GC? Young and dumb, enough said! LOL!

I think it does still come on but it is at a MUCH higher threshold; you can slide the truck sideways with it still happy! In 4 low, it says it is off, and I believe it. (I have had the truck crossed up hopping both the rear axle and the front without the traction control intervening in any way)

The soft throttle freaks me out sometimes when I am not expecting it, makes the truck feel like it is stalling out on sudden steep hills when you need more power. BUT, it does make driving "elegant" a little easier!

I am pretty much always in 4 low offroad so I can have gthe extra control if I need it. Also, as big as our trucks are (and as tight of trails as i wheel on) I don't want to be going very fast, LOL!

[Snowsled]

We usually have a pretty good laugh on the trails around here. The "Jeep Tour" trucks are bigger than our rigs so there is enough room if a bit tight and scary in spots. The tourists all insist on these side by side golf cart things. They race about in winter clothes, helmets, goggles eating dust and mud all day, getting rained on in a noisy droning buggy. I think they miss most of the beauty, it is lost on them during there race around the trail system. Silly city people, still in a race on vacation, still missing the point, suffering needlessly because someone told them it was.... fun?

I will crawl along at 5-10 mph all day long, in that big comfy Power Wagon, taking in the scenery, thank you anyway.

[olyelr]

Anybody (olyelr) know if this is similar to the purple wire mod on the JKs? Olyelr has a write up on JK Forum. Have to assume somebody smarter than me, which isn't saying much, has a way to bypass this?

I was wondering the same thing myself. I know the traction control on my Jeep is horrible off road. While I think it is a wonderful feature on road, it sure is quite a nuisance when off road.

I have never even driven a power wagon so I dont know how the system compares to the one in my Jeep. With the Jeep, unless you are in 4 low there will always be some extent of the system still in use... even when the button is pushed to disable it. Holding it down does not do anything either. When the button is pressed it will allow you to spin the tires in a straight line, but say you want to whip a shitty or do some drifting out in the sand dunes... TO BAD. You cant. Stupid. Is that the way the PW system functions?

I did some research with the my Jeep and basically installed a switch on the main wire which controls the system. With the flip of the switch, all electronic nannies are a thing of the past. Even the stupid ABS brakes (which let me tell ya can be very scary at times if they are still in use when off road). Does anyone know of a special wire like this for the PW?

Again, I think the systems are really very impressive when on road, but off road it is very beneficial to simply completely abandon it. My wife and I were in a little scenario a few years back in my Jeep... when she was driving we came across a completely iced up section of the road covered by a little snow. Absolute complete loss of control is what I felt from the passenger seat. But, that crap started kicking in and straightened our ass back out like it was nothing. There was no way in hell my wife could have saved it. Hell, even I dont think I could have and I am the best driver in the world.

So does anyone have info on disabling the system all together?

[cruz]

BUT, it does make driving "elegant" a little easier!

As far as I'm concerned, elegant driving is what it's all about. Any fool can mash the pedal and beat the hell outta' their equipment and tear up the landscape.

I will crawl along at 5-10 mph all day long, in that big comfy Power Wagon, taking in the scenery, thank you anyway.

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[nts007]

H and s as well as bullydog both make systems that stay installed to the odb2 port and pretty much rewrite your computer. For example my h and s allows me to turn on and off my drl, set fogs to stay with high. And clear any check engine light no matter what it is. Now there is custom tuning for these programmers. And the right person should be able to completely install a custom system into the pw. These systems dominate the diesel market. But I've seen them available for gas. It's just a matter of custom tuning. I don't see why it couldn't be done. These two systems wipe the computer and install their own system

[Ducky's Dad]

H and s as well as bullydog both make systems that stay installed to the odb2 port and pretty much rewrite your computer.

I don't know about H&S but BullyDog would not sell me a programmer last month because I'm in California. Seems like there has been some recent change in regulation or enforcement that only allows sale of programmers that have CARB registration numbers. So I bought an Edge because they are CARB approved. Only found a couple of programmers that would sell to CA. Crap.

[RustyPW]

Reading about all of this nanny crap. Think I'll keep my '08 forever.

[Stickman]

My DiabloSport Trinity has the option to completely turn off the traction control and ABS system on the fly, and then it automatically comes back on after a simple key cycle. I've used it a few times playing around on gravel roads and I can tell ya it COMPLETELY disables all of it. It turns into a wild animal off road with that TC off, kicks the ass end out as fast as it can downshift and will break both back tires loose through 3rd gear on loose gravel. Kinda scary without ABS doing all that though.

[olyelr]

My DiabloSport Trinity has the option to completely turn off the traction control and ABS system on the fly, and then it automatically comes back on after a simple key cycle. I've used it a few times playing around on gravel roads and I can tell ya it COMPLETELY disables all of it. It turns into a wild animal off road with that TC off, kicks the ass end out as fast as it can downshift and will break both back tires loose through 3rd gear on loose gravel. Kinda scary without ABS doing all that though.

Well that is the ticket then.

Come to think of it now, dosnt the AEV ProCal for the JK's allow you to shut off the traction control and use lockers whenever you want (amongst many other things)? Maybe they will come out with one for the PW.

[Stickman]

AEV is supposed to be coming out with a ProCal for the Ram but it doesn't appear to be out yet, on their site atleast.

[loveracing1988]

AEV is supposed to be coming out with a ProCal for the Ram but it doesn't appear to be out yet, on their site atleast.

It is out but only available in their lift kit as of now. They are supposed to offer it as a standalone option soon though.

[olyelr]

AEV is supposed to be coming out with a ProCal for the Ram but it doesn't appear to be out yet, on their site atleast.

It is out but only available in their lift kit as of now. They are supposed to offer it as a standalone option soon though.

Know what all the tuner can do? Does it allow locker operation whenever one would like? What about the traction control system?

[Will]

Only thing my 2010 has that's annoying as shit is the ABS, great on road but will cause you to wreck offroad. I dont understand why in the hell they don't put and on/off feature or the ABS. It's just as dangerous offroad as not having ABS on road IMO. Get in some good old Georgia red clay slick as shit and you can NOT stop.