Axle Lockers not working..

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Axle Lockers not working..

Post by ReaganAbington » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:58 pm

Let me just say this 05 power wagon I have, I've had more problems with it then all of my other vehicles combined. It's getting old. So I was about to go off on a trail today, put my lockers to front and rear and it took it forever to lock the axles. Whenever the rear ones were locked it would still blink "unlocked" sometimes like it was going back and forth between rear lockers and being unlocked, and i never felt any difference when my rear ones were locked. Then all of the sudden my front ones locked and my steering wheel turned all the way to the left and it took all my strength to stear it back forwards. I couldn't steer it either way and I was just praying i could unlock my truck. Within about another 5 minutes of driving in a straight line trying to get it to unlock it finally did. Anyone seem to know what this problem could be?

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Re: Axle Lockers not working..

Post by Cactus Red » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:32 pm

Have the locker magnets been cleaned when the diff oil was changed?

Since you are long out of warranty, hard wiring the lockers is the best solution. That's been well documented here.

Sounds like you got it pretty well bound up. Lockers will do that on firm terrain.

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Re: Axle Lockers not working..

Post by FirerescuePW » Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:19 pm

If the "locking parts" in the diff are not lined up perfectly when you turn the knob, it will not lock until there is some loss of traction that causes the tires on the axle to spin at different speeds, thus aligning the parts. This is normal. The limited slip quite often prevents this from happening quickly.

The locker magnet being clean, as Cactus said, allows a reliable signal to be sent to the electronics. If the magnet is caked with metal flakes, and the "locked" signal isn't strong, the electronics will engage/disengage, then possibly throw a trouble code by flashing the indicator lights. Hardwiring bypasses this phase and just applies power to them till they lock.

Both are causes for slow locking. One can be worked around.
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Re: Axle Lockers not working..

Post by ReaganAbington » Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:58 pm

Thanks guys. I'll give it a look tomorrow morning.

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Post by ReaganAbington » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:38 am

Cactus Red wrote:Have the locker magnets been cleaned when the diff oil was changed?

Since you are long out of warranty, hard wiring the lockers is the best solution. That's been well documented here.

Sounds like you got it pretty well bound up. Lockers will do that on firm terrain.

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Well when mine lockers wouldn't engage on the trails I took it off on the concrete real fast to see if it would engage there and that's when it pulled to the left. Would the concrete made it do that? This is my Dad's old truck that he handed down to me and I'm just trying to learn haha.

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Post by Cactus Red » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:34 pm

Yes, hard surfaces like that are very prone to causing binding with lockers. Something has to slip, you're lucky it's a PW, cause usually something breaks in that situation.

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Post by adeluca73 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:20 pm

NEVER EVER RUN YOUR LOCKERS ON HARD PAVED ROADS. You will tear up your transfer case, diff, or other drive line components. Tires have to spin at different rates for the magnets to engage that clutch & gears in the diff.
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Re: Axle Lockers not working..

Post by ReaganAbington » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:00 pm

adeluca73 wrote:NEVER EVER RUN YOUR LOCKERS ON HARD PAVED ROADS. You will tear up your transfer case, diff, or other drive line components. Tires have to spin at different rates for the magnets to engage that clutch & gears in the diff.
Well shit, thanks bro. I still have a lot of learning left to do. Luckily I didn't have to learn the hard way there.

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Post by lastmanalliance » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:25 pm

DO NOT HARDWIRE LOCKERS!!!!! if you can wait a little bit don't do it. I live in Tulsa and I have a 2005. I was having issues with my lockers also.( my issue was completely different) but I went to a man named Morgan and he used to own a 2010 PW. He has been making 4th gen locker bypass kits for these guys for a while now. If you can hold off for a bit he is making a 3rd gen kit. I have been helping him with making it. By helping I mean just letting him use my truck as a test dummy. But if you can hold off for a while he will have it up and running. Hard wiring your lockers takes away your factory buttons
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Post by lastmanalliance » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:27 pm

By 3rd gen I mean 2005-2009 model year. If you didn't know. Sorry
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Post by GunniPWguy » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:03 pm

lastmanalliance wrote:DO NOT HARDWIRE LOCKERS!!!!! if you can wait a little bit don't do it. I live in Tulsa and I have a 2005. I was having issues with my lockers also.( my issue was completely different) but I went to a man named Morgan and he used to own a 2010 PW. He has been making 4th gen locker bypass kits for these guys for a while now. If you can hold off for a bit he is making a 3rd gen kit. I have been helping him with making it. By helping I mean just letting him use my truck as a test dummy. But if you can hold off for a while he will have it up and running. Hard wiring your lockers takes away your factory buttons

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Post by lastmanalliance » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:55 pm

GunniPWguy wrote:
lastmanalliance wrote:DO NOT HARDWIRE LOCKERS!!!!! if you can wait a little bit don't do it. I live in Tulsa and I have a 2005. I was having issues with my lockers also.( my issue was completely different) but I went to a man named Morgan and he used to own a 2010 PW. He has been making 4th gen locker bypass kits for these guys for a while now. If you can hold off for a bit he is making a 3rd gen kit. I have been helping him with making it. By helping I mean just letting him use my truck as a test dummy. But if you can hold off for a while he will have it up and running. Hard wiring your lockers takes away your factory buttons

Please tell us more! :secret: :drool: :popcorn:
I was talking to Morgan the other day and he said he was having a hell of a time getting the connectors to ship. They are coming from Hong Kong and apparently the company is very hard to deal with.... But the test model worked like a beauty after some tinkering. The guy is a genious when it comes to electronics. I can't wait to see what the final outcome is
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Re: Axle Lockers not working..

Post by GunniPWguy » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:52 pm

lastmanalliance wrote:
GunniPWguy wrote:
lastmanalliance wrote:DO NOT HARDWIRE LOCKERS!!!!! if you can wait a little bit don't do it. I live in Tulsa and I have a 2005. I was having issues with my lockers also.( my issue was completely different) but I went to a man named Morgan and he used to own a 2010 PW. He has been making 4th gen locker bypass kits for these guys for a while now. If you can hold off for a bit he is making a 3rd gen kit. I have been helping him with making it. By helping I mean just letting him use my truck as a test dummy. But if you can hold off for a while he will have it up and running. Hard wiring your lockers takes away your factory buttons

Please tell us more! :secret: :drool: :popcorn:
I was talking to Morgan the other day and he said he was having a hell of a time getting the connectors to ship. They are coming from Hong Kong and apparently the company is very hard to deal with.... But the test model worked like a beauty after some tinkering. The guy is a genious when it comes to electronics. I can't wait to see what the final outcome is
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Post by myoung84 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:06 pm

Haha. Thanks guys. I'm getting close to having connectors ship never imagined it would be so difficult. I'm dealing with a guy named Paul, but I'm pretty sure that's not his real name. Lol

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Post by jeep_boy02 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:16 pm

So its more like "paur"!?
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Post by GunniPWguy » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:46 pm

Paru..
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Post by ACRucrazy » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:51 am

In for a bypass kit. :winchmob:
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