At a Mod Crossroad- Need Help

[04Ram2500Hemi]

So I've got a dilemma with whether or not I should throw a few more dollars at the truck or not. For some reason, I really hate the 33" tires these trucks come with (the hatred is with the size not so much the performance). The way I figure, I could throw some Thuren Arms on my truck ($1,000 or so installed) and then buy 5 Toyo Open Country A/T II's for around $1,500. So essentially for $2,500 I'd have the setup I want. My problem is I only have 21,000 miles on the truck and the factory BFG's so it seems silly to me to waste the money on tires when I don't need them yet. In short- I need some help.

[shaner82]

I have only 2,000 miles on my BFG's but I just pulled them off the truck (along with the stock rims) and installed 35's and aftermarket rims. I'll be selling them. So in other words, get rid of those puny tires!

[BANGG]

It isn't a guilt or need thing. It's a want. And if that's what you want and can afford then by all means DO IT. You should also be able to off-set some of the cost by selling the tires and wheels. Probably better to do so separate from each other. But I don't know!

[FirerescuePW]

I know you want to keep this truck forever, but at the rate you accumulate mileage, these may be the only tires you ever have. Unless they dryrot. So if you really want 35s, do it. I did. No looking back. No regrets.



You gotta start somewhere!

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[Powerwagon Nut]

It you really want bigger tires I say go for it! I stayed with the factory size when I bought my Toyos, even though I like the look of 35s better. I was afraid that by changing one parameter the law of unintended consequences would rear it's ugly head and I'd have more modifications to make to get it right again. I am also reticent to change things on the truck, since it was engineered by people way smarter than me. That said, are there really noticeable benefits performance wise with 35s? What are they?

[shaner82]

It you really want bigger tires I say go for it! I stayed with the factory size when I bought my Toyos, even though I like the look of 35s better. I was afraid that by changing one parameter the law of unintended consequences would rear it's ugly head and I'd have more modifications to make to get it right again. I am also reticent to change things on the truck, since it was engineered by people way smarter than me. That said, are there really noticeable benefits performance wise with 35s? What are they?

For me personally, I take my truck off road a lot, so bigger mud tires help A LOT! There is absolutely no possible way that stock tires would get my truck through some of the terrain I venture into. Even my 35's have just barely got me through. Plus they look bad ass on our trucks!

[Skyd Ram]

I would sell the BFG's now that you can still get some OK money for them. It seems that most guys start running into problems with the sidewalls around 20-25K on these heavy trucks. It's more of a problem with the 315's but seems to affect most of the All Terrains.

[05PWrockcrawler]

Vote bigger tires no regrets you will love the new look and it's what you want anyways just looking for us to help you with the decision. So do it! Have you ordered pArts yet? Hurry up.


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[coder]

Your plan sounds good, sell the tires and get 35" I would highly recommend getting for about $200 a tire and gear only tuner I got the procomp rebranded Hypertech to reset the tire size. The drivability, and transmission shift are much better, same as stock, even a 33" tire will throw the transmission shifting off.

[myoung84]

I agree with everyone (if my opinion counts anymore, lol). You can get some decent money for the stock tires. 35's on these trucks is perfect.

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[Ducky's Dad]

Sell the tires, KEEP THE WHEELS. The only suitable replacement wheel is the H2, but it requires a bit of machining on the hub hole to fit the PW. The H2 wheel may cause a bit more rubbing than the factory wheels do. The big advantages of the 35" tires are a bigger contact patch, better flotation, and an extra inch of ground clearance, plus an effective reduction in gear ratio and lower revs at cruising speed. The 35s are heavier and have greater cross section and wind resistance so will reduce fuel mileage. The advantage of Toyo ATs or MTs is that you can (and should) get Load Range E, and they are much better tires than the BFGs. I am on my second set of Toyo 35s (MT, then AT2) and will never go back to BFGs on the PW. I pulled my BFGs off when the PW was new and put them on my old truck just to use them up.

[bajaben48]

Its fun spending someone else's money.

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[Mr.Smith]

PHUC IT, I'll see your 35" TOYOS & raise you...37" TOOOYYYYOOOOOS! ALL IN!

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I kind of figured the overwhelming advice would be to do it. I didn't think about a programmer- that was a good thought. One more question; how much are used BFG tires with under 25,000 miles worth?

[Ducky's Dad]

how much are used BFG tires with under 25,000 miles worth?

Not much, because they are usually only good for 30-35K. Check Craigslist for asking prices for similar tires, but note that a lot of the wheels and tires on Craigslist are there week after week without selling, because sellers want too much. I'm guessing yours would sell at $200 for the set. The dealer who sells you the new tires might give you some trade-in value if he also sells used tires. Lot of tire dealers won't sell used stuff.

[SheepdogOutdoorsman]

Sell the tires, KEEP THE WHEELS. The only suitable replacement wheel is the H2, but it requires a bit of machining on the hub hole to fit the PW. The H2 wheel may cause a bit more rubbing than the factory wheels do. The big advantages of the 35" tires are a bigger contact patch, better flotation, and an extra inch of ground clearance, plus an effective reduction in gear ratio and lower revs at cruising speed. The 35s are heavier and have greater cross section and wind resistance so will reduce fuel mileage. The advantage of Toyo ATs or MTs is that you can (and should) get Load Range E, and they are much better tires than the BFGs. I am on my second set of Toyo 35s (MT, then AT2) and will never go back to BFGs on the PW. I pulled my BFGs off when the PW was new and put them on my old truck just to use them up.

Larger tires don't reduce gearing, they increase it. That's what gives you better fuel economy (in theory). What initially worried me about larger tires and towing is the loss of torque. In the end though a tuner compensates for the loss of torque at the wheels.


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[SheepdogOutdoorsman]

Sell the tires, KEEP THE WHEELS. The only suitable replacement wheel is the H2, but it requires a bit of machining on the hub hole to fit the PW. The H2 wheel may cause a bit more rubbing than the factory wheels do. The big advantages of the 35" tires are a bigger contact patch, better flotation, and an extra inch of ground clearance, plus an effective reduction in gear ratio and lower revs at cruising speed. The 35s are heavier and have greater cross section and wind resistance so will reduce fuel mileage. The advantage of Toyo ATs or MTs is that you can (and should) get Load Range E, and they are much better tires than the BFGs. I am on my second set of Toyo 35s (MT, then AT2) and will never go back to BFGs on the PW. I pulled my BFGs off when the PW was new and put them on my old truck just to use them up.

Larger tires don't reduce gearing, they increase it. That's what gives you better fuel economy (in theory). What initially worried me about larger tires and towing is the loss of torque. In the end though a tuner compensates for the loss of torque at the wheels.


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[TwinStick]

Depends on the way you look at it.

They can be said to reduce gearing because: it takes more power to pull the same load with 37" tires than it does with 33" tires. So it is like going from 4.56's to 3.73's when jumping to 37's.

They can be said to increase gearing because: the tire is larger & you need to increase gearing to make it work the same as stock. With 35's, you would need 4.88's to have the same powerband as stock.

Thats why many people say " I need lower gears (higher numerically)" or " Higher gears (lower numerically)".

[SheepdogOutdoorsman]

Depends on the way you look at it.

They can be said to reduce gearing because: it takes more power to pull the same load with 37" tires than it does with 33" tires. So it is like going from 4.56's to 3.73's when jumping to 37's.

They can be said to increase gearing because: the tire is larger & you need to increase gearing to make it work the same as stock. With 35's, you would need 4.88's to have the same powerband as stock.

Thats why many people say " I need lower gears (higher numerically)" or " Higher gears (lower numerically)".

I get what you're saying. But, in the end larger tires increases your gear ratio (lower numerically like you said), which lowers torque to the ground. Just because someone uses vernacular incorrectly it doesn't change the physics of it all. Just because someone uses the wrong vernacular by saying "Obama's doing a good job" doesn't mean he is. They just said it wrong is all!


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[SheepdogOutdoorsman]

Depends on the way you look at it.

They can be said to reduce gearing because: it takes more power to pull the same load with 37" tires than it does with 33" tires. So it is like going from 4.56's to 3.73's when jumping to 37's.

They can be said to increase gearing because: the tire is larger & you need to increase gearing to make it work the same as stock. With 35's, you would need 4.88's to have the same powerband as stock.

Thats why many people say " I need lower gears (higher numerically)" or " Higher gears (lower numerically)".

I get what you're saying. But, in the end larger tires increases your gear ratio (lower numerically like you said), which lowers torque to the ground. Just because someone uses vernacular incorrectly it doesn't change the physics of it all. Just because someone uses the wrong vernacular by saying "Obama's doing a good job" doesn't mean he is. They just said it wrong is all!


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[myoung84]

Lol. Obama doing a good job. Now that's funny!

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[SheepdogOutdoorsman]

Lol. Obama doing a good job. Now that's funny!

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Yeah ... 2016 can't come fast enough!


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[Will]

So I've got a dilemma with whether or not I should throw a few more dollars at the truck or not. For some reason, I really hate the 33" tires these trucks come with (the hatred is with the size not so much the performance). The way I figure, I could throw some Thuren Arms on my truck ($1,000 or so installed) and then buy 5 Toyo Open Country A/T II's for around $1,500. So essentially for $2,500 I'd have the setup I want. My problem is I only have 21,000 miles on the truck and the factory BFG's so it seems silly to me to waste the money on tires when I don't need them yet. In short- I need some help.

You know my thoughts on what to do. I noticed a big gain from the stock tires to the 35's in all around performance. A little more clearance goes a long way on a crew cab with the long wheel base. I use my truck a lot pulling stumps with the winch clearing land an such as well and it has a better hold with the bigger tires foot print. For what I do and the terrain I run, the 4:56's are actually a little too low. I don't have enough rocks to rock climb. The 35's made a nice compromise in the gearing in the mud. Before I got the locker bypass, I needed to use the low range to be able to use the lockers which was almost too low for boggy mud. Plus, the truck "floats" better on sand. Last but not least, it looks WAY better!

[JBM Power Wagon]

So I've got a dilemma with whether or not I should throw a few more dollars at the truck or not. For some reason, I really hate the 33" tires these trucks come with (the hatred is with the size not so much the performance). The way I figure, I could throw some Thuren Arms on my truck ($1,000 or so installed) and then buy 5 Toyo Open Country A/T II's for around $1,500. So essentially for $2,500 I'd have the setup I want. My problem is I only have 21,000 miles on the truck and the factory BFG's so it seems silly to me to waste the money on tires when I don't need them yet. In short- I need some help.

You know my thoughts on what to do. I noticed a big gain from the stock tires to the 35's in all around performance. A little more clearance goes a long way on a crew cab with the long wheel base. I use my truck a lot pulling stumps with the winch clearing land an such as well and it has a better hold with the bigger tires foot print. For what I do and the terrain I run, the 4:56's are actually a little too low. I don't have enough rocks to rock climb. The 35's made a nice compromise in the gearing in the mud. Before I got the locker bypass, I needed to use the low range to be able to use the lockers which was almost too low for boggy mud. Plus, the truck "floats" better on sand. Last but not least, it looks WAY better!

100% agree!!!!! Couldn't have said it any better myself!

After I went to 35" tires I added a Bullydog GT, Magnaflow 24" muffler and Y pipe and an Airaid CAI and got back any lost power and mileage.

[TwinStick]

Just because someone uses the wrong vernacular by saying "Obama's doing a good job" doesn't mean he is. They just said it wrong is all!


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100% agree !