Sled pulling with PW

[twistedpw]

Anyone recognize this power wagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us7MH8cl0iA









pulled 251' 5" beating a duramax by 6 feet

[Throttle 8]

Nice Edwin!!!!!
Your "Powerstroke Cummins" sure sounds like a Hemi!!!--lol
How did you do against the oil burners?

[MSparks909]

What gear did you pull in? Or did you leave it in D? I want to pull again but I need my stock clutch to last me (hopefully) until 100K miles, which for me will be in about a year. After that I'll have enough saved up to upgrade to a stronger clutch and won't care if I smoke mine. Next time I pull I'd like to be able to borrow some 33x12.50 Trxus STS's, block out the rear suspension, hopefully have LT headers and a programmer and pull in 3rd gear/low range with axles locked. I think I'd be a pretty good contender with that. My last pull I did 2nd gear/low range b/c of the 37's and didn't block the suspension

[RedMan]

I plan on entering on truck pull just hope the next one I go to the price for the entry fee is close to what I am told so that I bring enough money with me !

[GunniPWguy]

Big ole powerstroke cummins. Guy needs to lay off the bath salts.

[twistedpw]

i was a little out gunned in the street legal class, i was against a tuned up 6.0l super duty and 2 800hp twin turboed cummins trucks that would turn the earth backwords if hooked to the moon, they both had to get off the trottle to keep from going through the fence (the sled operator was even on the binders).

i pulled in 4lo locked and diablo set at max hp in drive with the overdrive OFF. next time i will pull in 2nd cause the truck didn't have the power to stay in third and shifted twice up to third and back to second, i lost so much steam when it shifted so next time i'll just put it in 2nd to start. the track was clay based and i just run out of hp, i had all the traction i needed just run out of motor (should have put that 6.1l in when i had the chance). i'm hoping to go to the Teeswater or Fergus pull were they have street legal gas and diesel classes insted of putting us all together. it was alot of fun other that all the younge f#@&s that don't know enough to keep there anti dodge comments to them selfs when they don't have the guts to hook there oun POS to the sled.

[twistedpw]

Big ole powerstroke cummins. Guy needs to lay off the bath salts.

my brother videoed the pull from under the announcer stand and turned the video off to soon to hear him yell at the announcer "ITS A HEMI", and the announcer to correct himself

[TrueCowboy426]

Not a bad pull. Definitely lost a lot of momentum when it upshifted. Let me know when your going to hit the other truck pulls and I will come along with mine. I'm the same as Miles, as I need to use 3rd low range as I just run out of RPM in second. Either that or try 1st high and hope for the best. Fergus, or Owen Sound is a better pull as they have a class for our trucks and it's a little more fair.

[TwinStick]

A truck pull announcer that don't know trucks OR engines ! Good pull. Just the fact that most PW's are not usually allowed to compete against other stock 3/4 tons is a testament in & of itself. Chevy & Ford owners usually start whining & crying about "thats not fair." Then they stick us in the unlimited class against the diesels. Yeah, thats more fair !

[VA_Wagon Man]

That's great! Haha crazy announcer. I pulled my auto in 2nd low and she was gear hunting pretty bad. I'm going to try keeping it in first next time. Yeah, stupid sissy kids and their comments need to grow some and take rigs out there before making assanine remarks.

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[MSparks909]

Not a bad pull. Definitely lost a lot of momentum when it upshifted. Let me know when your going to hit the other truck pulls and I will come along with mine. I'm the same as Miles, as I need to use 3rd low range as I just run out of RPM in second. Either that or try 1st high and hope for the best. Fergus, or Owen Sound is a better pull as they have a class for our trucks and it's a little more fair.

I don't think I would pull in 1st high. While it is a low gear I think you would run out of RPM's plus you might burn the clutches a little too much. Not to mention the added stresses on the transmission/transfercase. Try 4 low/3rd since you have 35's. Rev it to 5K and let the clutch out smoothly and quickly and lay the throttle on the floor. And don't make the same mistake I did by not blocking the rear suspension!!! I really want to borrow a set of 33's and try pulling in 3rd...and I really want to get those LT headers, a cam and a programmer Those 37's really suck the power. When I was in 4-low/2nd I was topping out at 5K RPM's down the track. Smaller tires would allow me to use 3rd (and potentially 4th low with a lot of power) and get the wheel speed up to help get the sled down the track.

[Throttle 8]

Here's a question for you pullers. How do you think a PowerWagon with a G56 would do if tied off to a 4x4 Duramax. The weight should be pretty close. I was at the dump a couple days ago and came out empty with me in the truck and a full tank of gas at 7200lbs. The Duramax is making huge torque (near 800 foot lbs) but his gears are probably 3.90 ish. I do not have near the torque, but with a 6.29 granny first in low range giving 78/1 crawl ratio, plus the advantage of all 4 wheels locked I think it might be interesting. Let me know what you think, as I'm getting tired of his talking smack and might call him out for $100.

[TwinStick]

Truck-to-truck pulling is a funny thing. Watch some u-tube videos. Seems like the first person to spin the tires can be pulled backwards by just about any other truck. Weight is your friend. Have some/a lot in the bed. Weight aids in traction. I can't see how a Hemi will out pull a diesel truck to truck on blacktop. Something will break. Also a word of caution, many people (diesel owners/kids w/dads truck) like to destroy other peoples vehicles. They may not come clean & may have lockers front & rear, &/or be set up for sled pulling, by having traction bars, suspension lock out, low gears etc... . & just not tell you. I'm just puttin that out there. Hate to see you break your daily driver bad.

[TrueCowboy426]

I don't think I would pull in 1st high. While it is a low gear I think you would run out of RPM's plus you might burn the clutches a little too much. Not to mention the added stresses on the transmission/transfercase. Try 4 low/3rd since you have 35's. Rev it to 5K and let the clutch out smoothly and quickly and lay the throttle on the floor. And don't make the same mistake I did by not blocking the rear suspension!!! I really want to borrow a set of 33's and try pulling in 3rd...and I really want to get those LT headers, a cam and a programmer Those 37's really suck the power. When I was in 4-low/2nd I was topping out at 5K RPM's down the track. Smaller tires would allow me to use 3rd (and potentially 4th low with a lot of power) and get the wheel speed up to help get the sled down the track.

I would tend to agree that 1st high would be too much, but looking at it from a gear ratio standpoint, 1st high is actually better mechanically than 3rd low.
Ratios:
1st High = 6.29(trans ratio) x 4.56 = 28.68 final ratio
3rd low = 2.10(trans ratio) x 2.72 (transfer case reduction) x 4.56 = 26.05 final ratio

Based on that the order of going up in gears would be; 2nd low, 1st high, 3rd low. I might try it. My clutch is less than a year old, so it can handling a little slipping.
For the tracks I normally pull on, ground speed is king. I've never run out of power besides my first time pulling with my 02 on 35's and 3.55 gears. Still got 3rd in my class though @ 271.2' against a supercharged ford and BB chev.

Blocking suspension is easy for me as I just air up my bags to 70psi and call it good. Normally they tech me to ensure I'm running 5lbs or less, but lately they are less strict. I'm definitely looking forward to pulling season!

[TrueCowboy426]

Here's a question for you pullers. How do you think a PowerWagon with a G56 would do if tied off to a 4x4 Duramax. The weight should be pretty close. I was at the dump a couple days ago and came out empty with me in the truck and a full tank of gas at 7200lbs. The Duramax is making huge torque (near 800 foot lbs) but his gears are probably 3.90 ish. I do not have near the torque, but with a 6.29 granny first in low range giving 78/1 crawl ratio, plus the advantage of all 4 wheels locked I think it might be interesting. Let me know what you think, as I'm getting tired of his talking smack and might call him out for $100.

Your biggest disadvantage is going to be the G56. He has the luxury of just leaning on the torque converter, where you have to slip the clutch and try not to break the tires loose. First to break traction looses, pretty much as simple as that.
Most have probably seen this, but truck vs truck pulling back in the day with my 2 1500's. No damage to either truck, and I still own both of these.

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[MSparks909]

I don't think I would pull in 1st high. While it is a low gear I think you would run out of RPM's plus you might burn the clutches a little too much. Not to mention the added stresses on the transmission/transfercase. Try 4 low/3rd since you have 35's. Rev it to 5K and let the clutch out smoothly and quickly and lay the throttle on the floor. And don't make the same mistake I did by not blocking the rear suspension!!! I really want to borrow a set of 33's and try pulling in 3rd...and I really want to get those LT headers, a cam and a programmer Those 37's really suck the power. When I was in 4-low/2nd I was topping out at 5K RPM's down the track. Smaller tires would allow me to use 3rd (and potentially 4th low with a lot of power) and get the wheel speed up to help get the sled down the track.

I would tend to agree that 1st high would be too much, but looking at it from a gear ratio standpoint, 1st high is actually better mechanically than 3rd low.
Ratios:
1st High = 6.29(trans ratio) x 4.56 = 28.68 final ratio
3rd low = 2.10(trans ratio) x 2.72 (transfer case reduction) x 4.56 = 26.05 final ratio

Based on that the order of going up in gears would be; 2nd low, 1st high, 3rd low. I might try it. My clutch is less than a year old, so it can handling a little slipping.
For the tracks I normally pull on, ground speed is king. I've never run out of power besides my first time pulling with my 02 on 35's and 3.55 gears. Still got 3rd in my class though @ 271.2' against a supercharged ford and BB chev.

Blocking suspension is easy for me as I just air up my bags to 70psi and call it good. Normally they tech me to ensure I'm running 5lbs or less, but lately they are less strict. I'm definitely looking forward to pulling season!

Yeah I understand that. Since you said ground speed is king, I'd try 3rd/4th low and see what ground speed you get. I've heard of more than a few guys tearing up their transfercases by not running in low. Takes some of the stress off it
when you are in L. Also, how heavy is the sled you are pulling? The one I pulled was 55,000 pounds That sumbitch was heavy! Having a manual is definitely an asset when sled pulling. At least it's the case when you have a G56 vs. a 545RFE

Oh, one more thing even though I'm sure you've already thought of this. Would your airbags be okay when hooked to a sled? I'd hate to blow those expensive bags. They probably are I'm just curious what the capacity on them is.

[Throttle 8]

His truck is bone stock --no bully dog or lockers, I am sure of that. He is running stock 265's street tires. (I am running 315's)
I will not spin in Low gear/Low Range. 3200 rpm (my peak torque) is only a couple miles per hour. I have tried to stall the truck in first gear low range at idle with both feet on the brake----you can not stop the truck---it doesn't even chug! I know weight can be a determining factor---but if this were even it would be interesting to see if my lockers and gears with a bigger contact patch could overcome a 400foot/lb torque disadvantage.
Diesels are pullers. They can be built to be sick. They will outpull us on the highway no questions asked, but in low gear the g56/hemi can pull pretty good as well.
Or I could just ask him to follow me up my favourite trail----then charge him $100 to pull him out!!---LOL

[RedMan]

Not a bad pull. Definitely lost a lot of momentum when it upshifted. Let me know when your going to hit the other truck pulls and I will come along with mine. I'm the same as Miles, as I need to use 3rd low range as I just run out of RPM in second. Either that or try 1st high and hope for the best. Fergus, or Owen Sound is a better pull as they have a class for our trucks and it's a little more fair.

I don't think I would pull in 1st high. While it is a low gear I think you would run out of RPM's plus you might burn the clutches a little too much. Not to mention the added stresses on the transmission/transfercase. Try 4 low/3rd since you have 35's. Rev it to 5K and let the clutch out smoothly and quickly and lay the throttle on the floor. And don't make the same mistake I did by not blocking the rear suspension!!! I really want to borrow a set of 33's and try pulling in 3rd...and I really want to get those LT headers, a cam and a programmer Those 37's really suck the power. When I was in 4-low/2nd I was topping out at 5K RPM's down the track. Smaller tires would allow me to use 3rd (and potentially 4th low with a lot of power) and get the wheel speed up to help get the sled down the track.

Miles
When my tires wear down to about 1/8" of tread left I was informed by the guys running those tractors that my tires would be a great pulling tire. What does that mean to us? That is right, I am planning on getting another set for the street, now we just need to get another set of wheels for those tires, then when truck pulls come up we can meat up and switch out tires . If you come across a set of wheels you should grab them, I will be needing new tires by next summer most likely. But then again I have been saying I will need new tires for the last two years and then a year later I still have plenty of tread left

[MSparks909]

Not a bad pull. Definitely lost a lot of momentum when it upshifted. Let me know when your going to hit the other truck pulls and I will come along with mine. I'm the same as Miles, as I need to use 3rd low range as I just run out of RPM in second. Either that or try 1st high and hope for the best. Fergus, or Owen Sound is a better pull as they have a class for our trucks and it's a little more fair.

I don't think I would pull in 1st high. While it is a low gear I think you would run out of RPM's plus you might burn the clutches a little too much. Not to mention the added stresses on the transmission/transfercase. Try 4 low/3rd since you have 35's. Rev it to 5K and let the clutch out smoothly and quickly and lay the throttle on the floor. And don't make the same mistake I did by not blocking the rear suspension!!! I really want to borrow a set of 33's and try pulling in 3rd...and I really want to get those LT headers, a cam and a programmer Those 37's really suck the power. When I was in 4-low/2nd I was topping out at 5K RPM's down the track. Smaller tires would allow me to use 3rd (and potentially 4th low with a lot of power) and get the wheel speed up to help get the sled down the track.

Miles
When my tires wear down to about 1/8" of tread left I was informed by the guys running those tractors that my tires would be a great pulling tire. What does that mean to us? That is right, I am planning on getting another set for the street, now we just need to get another set of wheels for those tires, then when truck pulls come up we can meat up and switch out tires . If you come across a set of wheels you should grab them, I will be needing new tires by next summer most likely. But then again I have been saying I will need new tires for the last two years and then a year later I still have plenty of tread left

That would be VERY convenient to be able to switch out tires like that! As much as I like my 37's they just are too big for pulling tires on a gas rig. I've noticed on those tractors how little tread they have. Don't know why that is so desirable (maybe too much tread digs the tires in too much?). Anyways I've been looking for a cheap set of rims on Craigslist and the local Carolina Bargain Trader for a while. Haven't come across any in my price range...yet. Once I get the long tubes installed as well as the programmer I think I'll have a decent little sled puller with the right tires I'll throw a cam/valvesprings/pushrods in the truck in a year or two as well. I really really want to get a set of 33x12.50 Interco Trxus STS's...

[TwinStick]

Go with a set of 265/70/17's. They are smaller yet. Usually cheaper too. W-Mart even sells a nice set of mud tires that size in Load Range E.

[MSparks909]

Go with a set of 265/70/17's. They are smaller yet. Usually cheaper too. W-Mart even sells a nice set of mud tires that size in Load Range E.

I would but if I get semi-serious in the local pulls then I want to go with those 33x12.50 Trxus STS's. They're some dang good tires for sled pulling.

[Juday]

His truck is bone stock --no bully dog or lockers, I am sure of that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the GM HD trucks have the G80 lockers in the rear. I know that my father has one in his 2009 Duramax, but I don't know if it's an option, or standard on the truck?

[TrueCowboy426]

Oh, one more thing even though I'm sure you've already thought of this. Would your airbags be okay when hooked to a sled? I'd hate to blow those expensive bags. They probably are I'm just curious what the capacity on them is.

No issues with the bags sled pulling. I've aired them up to 70lbs (I'm pretty sure recommended max pressure is 100psi) and had 2 ton of fertilizer in the bed of the truck and no problems. You will far exceed the capacity of the truck before you would ever need to worry about blowing out the bags.