Um no you missed my point completely. It's a tall bumper. Reduces ground clearance. Now you have a winch, but you also have a bumper that is lower than your stock. The ARB is actually a better bumper because the approach angle is slightly improved (in a way, I'll explain), despite it sticking out further.laramieskibum wrote: Improved approach angle against something else with a winch on a cummins truck not a stock wagon. If your going to stuff a winch in front of a diesel ram truck it has to be as short as possible. Any additional length reduces the approach angle. Height plays in also but my point is that the bumper is no longer than it needs to be, it is as short as it can get which was important to me (but not to wagon owners, they are already stuffed and just want stouter). No doubt the bumper is worse in approach angle for wagon owners, no brainer, but is a relevant option for diesels.
The AEV bumper, as nice looking as it is, is the same height all the way across. It mimics the factory design completely.
You can approach on a corner better with the ARB with your diesel than you could with the AEV bumper. That was my point about that.
Or is it Android vs iOS these days.
When I asked, why so much, he said he had to buy a minimum of xx # of gallons, in that color, so he makes the first customer pay for all of it !! Needless to say, I did not have him do my truck. That is just bad business practice & he is no longer in business. To pass the cost of R&D onto the consumers is natural---up to a point. When the performance/durability increase no longer justifies the price, business falls off. But there are also many business's that have niche customers with money to spare. That just ain't the average working man, or in my case, the average retired working man. 
