2014+ Suspension/Lift Options = NOTHING

[OffroadTreks]

WTF? Why are there no good suspension options for the new trucks that aren't worse than factory? And don't tell me Thuren. His coils provide NO LIFT and are 20% softer than factory. So maybe a little more downward travel, but you're not gaining much.

Carli, oh man. Who the F do they expect to buy this system?

For $6265.00 you can have even less suspension travel than stock. (assuming stock is 13 inches each side)

It makes so little sense that no one is offering anything for PW owners. And the 3-inch and 6-inch kits for diesel guys aren't much better in terms of flex.

Does this mean the AEV kit is really the best the market can do?

So basically no solutions for gaining an inch on 2014+ models without using a plastic spacer? Got it.

[Z's2016PW]

The front coils for both Carli and Tauren will give our wagons 1 inch of lift. The rears for both don't give any lift. However, Carli's are based off of the diesel so the payload for our trucks would improve. Thurens would probably keep our payload the same. Maybe a slight improvement.

[OffroadTreks]

The front coils for both Carli and Tauren will give our wagons 1 inch of lift. The rears for both don't give any lift. However, Carli's are based off of the diesel so the payload for our trucks would improve. Thurens would probably keep our payload the same. Maybe a slight improvement.

I actually sent him an email to get a clarification of this point today.

Yes, the front will level. Thuren's springs would be 20% softer than our stock ones and thus the same height unloaded. But they will sag worse when loaded. Overall minor improvement in downward flex. Not a lot of gain for the effort or price, in my opinion. Increased flex/height is what I was after.

And hell I just want an inch.

And Reloader before you mention 37s

[DamageWagon]

Mike I think we can figure something out when you get to Portland. Stock travel on my 2011 was about 8", hence my custom shock towers to fit longer shocks. 10/12" is a nice upgrade. If you're open to doing a little fab I really think you can put some more serious shocks on these trucks. The coil spring becomes the issue, we can check out what it wants to put out in terms of droop. Coilovers offer unlimited possibilities...

And the Carli price tag is ridiculous, especially for the ride quality their shocks are going to give you.

[OffroadTreks]

I want a 1-inch lift, front, and rear. Not a level. And I don't' want to compromise the already not wonderful squat since I haul/tow. I'm willing to add bags, but that shouldn't be an automatic requirement.

It just amazes me how limited the market is in scope. Obviously, people pay for this. I see diesel guys getting these all the time on IG.

Also, I believe 2014+ suspension has more travel upfront unless I'm wrong. Can't recall now.

[Reloaderguy]

So put Thuren 3" springs in the front and a 1" spacer in the rear. Or buy a 3" rear diesel coil. No one makes a hemi specific rear coil, they're all diesel coils. With 3" Thuren front coils will still give you 1" of rake.

[black_hawk8888]

So put Thuren 3" springs in the front and a 1" spacer in the rear. Or buy a 3" rear diesel coil. No one makes a hemi specific rear coil, they're all diesel coils. With 3" Thuren front coils will still give you 1" of rake.

What he said. Not sure why you don't want Thuren? I have their 2014+ PW specific coils and track bar and it lifted the front about 1 5/8" while retaining stock ride and great flex - feels pretty much the same as stock the only difference is it looks close to leveled although there is a small bit of rake left. More room for flex and a bit more ground clearance too... Lot more expensive than the truxxx spacer kit but for the way you run your rig its worth every penny. The Thuren stuff was the only way I was going to go away from the stock PW suspension.

[OffroadTreks]

So put Thuren 3" springs in the front and a 1" spacer in the rear. Or buy a 3" rear diesel coil. No one makes a hemi specific rear coil, they're all diesel coils. With 3" Thuren front coils will still give you 1" of rake.

What he said. Not sure why you don't want Thuren? I have their 2014+ PW specific coils and track bar and it lifted the front about 1 5/8" while retaining stock ride and great flex - feels pretty much the same as stock the only difference is it looks close to leveled although there is a small bit of rake left. More room for flex and a bit more ground clearance too... Lot more expensive than the truxxx spacer kit but for the way you run your rig its worth every penny. The Thuren stuff was the only way I was going to go away from the stock PW suspension.

Again..

Do not want a level.

Do not want to compromise downward travel so no diesel coils, do not want worse squat necessitating I move to bags.

Want increased height in the rear without a spacer. But currently, no one does that. Adding Thuren springs in the rear would mean bags and cradles. They're 20% softer and only the same height as ours when unloaded, according to the email I received today. So while downward travel would increase, squat would become worse, especially since I tow and am planning on a RTT. That would become a problem.

The point of this thread though, is to ask aloud, why there aren't things on the market for the Hemi's that are greater than 3" over stock. I can't imagine that the market is that small it's not worth developing for.

Maybe coil overs is the answer.

[OffroadTreks]

BTW, let's just answer the AEV Lift debate once and for all, shall we.

This is what happens when you go back to regular 2500 springs.

I'll let the pictures do the talking. Same obstacle, same line.

[olyelr]

If you want more than 3", heres an option http://store.dodgeoffroad.com/Dodge-Off ... p_198.html But it wont leave you will the stinkbug stance that you are after.

If you want a full suspension that keeps the rear higher than the back, your fawked (other than AEV, if you consider that a suspension kit). Most manufacturers end up with a level stance... that is the norm. Just pick the suspension of your dreams and add a 1" rear spacer.

[Reloaderguy]

Once you get over 3" of lift in the front you need relocation brackets which kills your uptravel. Superlifr sells a +2" rear coil if towing is important to you. All 2500 rear coils are diesel coils.

Most people serious about towing don't put 37s and a 4" lift on their truck. If keeping up with my glorious best year Power Wagon is getting you all hangry you're going to have to sacrifice...or admit you're cock blocked dragging around your shiny egg.

[flattire]

[OffroadTreks]

Just wait till you do see what we've got in store.

[DamageWagon]

Rear suspension relying on short arms means that you can only lift so far before the suspension geometry becomes ridiculous or springs pop out of carriers. Coilovers are the do-what-you-want-within-reason solution, but they are expensive and require custom fab. Or, make rear long arms. Which would be SWEET.

[OffroadTreks]

So I should save more money?

[black_hawk8888]

So I should save more money?

You can fit 37s without any problems on the back wheels so there doesn't seem to be a lot of incentive to build taller coils that probably would require a total redesign of the rear suspension. Guess this is the downside to the new coil rears..sshhhh, don't give the pre 2014 guys another reason to make fun of us - they already have the 4.56 gears stock hah

[olyelr]

Take a few more pull's off the Knob Creek and pretty soon we will be listening to chitchat about front and rear coilovers, triangulated 4 links, 40's, AEV flares, fallen panty's... all with only 3" in the front and up the rear.

[DamageWagon]

So I should save more money?

I will make your truck do whatever you want.

[DamageWagon]

So for those who don't know... MikeKey tows, and would like his 2014 to both be a good tow rig and a good Power Wagon at the same time. Hence the conundrum. Stock with PW springs and their inherent squat, or go aftermarket and prioritize one of those two things? I like the earlier trucks, it doesn't seem like there's a really good answer to the new trucks in terms of having both payload and offroad capability in one package. Yet.

[04Ram2500Hemi]

BTW, let's just answer the AEV Lift debate once and for all, shall we.

This is what happens when you go back to regular 2500 springs.

I'll let the pictures do the talking. Same obstacle, same line.

I thought it was just the front shocks that had to be changed on the Power Wagon for the AEV lift to work?

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I just saw this on the AEV Forum. I was wrong about the springs.

https://forum.aev-conversions.com/showt ... hp?t=10644

I guess I should have read the op better.
The PW does sit about 1.5" taller in the front and 1" in the rear.
The PW springs do have less load capacity in the front (FGAWR 4700 vs 5500)
In order to fit the AEV kit, the non-PW springs must be used to get the geometry correct. It was designed to be a 3" lift in the front, 2" in the rear over the non PW height. The 3" lift from the standard height as well as the way the kit moves the axle forward is plenty to run 37s. Its important that the front AND rear springs are swapped in order to have the proper frequencies (think the front end bouncing at one rate and the rear bouncing much faster...they need to be designed as a matched set!) The part numbers are in the instructions. No noticeable difference in articulation.
If you were to use the PW springs the steering would be off and frankly you just don't need that much lift. You do need the added capacity when running a bumper and winch and gear which is how we consider most AEV customers.

The ProCal will work to adjust tire size and gear ratio.

Currently there are no gears on the market for the new trucks other than 4.10 but we're working hard to change that. We should have 4.56 available soon and hopefully 4.88 which is what would be necessary for a gas truck to run the 40s.

[Reloaderguy]

I've seen pictures of an PW with an AEV lift and stock PW springs.

[OffroadTreks]

https://forum.aev-conversions.com/showt ... hp?t=10644

No noticeable difference in articulation.

F*ing AEV. Yeah if you're on 40's yeah, sure whateverz.

I just saw this on the AEV Forum. I was wrong about the springs.

https://forum.aev-conversions.com/showt ... hp?t=10644

Currently there are no gears on the market for the new trucks other than 4.10 but we're working hard to change that. We should have 4.56 available soon and hopefully 4.88 which is what would be necessary for a gas truck to run the 40s.

Do they just pull crap out of their butt over there? Becuase adeluca73 already added 4:88's to his 2014 that don't magically exist. Oh wait, AEV will only use X gears because something something factory.

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I could get 1 inch easily with 37's. I might actually do that after watching GTOMike just roll over stuff I kept banging on. But his truck just has a great stance and it sits a tad higher.

The fact is, I might just go with a coil spacer in the rear and Thurens up front and call it a day. But I want to grumble outloud.


What I really wanted to avoid was hitching up and having my front ended skyward while the rear drags. There is no perfect solution. And bags and coils might be in the future. The other thing is, I'm planning on adding a rack and RTT to the truck so.

You know what I want to see, we need to get a RTI ramp and put some of these side by side and get some real numbers. Especially the AEV.

[DamageWagon]

Whatever idiot said the new trucks only have 4.10 gears should be fired. After his head is surgically removed from his ass.

[olyelr]

Whatever idiot said the new trucks only have 4.10 gears should be fired. After his head is surgically removed from his ass.

That comment was made back in 2015...