My 2016 finally arrived.

[Will]

One of my biggest pet peeves with my 2010 is the damn dash lights. I absolutely hate the fact they turn on wide ass open bright when you turn your headlights off and can't turn them off when them on. Pain in the ass at night, pull up somewhere and want to leave the truck running but turn off the lights and it looks like a fucking UFO landed in the cab. I had an '03 and '07 Ram 1500's where you could turn the dash lights completely off with the dimmer switch. Can't do it in this truck that I know of... I've spent a few hours messing with the dimmer switch and trying to see if I could find a single source wire to tap into to kill the interior lights when needed. While hog hunting with nightvison, I have been stuffing a towel in the instrument panel and taping one to the dash to drape over the radio and that shit gets old.

[huntinguy]

I'm not sure if its the same axle but I do know that 2014 C&C trucks don't have the CAD.

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[loveracing1988]

I'm not sure if its the same axle but I do know that 2014 C&C trucks don't have the CAD.

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Depends on the truck, the 4500's and higher get a sterling front axle.

[RAM4ROKS]

Sorry to hear about your disappointment in your truck snowsled!

I pretty much never wheel my truck in anything but low range (wherein it says "Traction Control off") and have never noticed it kick in in any way. I have had it not allow the truck to move at all once, when in 2wd starting from a stop with tires covered in clay mud. Mine seems a bit too aggressive on wet roads but, it never seems a safety hazard, it just is a buzzkill. (though, it can be a little disconcerting as it causes the truck to suddenly have traction in mid slide causing the truck to rock) On dry pavement, it will allow a sufficient powerslide to necessitate countersteering before it will kick in. Overall, I'd rather not have it but it hasn't proven to be enough of a nuisance to need a bypass, IMO. In what snow we've gotten down here the traction control has done fine whether 2wd or 4wd, it just kills the fun factor.

I could be wrong but, didn't 2010 and 2011 4th gens come without traction control??? (maybe a 2010 or 2011 would be a good choice for you snowsled?) I thought it was mandated in 2012+

The CAD is the main reason why I will not ever trade mine for a 13+, what idiot thought it was a good idea to install a failure prone system like that?!?!

Only if someone comes out with a CAD elimination kit would I consider a trade. Even then, I would get a 3500 and build it to be like a PW as I am not enamored with the coil sprung rearend of the 2500s.

As for the throttle by wire, maybe something is different with the 6.4??? I have only had difficulty with it twice. Both times it has felt like the truck was dying on a steep incline whilst offroad. Makes it feel like it is not getting any gas.(sputtering) I wheel the truck a lot so, only twice really is not bad at all. Other than that, I honestly can't say it acts any differently than a mechanical setup. (better than some I've driven!)

[MitchPeder7]

Is there anyway to by-pass the traction control?

A tuner like the trinity Diablo sport should.


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[waldo]

Is there anyway to by-pass the traction control?

A tuner like the trinity Diablo sport should.


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Last time I looked, none of the turners work on the new trucks(yet) without buying a cracked PCM with the tuner.

[loveracing1988]

Is there anyway to by-pass the traction control?

A tuner like the trinity Diablo sport should.


Sent while I'm killing time at work

Last time I looked, none of the turners work on the new trucks(yet) without buying a cracked PCM with the tuner.

For 2015 and new that is still correct.

[Snowsled]

Sorry to hear about your disappointment in your truck snowsled!

I pretty much never wheel my truck in anything but low range (wherein it says "Traction Control off") and have never noticed it kick in in any way. I have had it not allow the truck to move at all once, when in 2wd starting from a stop with tires covered in clay mud. Mine seems a bit too aggressive on wet roads but, it never seems a safety hazard, it just is a buzzkill. (though, it can be a little disconcerting as it causes the truck to suddenly have traction in mid slide causing the truck to rock) On dry pavement, it will allow a sufficient powerslide to necessitate countersteering before it will kick in. Overall, I'd rather not have it but it hasn't proven to be enough of a nuisance to need a bypass, IMO. In what snow we've gotten down here the traction control has done fine whether 2wd or 4wd, it just kills the fun factor.

I could be wrong but, didn't 2010 and 2011 4th gens come without traction control??? (maybe a 2010 or 2011 would be a good choice for you snowsled?) I thought it was mandated in 2012+

The CAD is the main reason why I will not ever trade mine for a 13+, what idiot thought it was a good idea to install a failure prone system like that?!?!

Only if someone comes out with a CAD elimination kit would I consider a trade. Even then, I would get a 3500 and build it to be like a PW as I am not enamored with the coil sprung rearend of the 2500s.

As for the throttle by wire, maybe something is different with the 6.4??? I have only had difficulty with it twice. Both times it has felt like the truck was dying on a steep incline whilst offroad. Makes it feel like it is not getting any gas.(sputtering) I wheel the truck a lot so, only twice really is not bad at all. Other than that, I honestly can't say it acts any differently than a mechanical setup. (better than some I've driven!)

You know, if it was just one or two issues, I would probably just deal with it. It is a long list of issues though, some with fixes, most without.

Traction Control... I could probably live with it long enough for a tuner type solution to come along.
Throttle control... On mine it changes when in low range, it sucks. They meant it to be easier for rock crawling, I assure you it is not.
CAD... Yes dumb, just plain dumb
Winch protection circuit... Really? dumbing it down for the masses. Problem is, this truck doesn't sell to the masses.
Automatic transmission... NEVER again. I will hold out as long as possible. The programming is ridiculous. It holds gears when it shouldn't, drops gears when it shouldn't. The ERS buttons are mostly worthless only limiting upshifts but not downshifts. Easily my biggest regret, not that the manufacturers leave you much choice anymore...
Hill Descent Control... Must be one of the most idiotic things I have ever experienced. It runs purely on the brakes, doesn't use any engine braking. I keep wondering what happens if I set it and run a long grade. Does it warn you before you overheat the brakes or just let them fail on the mountain? I tried it, don't use it anymore.
Payload... Cut in HALF? Similar to a minivan?

I thought it would be a really cool truck. I was going to buy a regular tradesman but the PW seemed to be a steal by comparison. I was wrong, had my priorities screwed up. I want something heavier to get back into plowing anyway. Thanks for indulging my rant. Sorry for the hi-jack.

[nts007]

Didn't you have a pw before? Winch protection has always been installed. No newer truck will come without the things you're upset about. And I understand fully. Auto tranny. Well manual is either real special order or pure luck used. Drive by wire? It's been round since 04 in the cummins. My 06 wagon had it and it wasn't that bad. But it did engine brake. I could go down a long grade in 4 low 1st and it would hold back. No brakes just engine. Traction control. Yea. Well. The axle disconnect. I don't see why it cant be eliminated eventually.

Now here's what I'm getting at. In 5 years when payments are done. And warranty is off (or sooner) you have to start paying for stuff. At that point we (us) would be upgrading and modifying the truck for (our) specific needs. The pw is and always has been a great platform. Starting platform. It has been overly capable compared to any other off road package offered that comes with warranty. So why would you want to sell this one. Cause in 5 years I guarantee that the minor Nannys that bother you now will be nothing like what will be installed in 5 years. How about a off roadable 3/4 ton truck with a 6.4 hemi that STOPS!! By itself when it thinks you gonna have a collision with the rock you are gonna climb over.
It's only getting worse. Personally I would keep the truck and slowly figure out how to de dumb-fuck it over a couple years. Mechanically you still have a extremely tough truck.

My opinion obviously and like i said. I really do understand.

[MoparToYou]

I hate the electronic nannys as much as the next guy, but the hill decent control is actually quite nice. A few weekends ago I used it to descend a badly washed out dugway off of a plateau in the Arizona desert. In low range 4x4 you can hit the descent control button, and it will hold the exact snail's pace you have chosen. If you want to slow down or speed up you can use the (+) and (-) buttons on the shift lever that normally changes gears for you. But when in hill decent mode they add or subtract speed by small margins. You can set the hill decent control at 0.3 mph, and if that is too slow, tap the (+) button, and speed it up to 0.7 mph. Tap the (+) button again, and increase speed to 1.0 mph. Tap the (+) button a few more times and increase speed to 2.3 mph. If that is too fast just tap the (-) button and decrease speed to 2.0 mph. The amount of control is incredible, and it makes descending very technically challenging grades much easier.

[nts007]

I can't see overheating the brakes like this. Compared to slowing down 8k lbs of truck plus 18k lbs on a trailer (brakes are the same as diesels) holding the truck at .3-2mph should be able to go indefinantly

[MoparToYou]

Hill descent control would never overheat the brakes the way I was using it. That was one nasty downhill, very steep, and very rutted, and about 1/4 mile long. At one point I had to straddle a rain rut that was about 4 feet deep, in loose sandy soil with various sized rocks in it, up to about 2 feet in diameter. My friend that was riding shotgun that day got out and walked down the hill, he was too scared to stay in the truck. Being able to control speed that precisely was pretty nice. The truck did a far better job of controlling the descent than I would have been able to do.

[Snowsled]

Didn't you have a pw before? Winch protection has always been installed. No newer truck will come without the things you're upset about. And I understand fully. Auto tranny. Well manual is either real special order or pure luck used. Drive by wire? It's been round since 04 in the cummins. My 06 wagon had it and it wasn't that bad. But it did engine brake. I could go down a long grade in 4 low 1st and it would hold back. No brakes just engine. Traction control. Yea. Well. The axle disconnect. I don't see why it cant be eliminated eventually.

Now here's what I'm getting at. In 5 years when payments are done. And warranty is off (or sooner) you have to start paying for stuff. At that point we (us) would be upgrading and modifying the truck for (our) specific needs. The pw is and always has been a great platform. Starting platform. It has been overly capable compared to any other off road package offered that comes with warranty. So why would you want to sell this one. Cause in 5 years I guarantee that the minor Nannys that bother you now will be nothing like what will be installed in 5 years. How about a off roadable 3/4 ton truck with a 6.4 hemi that STOPS!! By itself when it thinks you gonna have a collision with the rock you are gonna climb over.
It's only getting worse. Personally I would keep the truck and slowly figure out how to de dumb-fuck it over a couple years. Mechanically you still have a extremely tough truck.

My opinion obviously and like i said. I really do understand.

I am COMPLETELY disenchanted with new trucks at this point and will be going caveman for my truck needs when the PW is gone. I will switch to having three vehicles instead of two, car, suv, truck instead of a car and a truck. That way each one can be more focused for its use. I will be giving up lots of speed, some comfort but gaining capability and durability. Which will suit my truck needs better. Luxury and passenger carrying ability will be handled by the other two vehicles instead of trying to double duty with the PW. It was a great idea and might work if I took your advice and kept it and modified it. Problem is, I know what a 200k mile Ram truck is like for repairs and, it is not for me. I will keep newer vehicles around for non truck duty but I am going get bigger badder truck and make some money on the side with it as well.

I just can't get used to the idea of paying for a $50k truck and then being mad at the stupid things it does on a daily basis. I wanted to just buy tires and sliders for it and use it for years. The reality is, it needs copious computer mods, front axle mods, transmission swap, winch mods etc etc. It is a cool truck ruined by government mandates and seriously misguided marketing departments.

[Snowsled]

I can't see overheating the brakes like this. Compared to slowing down 8k lbs of truck plus 18k lbs on a trailer (brakes are the same as diesels) holding the truck at .3-2mph should be able to go indefinantly

I should find a safe place to try it. Remember there is zero airflow over the brakes at hill descent speeds, nothing to cool them and riding them for an hour or so downhill wont overheat them? I have my doubts about that.

Besides I will take a manual trans and proper low gear to descend a hill any day over riding the abs down.

[nts007]

I have 291 k km on my truck right now. I bought it used as I would have never wanted new. It originally had 116k km

Just as a reference I paid $27k for the truck
I've put in 26,250.26 litres of fuel totalling $30,653.30
In services and upgrades, everything from tires to oil changes to transmission, every single purchase for the truck $26,356.16
So in 4 years of ownership I have $84 grand in this truck. And you know what. Had I gotten into a $60k truck. Well I'd be into it just that much more right now.
I'm just saying that I'm in the truck for the cost of a new one anyway. I planned 10grand in repairs and upgrades the day I bought it. The joy of buying used.

Would I trade the truck. No. Sell. Not if I can help it. Put another 20 grand into it over the next few years. Yep.

And your 16 is going to become the same way after 4-5 years.

Here is a thought. Come up to Canada. Buy a 06-08 PW for 10-15grand while your dollar is eating ours. And make your truck how you want it.

I do feel your pain. When I bought my 08 the salesman was trying to sell me a 12-13. Told him to F off

[MoparToYou]

I will switch to having three vehicles instead of two, car, suv, truck instead of a car and a truck. That way each one can be more focused for its use. I will be giving up lots of speed, some comfort but gaining capability and durability. Which will suit my truck needs better. Luxury and passenger carrying ability will be handled by the other two vehicles instead of trying to double duty with the PW.

I did that, ... for about three decades. Always had a heavy duty diesel truck that sat in the driveway all the time except for heavy hauling and towing, and had a well set up short wheelbase Jeep (SUV) for me to drive as a daily driver and go exploring in, and a Jeep Grand Cherokee (car) for the wife, and for luxury and passenger carrying ability. Over the decades as diesel trucks got more and more expensive I became tired of seeing that great big chunk of money sitting in the driveway, and for most of the time doing nothing. I sold the Jeep and the diesel truck, and bought a Power Wagon. It works great for me, and does just fine for double duty at less than half the price.

In any case, good luck with whatever you come up with. You've got to do what works for you.

[Snowsled]

I will switch to having three vehicles instead of two, car, suv, truck instead of a car and a truck. That way each one can be more focused for its use. I will be giving up lots of speed, some comfort but gaining capability and durability. Which will suit my truck needs better. Luxury and passenger carrying ability will be handled by the other two vehicles instead of trying to double duty with the PW.

I did that, ... for about three decades. Always had a heavy duty diesel truck that sat in the driveway all the time except for heavy hauling and towing, and had a well set up short wheelbase Jeep (SUV) for me to drive as a daily driver and go exploring in, and a Jeep Grand Cherokee (car) for the wife, and for luxury and passenger carrying ability. Over the decades as diesel trucks got more and more expensive I became tired of seeing that great big chunk of money sitting in the driveway, and for most of the time doing nothing. I sold the Jeep and the diesel truck, and bought a Power Wagon. It works great for me, and does just fine for double duty at less than half the price.

In any case, good luck with whatever you come up with. You've got to do what works for you.

For me, the truck will not sit much. My '15 PW is just shy of 15k miles already after buying it this past summer. My wife will run the car in the summer and the suv in the winter keeping miles down so we can stave off buying something newer with all of the features I despise again.

[Bill2014]

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For me, the truck will not sit much. My '15 PW is just shy of 15k miles already after buying it this past summer. My wife will run the car in the summer and the suv in the winter keeping miles down so we can stave off buying something newer with all of the features I despise again.

You don't have to buy new... There are plenty great vehicles on the used market. In this Internet age it's easy to search for exactly what you want online.

[Bill2014]

...
For me, the truck will not sit much. My '15 PW is just shy of 15k miles already after buying it this past summer. My wife will run the car in the summer and the suv in the winter keeping miles down so we can stave off buying something newer with all of the features I despise again.

You don't have to buy new... There are plenty great vehicles on the used market. In this Internet age it's easy to search for exactly what you want online.

...low mileage - only driven by granny back and forth to church on Sunday

[nts007]

...
For me, the truck will not sit much. My '15 PW is just shy of 15k miles already after buying it this past summer. My wife will run the car in the summer and the suv in the winter keeping miles down so we can stave off buying something newer with all of the features I despise again.

You don't have to buy new... There are plenty great vehicles on the used market. In this Internet age it's easy to search for exactly what you want online.

...low mileage - only driven by granny back and forth to church on Sunday

Only 10k miles. Needs new brake pads and rotors

[Kenadian]

Is there anyway to by-pass the traction control?

A tuner like the trinity Diablo sport should.


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Mitch. The new tuners for these trucks is a replacement PCM and a different tuner. Not sure they have them out yet for this year


I like to break things !!!

[Kenadian]

Is there anyway to by-pass the traction control?

A tuner like the trinity Diablo sport should.


Sent while I'm killing time at work

Mitch. The new tuners for these trucks is a replacement PCM and a different tuner. Not sure they have them out yet for this year

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I like to break things !!!

[Kenadian]

And what's a CAD haha I've ran through a few things but can't figure it out haha


I like to break things !!!

[Snowsled]

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For me, the truck will not sit much. My '15 PW is just shy of 15k miles already after buying it this past summer. My wife will run the car in the summer and the suv in the winter keeping miles down so we can stave off buying something newer with all of the features I despise again.

You don't have to buy new... There are plenty great vehicles on the used market. In this Internet age it's easy to search for exactly what you want online.

Never said I had to buy new. It appears that was my mistake this time around. I am fine with the nannies that came on our '13 GTI. Push a button and it peels out and the stability control will let you drive stupid fast before engaging. I hoped the limits placed on the PW wouldn't bother me either. I was wrong.

Due to the chicken tax and import laws, my next truck will be at minimum 25 years old. Sounds crazy but I am pretty sure it will work out great.

[nts007]

Not crazy. I have a 95 chev sport van 1 ton 4x4 diesel I wouldnt trade for the world. Starts after sitting for 8 months no problem. And I have way more fun in my 93 dodge stealth awd/tt than I ever did in my 07 srt8 charger. The purity of driving has been lost. In my mind with the current generation 06-07 was the final demise.