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Uh-oh, it has started...… updated with more damage!

Post by RAM4ROKS » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:30 am

The other night, I noticed my truck's first real body damage from taking it down tight trails. :doh:
I try to be VERY careful but, nonetheless, I have a nice dent and crease down the passenger side bedside from a tree. Thankfully, you can only see it when the light hits it just right so, hopefully it will go unnoticed by my wife. Also, another tree saw fit to crack my driver's side taillight. These are the first two damages that irk me. (since they'll get my wife angry)

Little non-issue other damage thus far (order may not be right I can't remember exactly):
skidplates are starting to bend (and of course are all sorts of gouged up)
rocksliders of course are all gouged up, lol!
tip of the exhaust is mangled
rear bumper is tweaked with a nice size dent from a tree
^related to that the bottom of my bedside (where the bumper wraps around) has a little gouge in it from the bumper
of course a TON of pinstriping (I think it will all buff out though)
after three days of owning the truck I put a nice deep scratch in the tailgate right next to the handle when I was lifting some guardrail into the bed (the guardrail was for blocking illegal trail bypasses)
mangled one of the hubcaps on a rock, they are surprisingly expensive! (I now take them off to go wheeling!)
bent the heck outta one of the pieces that hangs down vertically from the front of the frame, behind the rear bumper (I believe it to be for the prevention of the truck going up over a car in a collision? I had thought it was for mounting a plow but someone said it was for safety.)
cracked the passenger side mirror housing on a tree
my fender flares are badly scratched
winch cable popped off the ferrule (guess I didn't have enough wraps on the drum) and so I am now the proud owner of a 6" shorter winch cable because I had to cut it where it started to unravel at the end, also the cable has some pretty bad kinks in it now from when I had to winch up an entire section of a trail in the mud. (I don't think any of the kinks are bad enough to warrant replacement but, they're still annoying!) I should have paid better attention to how it was laying on the drum, lesson learned. Had to pull the cable out like 7 times (IIRC) in a row for that one section, just couldn't get any traction! Every time I stopped the winch, I was stuck! But, on occasion, I got a little traction whilst the winch was going, shooting the truck forward putting slack in the cable which was then taken up by the winch, forming a new kink. :doh:

Non-wheeling related:
my fender flares are badly scratched got added to by my buddy's gate on his property
pinstriping got added to by some trees in a tight turn in a parking lot downtown (that was actually the first bad pinstriping)
Nice sized dent and a couple good sized scratches in the bedlined bed floor both from hauling a junk basketball hoop setup to the dump (for the destroyed surprisingly heavy fiberglass backboard) and the scrap metal place (for the surprisingly huge pipe setup the backboard was mounted to, it was around 120lb IIRC).

This is all in 7.5 months, like 8400 miles! :doh:

Like I say the only two that really irk me are the bedside and the taillight. I guess I better start getting used to it though! :roll:
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Post by myoung84 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:21 am

That sucks! But if you use the truck for it's intended purpose, this kind of damage is inevitable. You should chop off the exhaust after the axle. That will eliminate that problem. I had them do it when I had my new muffler installed, which also eliminated the unwanted resonator.

I don't have too many visible pin stripes on the upper portion of the truck (white paint helps a lot with this) but the black lower portion including the front powder coated bumper and the flares do have some nice striping. The only dents I have so far is a rock I took in the front edge of the hood at 75 MPH shortly after I bought it and some dents on the inside of the tailgate and the bed floor from a piss-poor fork lift driver loading some trees in the bed. Neither of which bother me.

The one that really pissed me off was right after I bought my wheels and 34" Nitto trail grapplers I went out to do some "testing". I was driving over a creek bed at the bottom of the dam which was mostly larger size round rocks. I hit the front axle skid plate on a rock and when I goosed it to pop over the rock, I broke through to the sand on the left side and wasn't going anywhere. My left front tire was pretty deep and once I finally winched out (using and old chevy as an anchor) one of my brand new wheels was scratched to hell from scraping on rocks in the sand. $500 later, I had a 5th wheel and tire to replace it and use the scratched one as the spare. This one kind of pissed off the wife. LOL
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Post by 05PWrockcrawler » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:34 pm

Drive it like you stole it lol. If you use it offroad it's eventually gonna get a ton of body damage. Mine is scratched up everywhere! Back bumper dented up, front bumper dented, skid plates dented up, bed dented up, etc. gonna build a flatbed once I beat it up some more. You only live once so enjoy it.

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Post by MSCH2112 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:36 pm

it's all sheet metal and cosmetics. As long as it is in good mechanical condition, i have no fear of dings and scratches.

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Post by RAM4ROKS » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:42 pm

myoung84- Have you noticed any annoying drone at highway speeds with Magnaflow replacing the stock muffler and the resonator gone? I'd like to get rid of the resonator and replace the muffler with something a bit less ummm... muffling so that my truck will sound more aggressive but, I am worried about drone since I drive on the highway a lot!

That sucks about the rock to the front edge of your hood, ouch! Inside the bed, yeah, I agree I don't really care. The wheel getting messed up, dang that'd piss me off too!!!! That sucks! But, at least you got a matching spare outta that! My wife gets pissed at every little tiny damage, guess she'll have to used to it though, it is an off road truck!

05PWrockcrawler- In the past I'd always been lucky when it comes to offroad damage, never any sheetmetal damage on any truck up until this one! DOH!!! I agree though, it's worth it for the enjoyment!

MSCH2112- Oh yeah, I try to keep things PERFECT mechanically speaking! The dings and scratches though, I guess I will just have to get used to! This truck is one of the few vehicles where my offroader and my DD are one in the same. For many years, I had two vehicles. My wife said if I got this truck, I wasn't allowed to get a second vehicle! (not that I'd want to drive something else anyway!)

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Post by stamm20 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:33 am

The drone really ain't two bad dodge's cabs are sealed pretty well. I have a 3 in flow master and a 3 in dump and on the highway it's not bad at all the tires are prolly louder then the exhaust
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Post by whitey » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:44 am

:lol: If you never plan on selling it then don't worry about the cosmetics just function. You seem to be enjoying what your truck can do and you're learning how to get more out of it everytime you are on the trail. You have seen my truck up close and I'll tell you that I wouldn't trade it for any brand new truck on the market. All the dents and scratches cover up how much money is tied up in the truck. That's the way I see it. Right now people call it the trail whale but I bet the future name will be called the raisin! I'll be honest though, if you keep wheeling at uwharrie then your going to get more dents. And I'm sure your truck will get named too. I say just keep upgrading the broken parts and keep my cell handy when you get in a pinch.

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Post by 05PWrockcrawler » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:39 am

Love this statement and so damn true. All the dents and scratches hide all the money I have dumped into my truck! Hell yeah!

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RAM4ROKS wrote:myoung84- Have you noticed any annoying drone at highway speeds with Magnaflow replacing the stock muffler and the resonator gone? I'd like to get rid of the resonator and replace the muffler with something a bit less ummm... muffling so that my truck will sound more aggressive but, I am worried about drone since I drive on the highway a lot!

That sucks about the rock to the front edge of your hood, ouch! Inside the bed, yeah, I agree I don't really care. The wheel getting messed up, dang that'd piss me off too!!!! That sucks! But, at least you got a matching spare outta that! My wife gets pissed at every little tiny damage, guess she'll have to used to it though, it is an off road truck!
The definition of drone seems to vary greatly from person to person but I don't think my exhaust drones at all on the the highway. You still hear it but it's far from an annoying drone. This is why I always use Magnaflow mufflers. They stay pretty mellow when there isn't much load on the engine. I'm running a 14" and love it. If you want a little less sound you can step up to the 18" which still sounds great but slightly quieter.

I was looking though my build thread on DT and looks like the rock to the hood happened in March 2012, about 3 months after I bought the truck. By looking at my maintenance records, I estimate about 3000 miles on the truck at this time. The first one always hurts the most, especially when it's not self inflicted.

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Then the wheel incident was in July 2012 with a few hundred miles on the new wheels and tires at most. Wife was super pissed at me, more so for getting stuck rather than the wheel damage. There was nobody around when I got stuck and of course nothing to attach the winch cable to. Luckily a couple of guys in an old Chevy pulled up to go fishing and kindly let me attach to their bumper to pull myself out. This was when I decided a hi-lift with tire mate would be GREAT to have. This is also the last time my wife was invited to go wheeling with me. :duel:

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Post by LKelly » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:09 am

The way I look at it, all the battle scars just mean that you don't have to worry about it anymore - so you can take new trails you wouldn't have attempted when your truck was still new and shiny. Heck, now I can't even tell if the dents are new or old...except when I bust the taillights, or knock of one off the mirrors. I'm also on my 6th or 7th radio antenna, but luckily I know someone with a junkyard so I can get new ones for free. Needless to say my truck doesn't have a snorkel. :D

Lately I've been exploring the old railroad grades from 100 years ago when they logged this area of the country, which I wouldn't be able to do if I had to worry about scratches and dents. Here's a short video of one of the "trails":
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This old abandoned railroad grade is the only access to this portion of public land for miles around, and since it's technically illegal to cut any of the trees/brush you'd never be able to use it without getting some body damage. Plus, the trail goes on like this for miles - so trimming the brush would take forever even if you could legally do it.

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Post by RAM4ROKS » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:40 am

I just looked and I actually have "pinstriping" on my roof, LOL! (As I am sure you have plenty of as well LKelly!) That's definitely a tight "road" you're on there! I believe I'd be rigging up something in the way of cable runners or plexiglass shields or something to keep the branches off my windshield! Thanks for posting the video!

myoung84- thanks for the info on the exhaust! Eventually I think I will be looking at getting one, the truck is just too quiet! The "Hemi tick" makes more noise than anything! That stone chip would be a total bummer (I believe I mighta cried!), same with the wheel!!! Also, good thing those guys in the Chevy came along!

Not that you'd want to do this with a nice spare but- an old trick for getting unstuck when there's nothing to anchor to is to bury your spare. Thread a tree saver through the hub hole (wrapping it around the tire and put some padding where it's hitting the edge of the hub hole with the center of the strap), attach the winch hook to the eyes of the strap and start digging! If you're really bad stuck, it likely won't work (since our rigs are so heavy) but, for something not too bad, it ought to be able to give you the tug you need! This does assume you carry a shovel at all times (I have a little compact camping shovel I store under my backseat, it'd take me a loooooooooong time digging but, I'd manage eventually, LOL!) Another thing you could buy is a Pull-pal (they cost a fortune but, if you commonly wheel alone out where there aren't any anchors, it could be worth it!):
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whitey- LOL!!! IDK, you can get a heck of a lot more dents and I think it still won't hide all the cool mods you've done to that rig of yours!!! Your truck is called the Trail Whale? That's hilarious!- that's what a couple Jeeper buddies call mine too! I was thinking about getting a sticker made of it for my back window!

Thanks for the offer of help if I'm in a pinch, I know y'all are good for it! I've seen ya! Speaking of which- did y'all manage to get the Cherokee (I can't recall the owners name) up and going again? I rode up to the end of the trail with that JK guy (I got stupidly stuck and we ran into some traffic so it took quite a while! (posted pics of the stuck in the pics thread)), parted ways with him (once we got to the main road) and turned around to come back and check on y'all (got back to where we left y'all at about 8:00pm) looked around a bit but didn't see anybody so, I turned back around again and headed out. It was an interesting time since it got dark FAST! I hadn't gone night wheeling in about 10 years so, I was having a bit of a time of it, DOH!!!

stamm20- thanks for the input on the exhaust, what series Flowmaster are you running?

05PWrockcrawler- you better start denting the heck outta your truck then, those sweet Hutchinsons are gonna be hard to hide, LOL! :drool: (thanks to Pit Slave, I know where the drool icon is now! LOL!)

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Post by RAM4ROKS » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:46 am

I told myself I wasn't gonna go wheelin again until my lift and tires are on but.... looks like I'll be out at Uwharrie again saturday afternoon, LOL!

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If I waited for a lift and better tires I would never go wheeling lol. These things are made to go play with.

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Post by whitey » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:46 pm

LKelly wrote:The way I look at it, all the battle scars just mean that you don't have to worry about it anymore - so you can take new trails you wouldn't have attempted when your truck was still new and shiny. Heck, now I can't even tell if the dents are new or old...except when I bust the taillights, or knock of one off the mirrors. I'm also on my 6th or 7th radio antenna, but luckily I know someone with a junkyard so I can get new ones for free. Needless to say my truck doesn't have a snorkel. :D

Lately I've been exploring the old railroad grades from 100 years ago when they logged this area of the country, which I wouldn't be able to do if I had to worry about scratches and dents. Here's a short video of one of the "trails":
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This old abandoned railroad grade is the only access to this portion of public land for miles around, and since it's technically illegal to cut any of the trees/brush you'd never be able to use it without getting some body damage. Plus, the trail goes on like this for miles - so trimming the brush would take forever even if you could legally do it.
Okay now that video is funny! Do you realize how many guys cringed listening to the branches scraping the truck? You sir are a wild man! I hate to ask again but are you still doing this alone?

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05PWrockcrawler wrote:If I waited for a lift and better tires I would never go wheeling lol. These things are made to go play with.
LOL! That's the mistake I made with my JK Unlimited Rubicon I had. I kept on saying "after this... after that..." I had it for a year and a half and never took it wheeling. That's one of the reasons why I took the Power Wagon wheeling on the second day I had it!!!!

LKelly- I meant to ask you, what happens if you reach a point in the "road" that is completely impassable? It doesn't look like there's any possible way whatsoever to turn around!

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Gotta get out there and have fun! Wheeling in the great outdoors is awesome! Doesn't get any better.

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whitey - Yeah, most of the time I'm wheeling by myself...for some reason other folks aren't willing to abuse their trucks the way I abuse mine. :D On the other extreme are the guys who have the purpose-built mud rigs running boggers or tractor tires...but for the most part those guys would rather 'wheel in a bottomless mud pit. Not that I have a problem with mud, but I prefer my mud to be shallow enough that it doesn't run in through the doors. :)

I have been better lately about getting stuck, and haven't had to call in a PW-extraction vehicle since this past winter. That's actually a big problem on the trails I've been taking lately, since anything big/heavy enough to pull out the Power Wagon would be too large to fit down the trails I take. Perhaps what I need to do is build something the size of an ATV that weighs 10,000 pounds...then I'd always have a rescue vehicle when I needed one. :D

RAM4ROKS - Yeah, turning around on those trails is a big issue - and is the main reason I remove the taillights. It's tough to back up on a tight trail when the mirrors are both folded back, and the truck cap blocks most of the rearward view. At one point I had rigged up an old laptop with a webcam and was using that as a back-up camera, but there really wasn't any good way to aim it so that I could see all the trees and overhanging branches.

On the trail I took the video there's probably about one decent turn-around spot per mile...and a mile is a looooooong way to back up on a trail like that. Even if there weren't any trees there wouldn't be anyplace to turn around, as there is a ditch on each side of the railroad grade and I'd just end up high-centered.

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Post by flattire » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:00 pm

I was going to comment on ram4roks post.

Then I saw the "railroad" video.

I can not think of anything to say now.


(Note to self) : NEVER , and I mean NEVER , loan PW to anyone. :idea:

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flattire wrote:I was going to comment on ram4roks post.

Then I saw the "railroad" video.

I can not think of anything to say now.


(Note to self) : NEVER , and I mean NEVER , loan PW to anyone. :idea:
:rofl: You're one of those guys who made 20 faces watching the video!

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flattire wrote:(Note to self) : NEVER , and I mean NEVER , loan PW to anyone. :idea:
That's probably a good idea...I mean, I tell folks who borrow mine to park way out in the lot away from the other cars so that it won't get scratched, but you never really know if they actually do it.
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Seriously, even though I'm really rough on my PW's body I'm actually pretty picky about the drivetrain - and I rarely loan it out. Not that most folks seem to want to borrow it, for some odd reason. The other day the kid at the gas station asked me if I'd "hit something" with it...and I wasn't sure how to answer that. In the end I just told him that I'd hit a lot of things with it, and he gave me an odd look. :D

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Hell yeah. I can see his facial expression right now! Lol

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That video made chills run down my spine. LOL. I guess I'm still in the "too shiny and new" category and I'm not ready for major trail damage yet. :poke:
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Do you remember the sound chalk made on a blackboard sometimes during school?

Those branches are worse.

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flattire wrote:Do you remember the sound chalk made on a blackboard sometimes during school?

Those branches are worse.
Yeah when you get your truck you wash it all the time and then after a few scratches you start saying it will be alright. Only another scratch then the next thing you know there isn't a spot that isn't scratched lol

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Post by RAM4ROKS » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:08 pm

SOOOO….. guess I forgot to post up my new damage, first my bedside about a month ago- I think I may want to stay off Jeep trails with names like "Rattlesnake", LOL!!!:
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Yes, this is one of the King shocks I just put on (tape on the shock is to keep contaminants out (of the hole that passes fluid to the reservoir that got tore off) since it was raining and muddy):
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Here's how it broke:
Everybody including my spotter said:
"Take the easy path to the right!!!"
I said:
"NAW!!! I can TOTALLY make the hard line on the left side!!!" (DOH!!!)
Reservoir said:
"Ker-snap!"
Bystander picked it up and said:
"Hey, I think this belongs to you."

I did make the hard line though!!! (Aside from the reservoir)


I was with a big group so, wasn't able to deal with it immediately. (Also, I'm not enamored with crawling under a truck that's sitting on a greasy clay slope!) it started POURING rain right when I went to take it off, got completely soaked!

(VERY grateful to the other Power Wagon guy in our club, he let me borrow some of his tools to disconnect the shock (I had some but couldn't find my breaker bar) he also let me borrow a strap to tie the shock up away from the axle, and got soaked as well helping me!) I told him about this site so, hopefully he'll join up!

I had to leave the shock attached at the top mount, couldn't bust the bolt loose, had to use a cheater bar at home. (I had my retorque done at the dealer since it was nasty weather at retorque time and I didn't feel like getting pneumonia in my driveway, lol! I think the guy went a little overboard, aren't shock mounts like 100ft-lbs?)

I taped the hole in the shock (the flow hole to the reservoir) shut to keep contaminants out, compressed the shock, and tied it to the frame for the ride home. On the highway, I honestly couldn't feel the difference between shock and none BUT, offroad, whoa! Hope to never have to run sans shock again!

Oh, on the subject of shocks (before I broke mine)- I now see how guys with Kings get themselves in trouble of not being able to resist launching their trucks!!! Puttering about, they are very firm but, when I started hitting whoops with a little speed, they soaked them up and begged for more!!! I was not about to go faster though, too much greasy clay and too many trees to the sides of a tight twisty trail! Didn't feel like totally the truck in the name of shock testing, lol!!! I was impressed though!

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