Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

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Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by Overlander » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:05 pm

Yes, The terrible question "how to get more power"
Im contemplating throwing some more $$ @ the rig and the only thing left on my list is power/torque and delivery.

Let me start by saying the power is fine until I get to about 9000 ft pulling a trailer, I doesn't help that my right leg is longer than the left and slow is not an option!
So what I have come across is:

#1.Supercharger (not sure if intercooler plumbing will fit with PW)
#2.Top End (throw some fancy heads,cam throttle body ect)
#3.High performance engine (my favorite choice but holly bankroll! :jawdrop: )

Im thinking upgraded Trans or maybe if I could get away with it a better torque converter to complement any of the above mods.
My main concern is THE STUFF HAS TO WORK FLAWLESSLY AND BE BULLETPROOF!

Just about everything on this truck has been mod-ed but the only engine "performance" is CAI,Headers,Y-pipe and E.cut out .
I have 97,000 on the clock and would rather not spend more than $12k on engine & trans. My theory is if Im making the effort to get in there for 1 thing, I might as well do the things around it.

If I could get at least 35-50 more ftlbs of useable torque I would be happy.
Need some advice!
Thanks,
Ken
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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by VA_Wagon Man » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:11 pm

I always say, build your drive train(transmission mostly) to handle the power and torque you want, BEFORE building the power/torque.

True Cowboy is doing a cam and heads I think, no report back on the progress though......he may chime in. :popcorn:
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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by MSparks909 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:21 pm

If you're struggling with towing at altitude, you need a supercharger (and an upgraded/built transmission to go with it). You need boost to build more power, especially at higher elevations. I like ProCharger's personally and if I had the $ there'd be one on my truck.
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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by TrueCowboy426 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:15 pm

How much money are you willing to spend? :excited:

As VA, said I'm going to be camming my PW shortly (just waiting on my valve spring removal/change tool). I am going with a KRC 210X which will easily give you the 30+ ft-lbs of torque you are looking for. Take a search around the different forums and you will find vid and commentary on how torquey this cam is. I was going to pull the heads and mill them .030" to bump compression a little, but I've decided to wait until I see how the cam acts, and do progressive changes so I have a feel for what has worked. Just a cam swap like this will only cost you ~$400 for all the parts (I bought a used cam for $250).

If you have a few grand that you are willing to spend, by all means a SC would be kick ass. I personally don't really like the idea of a boosted heavy ass trucks unless they are diesel, but that is just me (unless you have forged pistons/rods I wouldn't want to run above 6-7psi, without hurting reliability). I'm sure there is guys out there that have done it with great success, it's just not for me. Also I don't think there is a specific bolt on kit available for the 05, so I'm sure a fair bit of fab work will be involved. If you do go this route, a whipple/roots style would be best over a centrifugal setup.

Lastly as they always say, there is no replacement for displacement. IMO if your looking for a real kick in the pants, I would look into building a stroker motor. The stroker will give you the torque you are looking for, and still have the reliability of a stock motor. Built right and matched with a good cam, it has all the ability of matching the power of a supercharger, and you should be able to build it for the same cost as piecing together a SC kit. This is the route I'm going to take once I eventually kill the stock 5.7 (I want to build a 392 based 6.1)

I've done quite a bit of research on this, and just take your time and figure out what you really want (and the headaches associate with each). I don't have to worry about trans reliability (well only the clutch) but that is one area you will have to figure out some info on. There is a few options for built 545 RFE's, but driver treatment is a big factor in these autos life. You also would need to have a tuner of some sort for a custom tune (being an 05 I would go SCT) for any of the above options.

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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by 06wagon » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:24 pm

Just a cam and good tuning would get you the 50 ft lbs. I know for my 06, I'm looking at trick heads, throttle body, cam, exhaust, and custom tuning at a $7000 budget. That will put it at 400-425 hp at the wheels.

For the altitude you're talking..... Supercharger! I would just try the cam (one that would work with a charger) and tuning. If still not happy.... Then charger and trans upgrades.
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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by TwinStick » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:38 pm

They just built a 5.7L truck engine on search & restore. It made 525 hp & 497 lb ft of torque. See it on PowerBlocktv.

http://www.powerblocktv.com/player/snr_ ... =SR2012-13 Episode 2 or 3.

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Post by verdesardog » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:47 pm

should have got a cummins....hehe
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Lmao!

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Post by verdesardog » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:37 pm

I forgot to say...and put PW bades on it.... :poke:
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Post by TwinStick » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:53 am

PW badges on a CTD gives you more traction like CTD badges on a PW gives you more power !!! :poke: :rofl:

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Post by doc91w » Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:19 pm

Check out www.sharadon.com. I had them do a tranny and stage 2 valve body. They do incredible engine work and they pricing is really not bad. Ask for Denny. They are one of the best!

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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by jlukas » Wed May 08, 2013 6:06 pm

Overlander wrote:Yes, The terrible question "how to get more power"
Im contemplating throwing some more $$ @ the rig and the only thing left on my list is power/torque and delivery.

Let me start by saying the power is fine until I get to about 9000 ft pulling a trailer, I doesn't help that my right leg is longer than the left and slow is not an option!
So what I have come across is:

#1.Supercharger (not sure if intercooler plumbing will fit with PW)
#2.Top End (throw some fancy heads,cam throttle body ect)
#3.High performance engine (my favorite choice but holly bankroll! :jawdrop: )

Im thinking upgraded Trans or maybe if I could get away with it a better torque converter to complement any of the above mods.
My main concern is THE STUFF HAS TO WORK FLAWLESSLY AND BE BULLETPROOF!

Just about everything on this truck has been mod-ed but the only engine "performance" is CAI,Headers,Y-pipe and E.cut out .
I have 97,000 on the clock and would rather not spend more than $12k on engine & trans. My theory is if Im making the effort to get in there for 1 thing, I might as well do the things around it.

If I could get at least 35-50 more ftlbs of useable torque I would be happy.
Need some advice!
Thanks,
Ken
I think RIPP superchargers has a Cinco deMayo Sale with their supercharger at $3995. Not sure on the 05 PW applications but they have been working on many 5.7 hemi models, tuning, etc.

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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by 05PWrockcrawler » Fri May 10, 2013 4:39 pm

Damn $3995 is cheap. Wonder how much extra HP and torque increase over stock 05 PW

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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by Overlander » Fri May 24, 2013 8:19 pm

Thanks for the helpful replies!

I have decided to attack it at another angle. I ordered a torque converter,programmer and 87mm Throttle body.
I can still build on to this and Im not making a huge commitment.

Hope it works!

Ken
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Post by 06wagon » Mon May 27, 2013 6:27 am

Overlander wrote:Thanks for the helpful replies!

I have decided to attack it at another angle. I ordered a torque converter,programmer and 87mm Throttle body.
I can still build on to this and Im not making a huge commitment.

Hope it works!

Ken

Good choice!! Start with mods you can build on! Nothing worse then gaining a lot of power, and then destroying the trans 2 weeks later
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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by jlukas » Tue May 28, 2013 2:01 pm

06wagon wrote:
Overlander wrote:Thanks for the helpful replies!

I have decided to attack it at another angle. I ordered a torque converter,programmer and 87mm Throttle body.
I can still build on to this and Im not making a huge commitment.
Yes a good start and similar to what I have done to my '12. The other two add-ons that would help would be a cold air intake (Vararam) and long-tube headers (American Racing Headers).

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Re: Supercharger,Top end work or upgraded Engine?

Post by Overlander » Wed May 29, 2013 11:19 pm

Agreed!

06wagon wrote:
Overlander wrote:Thanks for the helpful replies!

I have decided to attack it at another angle. I ordered a torque converter,programmer and 87mm Throttle body.
I can still build on to this and Im not making a huge commitment.

Hope it works!

Ken

Good choice!! Start with mods you can build on! Nothing worse then gaining a lot of power, and then destroying the trans 2 weeks later
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