Um no you missed my point completely. It's a tall bumper. Reduces ground clearance. Now you have a winch, but you also have a bumper that is lower than your stock. The ARB is actually a better bumper because the approach angle is slightly improved (in a way, I'll explain), despite it sticking out further.laramieskibum wrote: Improved approach angle against something else with a winch on a cummins truck not a stock wagon. If your going to stuff a winch in front of a diesel ram truck it has to be as short as possible. Any additional length reduces the approach angle. Height plays in also but my point is that the bumper is no longer than it needs to be, it is as short as it can get which was important to me (but not to wagon owners, they are already stuffed and just want stouter). No doubt the bumper is worse in approach angle for wagon owners, no brainer, but is a relevant option for diesels.
Reason being, they flared the bumper at both ends, reducing overall height. You'll also notice the flare going under too, acting as a skid to allow you to slide up and over. Way better design here.
The AEV bumper, as nice looking as it is, is the same height all the way across. It mimics the factory design completely.
The AEV bumper is solely a winch bumper when that consideration is taken into account.
You can approach on a corner better with the ARB with your diesel than you could with the AEV bumper. That was my point about that.