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Re: TD's 2014 Red PW Build Thread

Post by Colibri » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:42 pm

Glad to hear your keeping her man! 4.88's ought to really liven things up, awesome!!!
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New Gears

Post by adeluca73 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:39 pm

Colibri--thanks man, after some soul searching, I just figured I'd make it work somehow to keep it by living further out of the Beltway in N. VA, & then rewarded myself w/ new gears. :D

Now deciding on tires--the more I research, the more uncertain I get: Hankooks, Toyo, SSR's, Patriot, Dick Cepek, Duratracs, Kelly TSR--35 or 37...
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Post by adeluca73 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:44 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:What brand? That is next on my list. You may as well skip to 37" tires.
Not sure yet on size. 4.88's w/ 35's puts the final drive at 4.65 & 2205 RPM at 70mph, 37's put the final drive at 4:30. I'd like to keep the final drive close to the 2005-2013 PW 4.56.
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Post by Reloaderguy » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:41 am

With +1.5" spacer in the front the 35's will look too small. You won't feel the difference in final drive ratio. The difference in cost is about $100 total maybe.

The Toyo RT is smoooooth. My next tires will be Toyo too.

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Re: DOR Steering Box Brace

Post by Reloaderguy » Sun May 01, 2016 2:34 pm

adeluca73 wrote:MOD: steering Box Brace
VENOR: DOR (Danny Gaston)
COST: $150 + Shipping
TIME: 2Hr all in
DIfficulty: Light-Moderate

Installed the DOR brace yesterday. Used the base auto hobby shop because they have more tools, & more importantly lifts, so I'm not laying on my back! The install is pretty straight forward, but I recommend completely dropping the sway bar on both sides. If you just back out the passenger side bolts, there really isn't much room to fanagle that 12lb brace over top and then underneath the sway bar. Using an impact makes zipping the bolts in way faster when you're holding the weight of the sway bar & brace with one hand. Also the sector shaft calls for 185ft-lbf torque, but the hobby shop didn't have a 44mm or 1.75" socket, & most of you probably don't I'd guess, my biggest is 37mm & 1 3/8", so I had to use a giant crescent to take off the Pittman arm bolt & tighten the sector shaft extension, which means I was guessing on the torque number.

I put the sway bar through the back of the brace, bungeed then together & lifted the sway bar in place, zipped in passenger side sway bar bushing bolts ½ way, then started the steering box bolt so everything & all weight was being supported by something, then used the ole dead blow persuader to alight the brace holes with the drivers side frame sway bushing holes & with the sway bar itself, started one bolt, aligned for the other, then loosely mounted the shaft bearing race, & stated tightening & torquing in order. Also greased the bearing shaft & hit all bolts with silver anti-seize.

Overall, I honestly don't feel any difference in steering precision, stiffness, or any other basic driver feedback mechanism right now. And it might feel a tad looser than before installed the brace & not sure why either.
The OE sector nut is larger than 44mm or 1 3/4". My 1 3/4" crow foot is too small. I believe it is actually 46mm. DOR's replacement may be 1 3/4" though. I measured the OE nut and it is 1.8".

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Post by adeluca73 » Sun May 01, 2016 10:12 pm

Not sure about the stock pitman arm nut, I used a giant crescent to break it loose. The DOR instructions state 44mm, again used a crescent to snug it tight, but I'm going to pick up a crow foot so I can actually torque to spec...185in-lbs. Did you order one?
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Post by 04Ram2500Hemi » Sun May 01, 2016 11:23 pm

adeluca73 wrote:
Reloaderguy wrote:What brand? That is next on my list. You may as well skip to 37" tires.
Not sure yet on size. 4.88's w/ 35's puts the final drive at 4.65 & 2205 RPM at 70mph, 37's put the final drive at 4:30. I'd like to keep the final drive close to the 2005-2013 PW 4.56.
I think you would be happier with 37" tires to be honest. This is especially true if you lift the truck any higher in the future.
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Re: DOR--sector shaft

Post by azracer » Mon May 02, 2016 7:06 am

adeluca73 wrote:Not sure about the stock pitman arm nut, I used a giant crescent to break it loose. The DOR instructions state 44mm, again used a crescent to snug it tight, but I'm going to pick up a crow foot so I can actually torque to spec...185in-lbs. Did you order one?
I suspect you are aware but just to be safe... Be sure to put the crows foot on the same plane (IE: left or right not top or bottom) or your torque will be wrong. There is a formula for top or bottom but I have to look it up each rare time I'm forced to do top or bottom crows foot orientation torque.
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Post by Reloaderguy » Mon May 02, 2016 7:55 pm

adeluca73 wrote:Not sure about the stock pitman arm nut, I used a giant crescent to break it loose. The DOR instructions state 44mm, again used a crescent to snug it tight, but I'm going to pick up a crow foot so I can actually torque to spec...185in-lbs. Did you order one?
I ordered a brace, yes. DOR processed the order and shipped it in a day. Kudos on their extremely fast shipping (albeit expensive).

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Torque Correction

Post by adeluca73 » Tue May 03, 2016 12:40 am

I looked at that page, not sure if that's equivalent to the equation I derived from the Torque moment relationship and posted the other day, but it looks similiar. i'll have to run an example on both to see if they're they same. I trust my derivation...this look close though.
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Post by adeluca73 » Tue May 03, 2016 12:42 am

azracer wrote:
adeluca73 wrote:Not sure about the stock pitman arm nut, I used a giant crescent to break it loose. The DOR instructions state 44mm, again used a crescent to snug it tight, but I'm going to pick up a crow foot so I can actually torque to spec...185in-lbs. Did you order one?
I suspect you are aware but just to be safe... Be sure to put the crows foot on the same plane (IE: left or right not top or bottom) or your torque will be wrong. There is a formula for top or bottom but I have to look it up each rare time I'm forced to do top or bottom crows foot orientation torque.
Yep---that's low hanging fruit kind of stuff for us engineer nerds---first thing I thought of was the torque correction for the added length of the adaptor.
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4.88 Gears arrived

Post by adeluca73 » Tue May 03, 2016 2:06 am

It's a FEDEX Christmas

MOD : 4.88 9.25 front & 11.5 rear AAM R&P swap + complete master installation kits
MFGR : Yukon
Vendor : Randy's Gear
COST : $375 Rear R&P/$330 Rear install kit/$245 Front R&P/$215 front install kit/$60 front & rear lifetime warranty

Researched the required parts needed to do complete front/rear gear swap, called EastCoast Gear & Randy's & shopped both for best price. Ordered everything from Randy's last Friday around 1630, everything arrived on Monday morning. The packaging & overall presentation was exceedingly high quality & definitely conveys a sense of pride & inspires confidence. I ordered the total lifetime warranty ($29 ea) which is essentially just prepaying the shipping cost--warranty is no questions asked forever, anything happens to either gear set, Randy's will FedEx out a replacement set & the install kit free of charge & will cover the install cost of the new set. Set up the install at a local heavy truck rebuild shop down the road for Wednesday, 4 May.
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Post by azracer » Tue May 03, 2016 2:18 am

Nice find. I just try to use the crows foot on plane to avoid the calculation requirement. I did a search a while back and found an on line calculator where you just plug in your numbers and it figures it out but I can't seem to find it now.
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Post by Reloaderguy » Tue May 03, 2016 10:17 am

I don't know what you mean by "on plane". Can you explain?

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Post by adeluca73 » Tue May 03, 2016 1:54 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:I don't know what you mean by "on plane". Can you explain?
Set the coordinate reference frame so the X-axis is long the centerline of the wrench, the Y-axis horizontally perpendicular to the base of the wrench, and the Z-axis vertically perpendicular from the base of the wrench. Since torque is a product of force, the length of the connecting surface, and the angle subtended between them, if you add any length to the center of the torque wrench's force point of application (along the X-axis), then the applied torque has to be adjusted to achieve the original desired final torque. However, if your crow's foot is in plane, meaning the x-y plane of the centerline of the torque wrench, so the centerline of the crow's foot is parallel to the centerline of the torque wrench (so the crow's foot is the same x-distance from your hand as the centerline of the wrench, just off-set in the Y-axis, i.e. it's turned 90deg), then you don't have to correct for the torque, but here, you're most liklely going to have to orient the crow's foot as a straight X-dim extension. Also, if there's a change in the Z-axis dimension, i.e., the centerline of the crow's foot is higher than your hand from using an extension, then the torque reading remains unaffected by the crow's foot.
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Post by Reloaderguy » Tue May 03, 2016 2:33 pm

Got it, thanks for the explanation. The crows foot I have is flat.

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TRUXX 1.5" PW Specific Level Kit

Post by adeluca73 » Wed May 04, 2016 12:31 am

MOD: PW specific 1.5" front end level kit
MFGR: Truxx
COST: $160 + $19 S&H

I am not a fan of the front end rake on Ram and GM trucks. I do not have a slide in camper anymore, so I'm not worried about riding nose high right now. I've spoken with the marketing & sales rep, Robyn, & the manufacturing machinist to get a feel of the product, the materials, testing & discuss performance, and was impressed with the responses. If the 4.88 gear swap is completed by Thursday, I'm going to try to rent a spring compressor & install the kit this weekend.
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Post by Reloaderguy » Wed May 04, 2016 12:49 am

Would you please measure the distance between the bump stop cup lip and axle strike face before and after the install?

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Reloaderguy wrote:Would you please measure the distance between the bump stop cup lip and axle strike face before and after the install?
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Post by olyelr » Wed May 04, 2016 3:19 pm

Installed yet? Huh? Huh? Whats the hold up?
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Post by Colibri » Wed May 04, 2016 3:27 pm

Not sure where you're going to rent the spring compressors, but if you find someplace with one big enough for our coils please share where you got it! I tried 3 or 4 different places a few years back and no one had an appropriately sized tool. Good luck AD can't wait to hear your thoughts on the gears :rockon:
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Post by adeluca73 » Thu May 05, 2016 11:55 am

Colibri wrote:Not sure where you're going to rent the spring compressors, but if you find someplace with one big enough for our coils please share where you got it! I tried 3 or 4 different places a few years back and no one had an appropriately sized tool. Good luck AD can't wait to hear your thoughts on the gears :rockon:
Copy. Maybe there's not one big enough, I figured there must be. I may just rent what's available and augment with some semi-rated ratchet straps to compress enough to get the coil out of the bucket.

Got the rear Yukon 4.88 swapped for the AAM OEM--maybe not as strong, but I think an overall better choice.
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Post by adeluca73 » Thu May 05, 2016 5:37 pm

I have all the correct bearings, install kits, and gears (swapped out the Yukon 11.5" 4.88 for the OEM AAM 4.88--Randy's was awesome to deal with). Now I just need to find a shop willing to install it. The diff shop near me called today and said they'd rather not work on my truck because they aren't confident they can do it correctly with the tools they have on hand....I've been looking on line for nearly 2 hrs now, and I can't find a single shop within 3 hrs drive that even remotely sounded confident they could tackle the install... :angry:

edit: Ok, I did find a shop in Columbus, Oh, Babbitt Gear & Bearing Co (1.5 hrs away), that was closed, but the owner's wife sounded very confident they could do it no problem, pending confirmation with tech tomorrow--but I'm tentatively scheduled for next Friday the 13th.
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Post by Colibri » Thu May 05, 2016 8:59 pm

Strange, these axles are relatively easier to work on than Dana Spicer equivalents. Guess people just aren't as familiar with them? Good luck with Babbitt! Should have some more pep in your step soon!
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