Winching and Recovery 101

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Colibri » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:59 am

Ducky's Dad wrote:
You know where the anchor point will be during the entire process.
That seems to be a significant advantage of the NATO anchor. Not just because you put it wherever you can hammer it in, but because the Pull-Pal needs to be pulled some distance before it bites in. Might be a short distance, might be right where you set it, but you won't know until you put tension on the line. The NATO anchor has a cost advantage over the bigger Pull-Pals (RW14000 and 16000), but the Pull-Pal is lighter (by about 30 pounds for the RW 14000). I don't live in a cold climate, but I would think the NATO anchor is more likely to work on wet ground that has frozen, assuming you have a big enough sledge and enough energy.

Good points fellas, makes it more interesting for sure. I'm sure it works it's just labor intensive, but if you had to relocate a pull pal before you got unstuck to do a second pull that would be way worse on the back than moving the nato probably. Hmmm
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Ducky's Dad » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:05 pm

Just carry both! That's only another 130 pounds in the truck. What the heck?

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Colibri » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:37 pm

I'll just kick my girl out and it won't be any extra weight hahaha
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by 2011TXPowerWagon » Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:04 am

I need an anchor that would work in sand, both loose an wet. Do you think that NATO would work?
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Jack187 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:20 pm

Hard to say. Would depend on how far down you would have to go through loose sand. In that situation, the blade type anchor might have an advantage.
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Ducky's Dad » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:42 pm

For use in mostly desert sand, I'm leaning toward getting a bigger Pull-Pal. Faster to deploy and retrieve and 30 pounds lighter than the NATO anchor. Trick is to find a used one at a decent price. Best I can find on a new RW14000 is $500 delivered. If I wheeled in different terrain and/or weather conditions, I'd probably lean toward the NATO anchor. But I have never used either one.

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by 2011TXPowerWagon » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:23 pm

I'm thinking next time I go to the beach I'm going to pick up a cheap boat anchor an see what happens.
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by TwinStick » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:49 am

2011TXPowerWagon wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjuif0HCVi4

Check out that video. It is a spade type boat anchor holding back a diesel ram
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-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Bigskyguy1976 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:36 am

well I see it's been covered already. This is the video that I think best covers it. Even the bestest winching extraordinaire engineer experts often times don't know how to reverse winch by winching forward. It's a good skill to know and a handy camp trick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBphM-u ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by olyelr » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:31 am

Bigskyguy1976 wrote:well I see it's been covered already. This is the video that I think best covers it. Even the bestest winching extraordinaire engineer experts often times don't know how to reverse winch by winching forward. It's a good skill to know and a handy camp trick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBphM-u ... e=youtu.be
Haha holy hell i had no idea that was even possible!
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by TwinStick » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:49 pm

Yeah, it is possible, no question about that. But what is the possibility or better yet---probability, of having 3 trees in just the right spot, at just the right time, that you need to do that ???? My guess, about as often as Halley's Comet comes by earth. If you have the need to do this more that 2x in your life, you would be wise to invest in one of these: https://www.warn.com/truck/winches/ZEON ... ount.shtml

At the most, you may need one snatchblock to use this & only 1 or 2 trees. :lol:
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G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by RustyPW » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:25 pm

Yep, put a winch on the back of the truck. End of story.
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Post by verdesardog » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:53 am

And who carries three snatch blocks? I have two and thought that was excessive :lol:
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Hawse Fairlead required?

Post by PWDan » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:00 pm

Okay, my factory winch cable is due to be replaced since it's got some serious kinks and a few strands here and there that always seem to get through my gloves. I was looking into using a synthetic winch rope but I noticed that they advertise the Hawse fairleads with all of the ropes and I read that a standard roller Fairlead will pinch and cut the sythetic ropes. I'm just wondering if we have to use the Hawse and if so, do they make one that'll bolt up to our bumpers and replace our rollers or would we have to fab our own mount for it? Just seems to me that rollers would be good for both but I don't want to spend $250 -$300 on a new rope and destroy it the first time I use it if I'm wrong.

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by huntinguy » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:10 pm

I work for a fairly big power company and we use warn winches with amsteel blue rope and roller fairleads in all of our trucks. We pull very heavy loads at sometimes hard angles and never have any problems. Just my two cents.

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Post by adeluca73 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:28 pm

TwinStick wrote:Yeah, it is possible, no question about that. But what is the possibility or better yet---probability, of having 3 trees in just the right spot, at just the right time, that you need to do that ???? My guess, about as often as Halley's Comet comes by earth. If you have the need to do this more that 2x in your life, you would be wise to invest in one of these: https://www.warn.com/truck/winches/ZEON ... ount.shtml

At the most, you may need one snatchblock to use this & only 1 or 2 trees. :lol:
Says only comes w/ 7.5' of electrical cable---not sure that would reach up to the front battery, would need to buy some battery gauge wire & splice it.
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by olyelr » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:39 pm

adeluca73 wrote:
Says only comes w/ 7.5' of electrical cable---not sure that would reach up to the front battery, would need to buy some battery gauge wire & splice it.

Yeah, that is for mounting it in the front of a vehicle. You would have to purchase wiring/plug separately to route a plug-in at the back of the vehicle.

You would think they would sell that kit with two different length cables, for the front AND the rear, which could be ordered with certain length cables specific for your own setup/vehicle.
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Cactus Red » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:11 am

As long as the roller are free of burrs, rope works great. Clean them up with a file and emery cloth, and you should be good to go. I've had the same piece of 7/16 Amsteel on for 6+ years.

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Post by PWDan » Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:43 am

huntinguy wrote:I work for a fairly big power company and we use warn winches with amsteel blue rope and roller fairleads in all of our trucks. We pull very heavy loads at sometimes hard angles and never have any problems. Just my two cents.

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Okay, that's good to hear and yeah I had my rollers off about a month ago and cleaned them inside and out so they roll easy and there aren't any burrs or gouges in them. I was gonna grease the insides but decided against it. I just figured it would collect dust and dirt and get packed with grit. I think it's time to order an Amsteel rope then. Thanks guys!

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Luke Duke » Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:17 am

Hey fellas, I'm sure I've missed it but out of curiosity is there an opinion on a good block/pulley? Is it worth pony-ing up the cash for a Warn, Superwinch, etc....or should I just find the heaviest I can at Harbor Freight?

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Post by RustyPW » Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:20 pm

Get the big one. No use in being undersized.

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by TwinStick » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:28 am

I have used these with great success: http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produc ... _vc=-10005


Had the rear of truck chained & strapped to a big tree & used 2 of these up front to winch a tree bottom w/roots back up & out of the hole it left when the wind blew the tree over. Tires of the truck actually came off the ground. It finally came over though. Don't think it would have without 2 snatch blocks though. That was when i had stock alt & single battery though.

But if you got the cash. get the big red shiny one from WARN. It is the most HD one for sure.
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G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Dylan Robinson » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:53 am

I'm gonna try this one of these days, just for fun.

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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Cactus Red » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:44 pm

Thanks - that's a good video. I've only seen it done with 5 pulleys - three is much easier. I have three in the truck as is - need to get another for the JKUR so it's up to snuf.
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Re: Winching and Recovery 101

Post by Ducky's Dad » Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:47 pm

I finally found a lightly used Pull-Pal RW14000, $250 plus shipping TBD. Guy has a Dodge 3500 and says he never got stuck after he bought the Pull-Pal, so should be near mint when it arrives. Took over a year to find one, but they are out there.

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