Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Discussions including Electrical / Lighting & Accessories / Onboard Air
User avatar
PWJouster
50_Posts
50_Posts
Posts: 158
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:44 am
Model Year: 2018

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by PWJouster » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:33 am

so the hardwire switches can been done with only a code on the dash?

what about smart bar use while locking with switches, wouldnt the fault stop the disconnect
2018 Powerwagon
Thuren King 3.0-S3 & 2.5-S2 with King Stab, TBs, Boogies and
Dodge-Off-Road Steering Brace
Method NV 17s
Toyo RT 35x12.5/17
Purple Cranium F&R
S&B Intake
Exhaust

User avatar
Reloaderguy
1000_Posts
1000_Posts
Posts: 1920
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:06 am
Model Year: 2016
Location: Central Oregon

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by Reloaderguy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:59 am

The Smartbar is not capable of being operated independently the way it is currently configured. You either have to live with the 18MPH limit, disconnect one of the links, or run a Thuren bar. The engine code should only appear when the lockers are engaged with the switches.
Best Year Power Wagon

User avatar
BoldAdventure
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 2030
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:23 am
Model Year: 2015
Location: Nomadic
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by BoldAdventure » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:08 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:59 am
The Smartbar is not capable of being operated independently the way it is currently configured. You either have to live with the 18MPH limit, disconnect one of the links, or run a Thuren bar. The engine code should only appear when the lockers are engaged with the switches.
Actually >>> https://www.offroadevolution.com/produc ... ct-jk-jku/

It will work with ours, we've been discussing it. It just disengages the swaybar manually instead of the electrical plunger. What codes that will throw, well the one person with it (GTOMike) hasn't installed it yet. I'm probably going to pick it up myself, I'm curious about it.

I was going to run a homemade disconnect on front and rear for PWIM this year. Last year I saw a pretty good improvement running the rear disconnected as far as droop goes.
2015 Power Wagon Laramie - "ROCKLANDER"
[Build Thread] [Instagram] [Youtube]

User avatar
Reloaderguy
1000_Posts
1000_Posts
Posts: 1920
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:06 am
Model Year: 2016
Location: Central Oregon

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by Reloaderguy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:07 pm

I meant you can't operate the Smartbar independently using electronic overrides. With the manual plug it will throw a Service 4WD code. A member here (Will) has one. The reason I didn't buy one was because 1. I hate the stock SB spring rate 2. I don't want codes.
Best Year Power Wagon

User avatar
olyelr
2000_Posts
2000_Posts
Posts: 3086
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:00 pm
Model Year: 2016
Location: Kewadin, MI

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by olyelr » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:39 pm

I installed quick disconnects and separate locker switches for my JKUR. All the factory buttons still worked just fine... although I never did use them anymore once I installed the other switches and the disconnects. Still tempted to do that with my truck. If all I would get is a little dash light, well then so be it.
2016 Ram Power Wagon Laramie - Granite Crystal Metallic - Ramboxes :patriot:

User avatar
BoldAdventure
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 2030
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:23 am
Model Year: 2015
Location: Nomadic
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by BoldAdventure » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:44 pm

Manual disconnect on the endlink is probably the best way to go. No codes.
2015 Power Wagon Laramie - "ROCKLANDER"
[Build Thread] [Instagram] [Youtube]

Colibri
1000_Posts
1000_Posts
Posts: 1543
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:44 pm
Model Year: 2009

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by Colibri » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:55 pm

Exactly spot on reloaderguy, a stand alone system is easy, integrated oem controller is voodoo lol
Central Texas and Houston area
2009 5.7 auto quadcab
Carli 3” coils deaver leafs 3” kings with 4 tube bypass rear and fr/rr hydro bumps
Howe steering pump and gear with hydraulic ram assist
Custom tube bumpers and white knuckle sliders
Creative fab trussed axle. rem polished and cryoed 5.13 gears with arb lockers fr/rr
Sharadon stage 2 545rfe with 3000 stall edge converter
Lots of other stuff lol

Colibri
1000_Posts
1000_Posts
Posts: 1543
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:44 pm
Model Year: 2009

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by Colibri » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:58 pm

If you remove the smartbar module from the bar itself (3 bolts) and mount it out of the way, you can use the offroad evolution disconnect without throwing any code whatsoever
Central Texas and Houston area
2009 5.7 auto quadcab
Carli 3” coils deaver leafs 3” kings with 4 tube bypass rear and fr/rr hydro bumps
Howe steering pump and gear with hydraulic ram assist
Custom tube bumpers and white knuckle sliders
Creative fab trussed axle. rem polished and cryoed 5.13 gears with arb lockers fr/rr
Sharadon stage 2 545rfe with 3000 stall edge converter
Lots of other stuff lol

User avatar
Retired BLM Rig
500_Posts
500_Posts
Posts: 552
Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:51 pm
Model Year: 2008
Location: San Clemente, Ca.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by Retired BLM Rig » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:42 am

Don't forget about this option for a pushbutton, air operated sway bar disconnect. However it does require OBA, but seems much more convenient than laying under your truck, screwing a knob in & out.

Like Colibri said:
Colibri wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:58 pm
If you remove the smartbar module from the bar itself (3 bolts) and mount it out of the way, you can use the offroad evolution disconnect without throwing any code whatsoever
In Mikekey's situation, he'll always have a code or warning light due to damaged SmartBar module pins. I wonder if it would be possible to make a trip to the dealer and have them reprogram the CAN to ignore the final drive control module/SmartBar, resulting in no lights or codes? Then he could hardwire everything.

TwinStick
2000_Posts
2000_Posts
Posts: 4102
Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 7:58 pm
Model Year: 2008

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by TwinStick » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:16 am

I wonder if it would be possible to make a trip to the dealer and have them reprogram the CAN to ignore the final drive control module/SmartBar, resulting in no lights or codes? Then he could hardwire everything.



What you just said there.........is LIGHTYEARS beyond 90+% of all dealers. Sorry, but that is the sad reality. I told my dealer it was probably the "rear locker assembly" that needed to be replaced..........they ended up saying "no, it was the rear locker actuator assembly that needed to be replaced !!!" :doh: Also, the ONLY thing the dealer will do as far as computers is, to reflash with an "authorized factory reflash." They will not even entertain anything else. All 3 dealers by me are of the same mindset. :doh:
In WNY State. 2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls an 18' 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

User avatar
BoldAdventure
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 2030
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:23 am
Model Year: 2015
Location: Nomadic
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by BoldAdventure » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:17 am

I actually don’t have any codes. It’s as if if it’s simply dead as a door nail right now. Pretty odd.
2015 Power Wagon Laramie - "ROCKLANDER"
[Build Thread] [Instagram] [Youtube]

Colibri
1000_Posts
1000_Posts
Posts: 1543
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:44 pm
Model Year: 2009

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by Colibri » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:58 pm

I actually drove around for a couple weeks with the smartbar connector unplugged and never threw a code or had any strange symptoms at all.
Central Texas and Houston area
2009 5.7 auto quadcab
Carli 3” coils deaver leafs 3” kings with 4 tube bypass rear and fr/rr hydro bumps
Howe steering pump and gear with hydraulic ram assist
Custom tube bumpers and white knuckle sliders
Creative fab trussed axle. rem polished and cryoed 5.13 gears with arb lockers fr/rr
Sharadon stage 2 545rfe with 3000 stall edge converter
Lots of other stuff lol

User avatar
Chromolykid
50_Posts
50_Posts
Posts: 210
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:05 pm
Model Year: 2014
Location: Phelan, CA
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by Chromolykid » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:45 pm

I took a look at that Evo disco a while back, it’s not exactly in a convenient spot to fumble with. A lot of cacti around here, I’m not fond of crawling under my truck while out exploring. If somebody could figure out how to wire that disconnect with an electric motor to turn the knob that can be actuated from inside the cab with a toggle switch, you may have something. This plus a locker bypass and ABS circuit on a switch and you’ve pretty much de-nannified yourself! It’s a nice dream, but until then, I’ll keep pulling a link out to make my truck drive like a truck instead of a street car.
“Furiosa”
2016 Power Wagon
White Knuckle Sliders
Walker Evans Wheels in 35” BFG KO2’s
DOR Steering Brace
Thuren Stage 1 KING 2.5’s
Thuren Coils Front & Rear
Thuren Track Bars Front & Rear
AEV Procal
Carli Front Diff Guard/Purple Cranium Half Spider Rear
Putco LED Headlights & Foglights
Custom Fender Flares and Grill

User avatar
BoldAdventure
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 2030
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:23 am
Model Year: 2015
Location: Nomadic
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by BoldAdventure » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:56 pm

I am going to tackle this project next weekend. Decided this is the route I want to pursue. I'll be wiring in two switches to manually turn them on anytime I want.
2015 Power Wagon Laramie - "ROCKLANDER"
[Build Thread] [Instagram] [Youtube]

User avatar
olyelr
2000_Posts
2000_Posts
Posts: 3086
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:00 pm
Model Year: 2016
Location: Kewadin, MI

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by olyelr » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:23 pm

MikeKey wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:56 pm
I am going to tackle this project next weekend. Decided this is the route I want to pursue. I'll be wiring in two switches to manually turn them on anytime I want.
Hell yea, I cant wait to see the write-up!!!!!
2016 Ram Power Wagon Laramie - Granite Crystal Metallic - Ramboxes :patriot:

User avatar
BoldAdventure
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 2030
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:23 am
Model Year: 2015
Location: Nomadic
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by BoldAdventure » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:05 am

I will probably add one. Been digging through this thread for awhile. First will be a working prototype, then I’ll order loom and stuff and do the final install.
2015 Power Wagon Laramie - "ROCKLANDER"
[Build Thread] [Instagram] [Youtube]

User avatar
nts007
2000_Posts
2000_Posts
Posts: 2283
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:01 pm
Model Year: 2008
Location: Sask, Canada, Earth

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by nts007 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:37 am

I did a cable actuation setup on a smart bar. Worked very well. Never got around to installing a lever in the cab but pulling the cable worked the same. I ended up just ditching the sway around all together later though
08 ctd--mini max--thuren 3" coils and LT Leaves--4.56 gears and lockers in pw axles--some lights--afe intake system--bd super b turbo--Banks w/m Injection--Dynatrac Balljoints--king 2.5"s--37" Hankook Dynapro MT--DOR Long arms--Custom emf track bar--Manual T-case swap--Full PW Under armor--PSC Hydro Assist and so much more

User avatar
olyelr
2000_Posts
2000_Posts
Posts: 3086
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:00 pm
Model Year: 2016
Location: Kewadin, MI

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by olyelr » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:09 am

I remember those cable acuated CAD kits for the old 2nd gen dodges. I bet some of the pieces from one of those kits could be utilized for the sway bar disconnect.
2016 Ram Power Wagon Laramie - Granite Crystal Metallic - Ramboxes :patriot:

Colibri
1000_Posts
1000_Posts
Posts: 1543
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:44 pm
Model Year: 2009

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by Colibri » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:50 pm

It’s hard to beat air actuators for the smartbar. Evo mfg has a nice one for about $200.
Central Texas and Houston area
2009 5.7 auto quadcab
Carli 3” coils deaver leafs 3” kings with 4 tube bypass rear and fr/rr hydro bumps
Howe steering pump and gear with hydraulic ram assist
Custom tube bumpers and white knuckle sliders
Creative fab trussed axle. rem polished and cryoed 5.13 gears with arb lockers fr/rr
Sharadon stage 2 545rfe with 3000 stall edge converter
Lots of other stuff lol

User avatar
BoldAdventure
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 2030
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:23 am
Model Year: 2015
Location: Nomadic
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by BoldAdventure » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:42 pm

I shouldn't be typing so late at night, LMAO. So next Saturday will be my big project day, buttoning up all the last minute stuff on the Power Wagon in prep for my "vacation" to Moab.

I'll be sure to document some stuff in time and try to get it up for anyone else. I've been looking over this thread and playing with my voltmeter. I think, maybe.... I might just be able to build a smart bar bypass using 5 relays a few resistors and still use the factory OEM knob. I might go ahead and do the manual rubicon disconnect too. With my high-clearance bumper, there is no crawling under my truck. I can bend over and touch my smart bar.

So for me, it'd just be a routine at the trailhead when I air down. And if I'm off the pavement, I'd prefer the damn thing disconnected all day anyhow.
2015 Power Wagon Laramie - "ROCKLANDER"
[Build Thread] [Instagram] [Youtube]

User avatar
NovA ProspekT
50_Posts
50_Posts
Posts: 123
Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:53 am
Model Year: 2007
Location: New Hampshire - Live Free or Die
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by NovA ProspekT » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:51 pm

MikeKey wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:42 pm
...
I think, maybe.... I might just be able to build a smart bar bypass using 5 relays a few resistors and still use the factory OEM knob.
That'd be pimpin', if you can make it work.
MikeKey wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:42 pm
...
I can bend over and touch my smart bar.
...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[---- 2007 Dodge Power Wagon ----]
Flame Red - 5.7L Hemi V8 - COOPER S/T MAXX (37"x12.5"R17) - Carli High Clearance Control Arms
Aluminess Front Bumper - Back Rack w/ Side-rails - Truxedo LoPro QT Tonneau
JW Speaker TS4000 Driving Lights - Grote 30" LED Off-road Light Bar - Bosch Fog Lights
[---- 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland ----]
Inferno Red - 4.7L High Output PowerTech V8 - Quadra-Drive - 17" Rubicon Hard Rock wheels
1.5" Lift OME HD Coil Springs - Bilstein 5100 Shocks - JKS HD Trackbar
[---- 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited ----]
Deep Slate - 5.9L Magnum R/T V8 - Quadra-Trac - Bilstein Shocks
Doug Thorley Long-tube headers - MOPAR M1 Intake - BBK Power Plus twin 52mm Throttle Body

[My Flickr]


“The death-knell of the republic had rung as soon as the active power became lodged in the hands of those who sought, not to do justice to all citizens, rich and poor alike, but to stand for one special class and for its interests as opposed to the interests of others.” - Theodore Roosevelt

User avatar
BoldAdventure
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 2030
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:23 am
Model Year: 2015
Location: Nomadic
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by BoldAdventure » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:03 pm

NovA ProspekT wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:51 pm
MikeKey wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:42 pm
...
I think, maybe.... I might just be able to build a smart bar bypass using 5 relays a few resistors and still use the factory OEM knob.
That'd be pimpin', if you can make it work.
MikeKey wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:42 pm
...
I can bend over and touch my smart bar.
...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Hey I have lost 41lbs recently :rofl:
2015 Power Wagon Laramie - "ROCKLANDER"
[Build Thread] [Instagram] [Youtube]

User avatar
PWJouster
50_Posts
50_Posts
Posts: 158
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:44 am
Model Year: 2018

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by PWJouster » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:08 am

MikeKey wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:42 pm
I think, maybe.... I might just be able to build a smart bar bypass using 5 relays a few resistors and still use the factory OEM knob.
again,

i will paypal you $1000 for a wire loomed harness that i can "plug and PLay" for use of lockers and smart bar disconnect with safety cover toggle switches.
2018 Powerwagon
Thuren King 3.0-S3 & 2.5-S2 with King Stab, TBs, Boogies and
Dodge-Off-Road Steering Brace
Method NV 17s
Toyo RT 35x12.5/17
Purple Cranium F&R
S&B Intake
Exhaust

User avatar
BoldAdventure
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 2030
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:23 am
Model Year: 2015
Location: Nomadic
Contact:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by BoldAdventure » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:24 am

No thanks.
2015 Power Wagon Laramie - "ROCKLANDER"
[Build Thread] [Instagram] [Youtube]

User avatar
PWJouster
50_Posts
50_Posts
Posts: 158
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:44 am
Model Year: 2018

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Post by PWJouster » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:26 pm

MikeKey wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:24 am
No thanks.

hey you said it might be possible.

i guess ill leave you to it and see how it ends up.

thought i would leave it to the pros, i dont trust a single tech in my area to get this done....i know im not up to the task.
2018 Powerwagon
Thuren King 3.0-S3 & 2.5-S2 with King Stab, TBs, Boogies and
Dodge-Off-Road Steering Brace
Method NV 17s
Toyo RT 35x12.5/17
Purple Cranium F&R
S&B Intake
Exhaust

Post Reply