
Was wondering why my truck seemed a little bouncy...
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Rodeoflyer wrote:Yes it’s happened to others. What shocks are you running (type/length)?
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Annoying lol, just what I wanted to spend money on. Fronts are stage 4Rodeoflyer wrote:It can be welded back on. It’s usually an incorrect shock length or the use of shock extenders as the cause.
What stage are your King’s?
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Sad, I only have 14.5k miles on the truckRodeoflyer wrote:Yeah the 4th gen shock mounts are a notably weak spot. I’m stage 5 front and have beat on mine pretty good for about 70k miles now. I probably need to take a close(er) look at them than I do with my regular underbody and suspension checks.
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Yeah it’s a full kit. I’ll get in touch with him, I doubt it’s the shocks fault thoughTankerZak wrote:Are you using Thuren springs? His full kit? I'd call Don. That shouldn't happen with his stuff. It's usually from shock extensions..
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Oh I for sure have, I’ve definitely used the suspension, just didn’t expect a shock mount to fail on the way to work lol. Yes I amRodeoflyer wrote:From the looks at the little dirt/oil marks it appears that you’ve fully compressed them a few times. Are you running boogie bump stops?
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Yeah, not sure. But I have the boogies too so I shoulda broke a shock mount by now. What springs do you have? The .5 inch or the 1.5 inch PW springs?Rodeoflyer wrote:Absolutely. I’m wondering if the boogies are allowing too much compression. Don’t the kings have some some kind of internal bumpstop? It will be interesting to hear what Don says.
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If you think the shock mounts don’t see any force when the shock is stroking, you’re confused about how shocks work.TankerZak wrote:Shock mounts are weak BUT if all the geometry is correct should never break because they should never see downward force. The shock should stop before that. The bumpstop stops the downward force before force is applied to the shock mount. In the up swing the shock mount would see some light extending force as the shock tops out. Either the geometry is off from improper install, improper design, or the shock isn't working correctly for whatever reason. For all of those things I'd call Don. I'm also going to go check my shock mounts as we should have the same setup...
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I don't think they see zero force but they shouldn't see shearing force...Low_Sky wrote:If you think the shock mounts don’t see any force when the shock is stroking, you’re confused about how shocks work.TankerZak wrote:Shock mounts are weak BUT if all the geometry is correct should never break because they should never see downward force. The shock should stop before that. The bumpstop stops the downward force before force is applied to the shock mount. In the up swing the shock mount would see some light extending force as the shock tops out. Either the geometry is off from improper install, improper design, or the shock isn't working correctly for whatever reason. For all of those things I'd call Don. I'm also going to go check my shock mounts as we should have the same setup...
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Those shock mounts are seeing a TON of force. Especially with 3.0’s that are capable of putting out twice the force of a 2.5. The factory mounts are *usually* just fine but occasionally there’s an issue like this. Usually from true mechanical bottoming of the shock where the force spikes, but also from the fatigue provided from standard shock damping. Like Reloader said, it was comedy club when we looked at his mounts. They need welding. Even the geometry if they’re welded isn’t great with the design of the mount.TankerZak wrote:Shock mounts are weak BUT if all the geometry is correct should never break because they should never see downward force. The shock should stop before that. The bumpstop stops the downward force before force is applied to the shock mount. In the up swing the shock mount would see some light extending force as the shock tops out. Either the geometry is off from improper install, improper design, or the shock isn't working correctly for whatever reason. For all of those things I'd call Don. I'm also going to go check my shock mounts as we should have the same setup...
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Guess I should get the other one fully welded as well then. Hopefully it doesn’t cost too muchDamageWagon wrote:Those shock mounts are seeing a TON of force. Especially with 3.0’s that are capable of putting out twice the force of a 2.5. The factory mounts are *usually* just fine but occasionally there’s an issue like this. Usually from true mechanical bottoming of the shock where the force spikes, but also from the fatigue provided from standard shock damping. Like Reloader said, it was comedy club when we looked at his mounts. They need welding. Even the geometry if they’re welded isn’t great with the design of the mount.TankerZak wrote:Shock mounts are weak BUT if all the geometry is correct should never break because they should never see downward force. The shock should stop before that. The bumpstop stops the downward force before force is applied to the shock mount. In the up swing the shock mount would see some light extending force as the shock tops out. Either the geometry is off from improper install, improper design, or the shock isn't working correctly for whatever reason. For all of those things I'd call Don. I'm also going to go check my shock mounts as we should have the same setup...
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There are ‘secret menu’ options that are not sold unless the customer understands just that. Not for the average user.Rodeoflyer wrote:Maybe Don should advertise upgraded lower shock mounts with 4gen 3.0 sales.
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