Suspension question...again

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Suspension question...again

Post by jpbrazill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:25 pm

I’m apologizing in advance: I’m sure this subject has been beat to death a thousand times, but I want to make sure I’m clear on what to do. Forgive my ignorance. I’ve done a lot of IFS stuff, but this awesome new truck is a new ball game for me.

I have a ‘17. So, I’m looking at the Thuren 1.5” front springs so I can stuff 37s. I would like to try and retain the factory Bilsteins, but am open to suggestions. What else do I need? Longer front shocks? Front shock extensions? Front track bar? Longer sway links?

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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by IIIOIISTER » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:50 pm

May have to get some longer front shocks but the rear should be fine. No need to upgrade the front track bar as it is sufficient for a 3" lift. No need to touch anything else in the front.
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by DamageWagon » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:52 pm

If you're just doing it to fit 37's you don't need to do anything. Lifting it won't change a thing, you're still bottoming out st the same point.

Per several recent discussions elsewhere, Thurens 1.5 front coils work with stock 14+ power wagon shocks. To change to his rear springs you must also change shocks or the coils can come out of the buckets. The front is fine with just swapping springs and nothing else.

NEVER run a shock extension without an equivalent bump stop drop or you will bottom out on the shock.

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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by jpbrazill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:34 pm

Thank you both! That definitely clarifies everything a lot more. So I want to stuff 37s with as little to no rub as possible, and I figured the small lift up front would help. I guess at full stuff against the bump stops, thats no different than factory any way.
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by TankerZak » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:56 pm

DamageWagon and I are doing the Thuren 1.5 springs on my 16 tomorrow. Everything is staying stock. All verified with a call to Thuren. Front shocks and trackbar are fine with the springs. Rear is different but his rear springs are softer than stock. I'm staying on 35s because i want my spare to fit still.
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by jpbrazill » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:04 am

TankerZak, awesome! That looks like thats the route I will go too!
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by olyelr » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:07 am

TankerZak wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:56 pm
DamageWagon and I are doing the Thuren 1.5 springs on my 16 tomorrow. Everything is staying stock. All verified with a call to Thuren. Front shocks and trackbar are fine with the springs. Rear is different but his rear springs are softer than stock. I'm staying on 35s because i want my spare to fit still.

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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by RPS1030 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:31 pm

I've been running 37x12.5 Toyo RTs on stock Suspension for almost 1.5 years now.

Initially on stick wheels, turning radius is limited some from rubbing on sway bar and/or frame with the occasional catch of the fender liner to the rear.

Now on aftermarket wheels with +18 offset, I trimmed about 6" of plastic and pinchweld on the back of the front wheel wells.
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by jpbrazill » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:41 pm

RPS1030, I will stay on stock wheels. How about rub on full stuff?
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by TankerZak » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:23 pm

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2016 Granite Crystal Metallic Power Wagon Laramie, no graphics, debadged, Thuren front and rear coils, Traxada rear 1 inch spacer, Thuren rear swaybar links, Thuren rear trackbar, King 3.0 (Stage 4) front shocks, King 2.5 (Stage 3) rear shocks, Boogie front bump stops, Toyo RT 37x12.5R17 on Raceline Avenger 17x9 +20 wheels, DOR steering brace, Thuren King Steering Damper, White Knuckle rock sliders, Dethloff skid plate, Purple Cranium Half Spider front and rear diff guards, Airlift Ultimate airbags with Daystar cradles, Bakflip Revolver X2 tonneau, AMP BedStep, Factor55 Ultrahook with 100ft 7/16 synthetic winch line, Zroadz Grill with slim 20 inch light bar, DDM Tuning LEDs/HIDs, Magnaflow 19200 modified with upgraded resonator and after axle dump, tinted front windows 35%.

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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by TankerZak » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:24 pm

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2016 Granite Crystal Metallic Power Wagon Laramie, no graphics, debadged, Thuren front and rear coils, Traxada rear 1 inch spacer, Thuren rear swaybar links, Thuren rear trackbar, King 3.0 (Stage 4) front shocks, King 2.5 (Stage 3) rear shocks, Boogie front bump stops, Toyo RT 37x12.5R17 on Raceline Avenger 17x9 +20 wheels, DOR steering brace, Thuren King Steering Damper, White Knuckle rock sliders, Dethloff skid plate, Purple Cranium Half Spider front and rear diff guards, Airlift Ultimate airbags with Daystar cradles, Bakflip Revolver X2 tonneau, AMP BedStep, Factor55 Ultrahook with 100ft 7/16 synthetic winch line, Zroadz Grill with slim 20 inch light bar, DDM Tuning LEDs/HIDs, Magnaflow 19200 modified with upgraded resonator and after axle dump, tinted front windows 35%.

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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by TankerZak » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:25 pm

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2016 Granite Crystal Metallic Power Wagon Laramie, no graphics, debadged, Thuren front and rear coils, Traxada rear 1 inch spacer, Thuren rear swaybar links, Thuren rear trackbar, King 3.0 (Stage 4) front shocks, King 2.5 (Stage 3) rear shocks, Boogie front bump stops, Toyo RT 37x12.5R17 on Raceline Avenger 17x9 +20 wheels, DOR steering brace, Thuren King Steering Damper, White Knuckle rock sliders, Dethloff skid plate, Purple Cranium Half Spider front and rear diff guards, Airlift Ultimate airbags with Daystar cradles, Bakflip Revolver X2 tonneau, AMP BedStep, Factor55 Ultrahook with 100ft 7/16 synthetic winch line, Zroadz Grill with slim 20 inch light bar, DDM Tuning LEDs/HIDs, Magnaflow 19200 modified with upgraded resonator and after axle dump, tinted front windows 35%.

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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by TankerZak » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:26 pm

Let me know if you guys want the measurement pics we took. Too much to post if no one cares.
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by yellowranger1 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:03 pm

Looks great! Where did you measure to? I'm interested to see exactly how much you gained. I'm still trying to decide what coils to go with on mine. Thuren .5, 1.5, or a Carli Hemi coil that I can pick up and install same day along with some 2.5s...

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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by TankerZak » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:36 pm

I measured from the ground to the apex of the wheel wells. I gained the 1.5 inches exactly in the front. I.keep recovery gear in the back with rambox weight and a 5 gallon full gas can against the tailgate. I'm actually 1/8th of an inch high in the front as loaded. I think I'd be level if i took gas can and chains, and recovery gear out. I used the Thuren 1.5 springs. Carli uses stock type springs and i didnt want that. This turned out perfect. And cheap!!
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by jpbrazill » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:39 am

Have you noticed any inconsistancies in the front springs compared to stock? Meaning the front doesnt feel balanced to the rear, stiffer/softer in the front compared to stock? Etc?
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by TankerZak » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:56 am

jpbrazill wrote:
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Have you noticed any inconsistancies in the front springs compared to stock? Meaning the front doesnt feel balanced to the rear, stiffer/softer in the front compared to stock? Etc?
Nope, everything feels at least as good as stock. I think it actually feels better. I haven't had it aligned yet, but besides that I have no downside.
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Nice before & after pic’s👍; good looking truck! Good info for jpbrazil!
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by IIIOIISTER » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:36 pm

Just get the Carli 3" Hemi coils and pop those 2.5 bad boys in there!
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by yellowranger1 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:25 pm

Ordered some Carli Hemi 3" coils and 2.5s from CJC on Friday, and got the delivery notification by noon on Tuesday. Really excited to get some real shocks on the blue whale! Now I need to lay down a bunch of miles on my 35" RT's so I can justify upping to a 37"... 20k on them and still lots left in them!

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Post by BoldAdventure » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:16 pm

yellowranger1 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:25 pm
Ordered some Carli Hemi 3" coils and 2.5s from CJC on Friday, and got the delivery notification by noon on Tuesday. Really excited to get some real shocks on the blue whale! Now I need to lay down a bunch of miles on my 35" RT's so I can justify upping to a 37"... 20k on them and still lots left in them!
Time to truss that axle. :cheers:
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yellowranger1 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:25 pm
Ordered some Carli Hemi 3" coils and 2.5s from CJC on Friday, and got the delivery notification by noon on Tuesday. Really excited to get some real shocks on the blue whale! Now I need to lay down a bunch of miles on my 35" RT's so I can justify upping to a 37"... 20k on them and still lots left in them!
Nothing wrong with selling a good set of tires and putting that money toward a new set. I prefer doing that, rather than having nothing at the end and having to drive 20K miles on half worn/well worn tires. I like to sell the tires with half or better tread for half the price give or tank, which gets me into a new set of tires for half the price give or take... basically always having a near new set of tires :D
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by RPS1030 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm

olyelr wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:16 pm
yellowranger1 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:25 pm
Ordered some Carli Hemi 3" coils and 2.5s from CJC on Friday, and got the delivery notification by noon on Tuesday. Really excited to get some real shocks on the blue whale! Now I need to lay down a bunch of miles on my 35" RT's so I can justify upping to a 37"... 20k on them and still lots left in them!
Nothing wrong with selling a good set of tires and putting that money toward a new set. I prefer doing that, rather than having nothing at the end and having to drive 20K miles on half worn/well worn tires. I like to sell the tires with half or better tread for half the price give or tank, which gets me into a new set of tires for half the price give or take... basically always having a near new set of tires :D
I think I'm about to do similar. Move the current 37s over to the little M116A3 I just picked up to use as a RTT/Camp trailer and put a fresh set on the truck. Better than throwing much cash at more ancient Military Goodyears.
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by Reloaderguy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:24 pm

RPS1030 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm
olyelr wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:16 pm
yellowranger1 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:25 pm
Ordered some Carli Hemi 3" coils and 2.5s from CJC on Friday, and got the delivery notification by noon on Tuesday. Really excited to get some real shocks on the blue whale! Now I need to lay down a bunch of miles on my 35" RT's so I can justify upping to a 37"... 20k on them and still lots left in them!
Nothing wrong with selling a good set of tires and putting that money toward a new set. I prefer doing that, rather than having nothing at the end and having to drive 20K miles on half worn/well worn tires. I like to sell the tires with half or better tread for half the price give or tank, which gets me into a new set of tires for half the price give or take... basically always having a near new set of tires :D
I think I'm about to do similar. Move the current 37s over to the little M116A3 I just picked up to use as a RTT/Camp trailer and put a fresh set on the truck. Better than throwing much cash at more ancient Military Goodyears.
Same here. 42s aren't cheap enough to just recycle my 37s.
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Re: Suspension question...again

Post by Anywhere_wagon » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:53 am

Pure performance chase 4.5......... thoughts?

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