Overland 1.5 inch Spring w/King OEM 2.5 Shock

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Overland 1.5 inch Spring w/King OEM 2.5 Shock

Post by trailerpup » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:03 pm

New 2018 PW owner, converted from Tundra.

I just received King 2.5 shocks and installed the rears. Can I run the Thuren 1.5 inch Overland spring with these shocks? On my Tundra the front lift (King coil overs) was pretty easy to install (for a first timer). I also swapped out the Tundra upper control arms with Camburgs when I installed the Kings. All in all, it was pretty easy to do. I am wondering if I can tackle swapping out front springs on the PW. The King front shock resi mounts require the front spring to basically be removed anyway...

Swapping the front springs out would also motivate me to get the Synergy drag link to replace the fubar welded unit the truck came with.

I would want to add the 1 inch Traxda spacer for the rear to keep the rake. If I can do the front springs myself I figure I can install spacers in the rear.

Thanks for any information folks are willing to provide.

Great forum, I hope to be able to contribute in the future.

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Re: Overland 1.5 inch Spring w/King OEM 2.5 Shock

Post by olyelr » Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:29 am

If you changed out coilovers on a Tundra I would think you would have no prob changing out the springs on the power wagon. Biggest thing is to watch out for the brake lines and electrical lines getting stretched when dropping the axles down. Unhooking the track bars and sway bars helps a ton as well.

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Post by DamageWagon » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:52 am

Whoa, I’m confused. I’m a dealer/installer for thurens parts and I’m happy to give you info to do the work yourself. What is the exact setup you’ve got going on that is different from stock?

Did you buy the shocks direct from King? If so, they’re really the wrong shocks. Both the dimensions and the valving are going to be way off unfortunately. If they’re thuren or Carli shocks you’re good to go. You can run King’s in-house shocks but there are sacrifices and you’re not able to play with the springs like you’re supposed to, and they should probably be revalved before use.

You don’t HAVE to remove the front coils if you like he stock ones, the resi mount from thuren doesn’t need the coils removed.

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Post by Oilbrnr » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:08 am

I'll let DWagon help you with the front situation, but in chatting with you over on WTW, you have a FWC and the EXP1 rear bumper, the spacer is fine, but you really should think about AirLift/Daystar and the Thuren rear trackbar/relo IMHO.
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Post by 1pieceatatime » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:00 pm

I’m looking to add a spacer to my tear as well to recover some rake post-Thuren. Is there any reason to choose a spacer that sits under the spring (latest Traxda design) vs. those that sit on top of the spring (pretty much every other option, as far as I can tell).

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Post by SeppW » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:15 pm

trailerpup wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:03 pm

Swapping the front springs out would also motivate me to get the Synergy drag link to replace the fubar welded unit the truck came with.
I was thinking about doing this, but FCA will not reimburse because it not a genuine MOPAR part and not the approved fix. I didn't make that up, but what the dealer parts guy told me when I tried to order a 2019 drag link, because they are indeed redesigned. The bulletin for the inspection and the welding, if required, is supposed to be, again according to the dealer, an interim fix until a permanent solution is available. Apparently this solution is due to be released sometime in November this year.

As the Missourians say, "show me."

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Post by TankerZak » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 pm

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trailerpup wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:03 pm

Swapping the front springs out would also motivate me to get the Synergy drag link to replace the fubar welded unit the truck came with.
I was thinking about doing this, but FCA will not reimburse because it not a genuine MOPAR part and not the approved fix. I didn't make that up, but what the dealer parts guy told me when I tried to order a 2019 drag link, because they are indeed redesigned. The bulletin for the inspection and the welding, if required, is supposed to be, again according to the dealer, an interim fix until a permanent solution is available. Apparently this solution is due to be released sometime in November this year.

As the Missourians say, "show me."
FCA reimbursed me for the Synergy drag link.

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Post by SeppW » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:15 pm

TankerZak wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 pm
FCA reimbursed me for the Synergy drag link.

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Maybe your case is the exception and your claim was processed by the right person. I have read anecdotal accounts that support what I was told by the dealer. The fact they refused to order the part and all the other excuses despite pressing him, he kept to the story. Anecdotal evidence also says FCA rarely reimburses for after market parts unless it's installed by a dealer and even then it is a roll of the dice.

I read on the Cummins forum where claim was denied, but in this case the owner replaced the drag link after recall fix was done, and then tried to claim the after market drag link installation. Naturally FCA denied it and another poster who apparently had insider information said a permanent fix was available, but in limited quantities. If you wanted a new drag link would require pressing the dealer you don't won't the recall fix, but insist the new drag link is installed.

I have not taken my truck in for the recall yet, I may still go with it replacing it with Synergy, but there is too much confusion on the whole issue. Is it worth quibbling over $300? Probably not, but it's the principal and $300 buys a lot beer anyway.

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Re: Overland 1.5 inch Spring w/King OEM 2.5 Shock

Post by TankerZak » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:01 pm

SeppW wrote:
TankerZak wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 pm
FCA reimbursed me for the Synergy drag link.

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Maybe your case is the exception and your claim was processed by the right person. I have read anecdotal accounts that support what I was told by the dealer. The fact they refused to order the part and all the other excuses despite pressing him, he kept to the story. Anecdotal evidence also says FCA rarely reimburses for after market parts unless it's installed by a dealer and even then it is a roll of the dice.

I read on the Cummins forum where claim was denied, but in this case the owner replaced the drag link after recall fix was done, and then tried to claim the after market drag link installation. Naturally FCA denied it and another poster who apparently had insider information said a permanent fix was available, but in limited quantities. If you wanted a new drag link would require pressing the dealer you don't won't the recall fix, but insist the new drag link is installed.

I have not taken my truck in for the recall yet, I may still go with it replacing it with Synergy, but there is too much confusion on the whole issue. Is it worth quibbling over $300? Probably not, but it's the principal and $300 buys a lot beer anyway.
Idk what to tell ya. I bought the entire synergy kit and sent them the receipt and an estimate of what the drag link only price would be. I stated i was self installing. Submitted the reciept online and they approved it and are sending me a check. It's a 2016 and recall was never done.

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Re: Overland 1.5 inch Spring w/King OEM 2.5 Shock

Post by trailerpup » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:52 pm

I ended up ordering the entire Synergy steering kit and Thuren front/rear track bars. It has taken a while for the WK sliders to be shipped but they are on the way. Have been waiting on the sliders to put everything on at the same time. Front springs will go on with the rest in a couple weeks. Expo1 bumper arrived and I'll give it a try despite all the negative feedback. Waiting on the bumper step tread to come back from powder... Thanks.

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Post by Havn2muchfun » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:40 pm

TankerZak wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:01 pm
SeppW wrote:
TankerZak wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 pm
FCA reimbursed me for the Synergy drag link.

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Maybe your case is the exception and your claim was processed by the right person. I have read anecdotal accounts that support what I was told by the dealer. The fact they refused to order the part and all the other excuses despite pressing him, he kept to the story. Anecdotal evidence also says FCA rarely reimburses for after market parts unless it's installed by a dealer and even then it is a roll of the dice.

I read on the Cummins forum where claim was denied, but in this case the owner replaced the drag link after recall fix was done, and then tried to claim the after market drag link installation. Naturally FCA denied it and another poster who apparently had insider information said a permanent fix was available, but in limited quantities. If you wanted a new drag link would require pressing the dealer you don't won't the recall fix, but insist the new drag link is installed.

I have not taken my truck in for the recall yet, I may still go with it replacing it with Synergy, but there is too much confusion on the whole issue. Is it worth quibbling over $300? Probably not, but it's the principal and $300 buys a lot beer anyway.
Idk what to tell ya. I bought the entire synergy kit and sent them the receipt and an estimate of what the drag link only price would be. I stated i was self installing. Submitted the reciept online and they approved it and are sending me a check. It's a 2016 and recall was never done.

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Can I ask how and where you submitted that? Would like to try the same thing
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Post by TankerZak » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:29 pm

Havn2muchfun wrote:
TankerZak wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:01 pm
SeppW wrote:
TankerZak wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 pm
FCA reimbursed me for the Synergy drag link.

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Maybe your case is the exception and your claim was processed by the right person. I have read anecdotal accounts that support what I was told by the dealer. The fact they refused to order the part and all the other excuses despite pressing him, he kept to the story. Anecdotal evidence also says FCA rarely reimburses for after market parts unless it's installed by a dealer and even then it is a roll of the dice.

I read on the Cummins forum where claim was denied, but in this case the owner replaced the drag link after recall fix was done, and then tried to claim the after market drag link installation. Naturally FCA denied it and another poster who apparently had insider information said a permanent fix was available, but in limited quantities. If you wanted a new drag link would require pressing the dealer you don't won't the recall fix, but insist the new drag link is installed.

I have not taken my truck in for the recall yet, I may still go with it replacing it with Synergy, but there is too much confusion on the whole issue. Is it worth quibbling over $300? Probably not, but it's the principal and $300 buys a lot beer anyway.
Idk what to tell ya. I bought the entire synergy kit and sent them the receipt and an estimate of what the drag link only price would be. I stated i was self installing. Submitted the reciept online and they approved it and are sending me a check. It's a 2016 and recall was never done.

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Can I ask how and where you submitted that? Would like to try the same thing
I think there was a link in the app. Check the Facebook groups. I don't remember the link but it wasn't hard to find.

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Post by SeppW » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:57 pm

Havn2muchfun wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:40 pm
Can I ask how and where you submitted that? Would like to try the same thing
If you have a Ram owners account, there is a link on your dashboard for recalls and for repair reimbursements or here: recalls.mopar.com

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Post by trailerpup » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:34 pm

Got the front end sorted. Waiting on Thuren truss and DOR brace to get here. Then I think I'm pretty much tapped out for the front end for a while. Going to wait to upgrade the ball joints and RCV axles as part of the re-gear and 37's this spring. Anyone have experience with Thuren XHD sway bar links?
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Post by DamageWagon » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:45 pm

I don’t see any hydro assist in there? It’s like you’re not even trying :)

The thuren links are great. Frankly overkill. Unless yours are worn out the Power Wagon links are just fine. The rear links (and the front links on non-PW’s) are more necessary.

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Post by Reloaderguy » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:13 am

If I were starting over today the first mods I'd do would be the rear track bar and hydro assist. The front end on the '14+ trucks don't just up and wear out and they definitely last longer with hydro. I don't see the benefit of changing the tierod unless it is damaged.

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