Board index Miscellaneous Off-Topic

Stuff that doesn't pertain to PWs and general chit-chat

10mm Doubles

Postby adeluca73 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:03 pm

Ok, this is for the gun gang...you're much more rational, and much less a-holes than those jackwagons on gun sites.

I am getting back into 10mm...again. But this time it's more for a hunting sidearm, truck gun, tree stand gun etc, not self defense anymore. I have a Glock G40 long slide in 10mm. It's a double stack, 6.02" bbl heavy slide pistol. I like it. It's hefty and points well. The grip is wide, and is tough to control with one hand shooting Norma spec full pwr 10mm loads, but not bad with two hands, very shootable, nothing sexy, it just functions.

Glock G40:
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g40gen4mos

I want to invest in another 10mm, but in the 1911 frame style. I was looking at Dan Wilson ($2K+), Colt delta Elite ($1100), Kimber ($1000-$1200), and now the Remington R1 10mm Long Slide ($1000-$1300). Shoot, even Sig has chambered the venerable P220 in 10mm, but only in their Elite model, which is around $1400+--I have a P220 Elite in .45acp, great gun, but that's a steep price, and not sure if want another P220, even with the SRT trigger, I'm not a huge fan of the Sig LOOOONG trigger take up, I think for the $$ Sigs have a terrible trigger (and I have 3). I've even read CZ-USA is thinking of bringing back the infamous BrenTen of Miami Vice lore, maybe next year, although, not a gun I'd buy.

Remington R1 1911 10mm:
https://www.remington.com/handguns/mode ... 0mm-hunter

Sig Sauer P220 Elite Hunter:
https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firea ... tols/p220/

Colt Delta:
http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Pistols/Delta-Elite

Kimber:
http://www.kimberamerica.com/custom-tle-rl-ii
http://www.kimberamerica.com/eclipse-custom-ii-lg

Then I cam across the "Big Rock" from Rock Island Armory (RIA). A true double stack 16rnd 1911 (called a 2011) long slide competition race/pro gun inspired configuration. They are still over $1000, which is a lot for a RIA, but they are feature packed, and cost about half of a comparable spec'd gun of another "major" brand even though RIA has been making guns since the '40's, Here's a link to it:

http://armscor.com/firearms/pro-series/ ... 6-hc-10mm/

Anyone have any thoughts/ideas/suggestions or another option in the 10mm world I'm not considering? I really like the thought of a double stack 1911 in 10mm.

:cheers:
2014 Ram PW SLT: Two tone Flame Red & Black
Completed Mods: Ram door sill guards, Front air deflector, WeatherTech slimline window deflectors, DiamondBack HD cover coated w/ Line-X, Mufflex MagnaFlow muffler & Resonator delete, Opti-Coat Pro 2.0, DeeZee tailgate strut, DeeZee ¼" fitted bed mat, Factor-55: FlatLink winch hook/Shorty Strap 3.0/Hitchlink 2.5, Warn Wireless Winch Remote, Locker by-pass, AEM dry filter, Truxedo LED bed lights wired into RamBox Connector, WhiteKnuckle sliders w/ full-length diamond plate coated in Line-X, Purple Cranium rear diff guard, AEV front/rear diff cover, AEV RAI w/ pre-filter, AEV ProCal (Bootleg'd), DOR Steering Box Brace, Phillips Hi intensity LEDs in cargo lamps & back-ups, triple anti-hop shocks, Truxx PW specific front 1.5" level, AAM 4.88's, custom black-out work, Line-X front/rear bumpers & wheel flares, 37" Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Plasti-dip PW wheels Black w/ Gunmetal metalizer, FilterMag kit, AMP Research BedStep
Next Mods: Thuren: {Coils, Track Bar, Boggie Bumps, King 2.5's shocks} , on-board air, HID low CANBUS replacement, LED HI, BD LED fogs
User avatar
adeluca73
2000_Posts
 
Posts: 2020
Joined: Mon May 19, 2014 9:56 pm
Location: The Pentagon, VA

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby DamageWagon » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:20 pm

RIA + a good gunsmith (though a lot won't touch RIA's) = one heck of a custom package for the price of a lot of bigger name guns


Sent from my safe space
User avatar
DamageWagon
1000_Posts
 
Posts: 1330
Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:21 pm

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Ducky's Dad » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:12 pm

Anyone have any thoughts/ideas/suggestions or another option in the 10mm world I'm not considering?

Hunting? Truck gun? Not self defense? Get a wheel gun, like a S&W 640 with the 6.5" barrel.
Ducky's Dad
1000_Posts
 
Posts: 1351
Joined: Thu May 24, 2012 8:55 pm

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby RustyPW » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:59 pm

What are you looking for? A single stack, or a double stack? Figure what you want there to narrow down the choices.
PWOC #53
2008 POWER WAGON RC
Mods to the PW; Nerffed Mopar RockRails, Wheel Well Liners, Bushwacker Pocket Fender Flairs, Garvmin dezl 560LMT GPS, Power Wagon Winch Kit, Line X Ultra Bed Liner, PIAA Headlight Bulbs, PIAA 580 Driving Lights (135 watt), PIAA 520 Fog Lights (135 watt), PIAA 520 ATP Off-Road Lights (135 watt), Locker Bypass, Modifed Rockcrusher Diff Covers, Mopar Utility Bed Rails and Tool Box, Warn Winch Wireless Remote Control, "el-cheapo" Inclinometer, Airaid CAI, Winch TPS Bypass, 35" Toyo's, Mopar Spare Tire Lock, 'T' Steering Linkage, Modifed PSC Steering Brace, P3 Brake Controller, Modifed Fusion "mall crawler" rear bumper , PIAA 1500 Back-Up Lights, 1Ton HEMI Tranny Cooler, Leer 100XR Bed Cap, Factory Tow Mirrors, CenterLine Rims 17x9-5.25 BS, Mag-Hytec Tranny Pan, AutoMeter Gauges, PSC Extreme Hydro Assist Steering, Carli Track Bar, Carli Ball-Joints, Dynatrac FreeSpin Hubs, Snorkel, RCV Axles, EBC Pads & Rotors, Aluminess Front Bumper, BIG Pul-Pal, 60" Extreme Hi-lift Jack, and more riggin' equipment, Carli Long Travel Air Bags, Bilstein 7100 Shocks - Carli Valving, MORE STUFF COMIN'.

Moab '10, '12, '14.
Rausch Creek Spring-Fall '11, Spring '12, Summer '13, Summer '14, Summer '15, Summer '16, Summer '17,
Russ NRA Benefactor Member
RustyPW
2000_Posts
 
Posts: 3379
Joined: Thu May 24, 2012 2:23 pm
Location: Brownsville Pa.

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby adeluca73 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:13 pm

RustyPW wrote:What are you looking for? A single stack, or a double stack? Figure what you want there to narrow down the choices.


I'd say I am intrigued by the perspective of a double stack 10mm in the 1911 package, but not wed to it. I am fairly certain i do want a 10mm 1911, thus the querying of the grp for opinions...
2014 Ram PW SLT: Two tone Flame Red & Black
Completed Mods: Ram door sill guards, Front air deflector, WeatherTech slimline window deflectors, DiamondBack HD cover coated w/ Line-X, Mufflex MagnaFlow muffler & Resonator delete, Opti-Coat Pro 2.0, DeeZee tailgate strut, DeeZee ¼" fitted bed mat, Factor-55: FlatLink winch hook/Shorty Strap 3.0/Hitchlink 2.5, Warn Wireless Winch Remote, Locker by-pass, AEM dry filter, Truxedo LED bed lights wired into RamBox Connector, WhiteKnuckle sliders w/ full-length diamond plate coated in Line-X, Purple Cranium rear diff guard, AEV front/rear diff cover, AEV RAI w/ pre-filter, AEV ProCal (Bootleg'd), DOR Steering Box Brace, Phillips Hi intensity LEDs in cargo lamps & back-ups, triple anti-hop shocks, Truxx PW specific front 1.5" level, AAM 4.88's, custom black-out work, Line-X front/rear bumpers & wheel flares, 37" Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Plasti-dip PW wheels Black w/ Gunmetal metalizer, FilterMag kit, AMP Research BedStep
Next Mods: Thuren: {Coils, Track Bar, Boggie Bumps, King 2.5's shocks} , on-board air, HID low CANBUS replacement, LED HI, BD LED fogs
User avatar
adeluca73
2000_Posts
 
Posts: 2020
Joined: Mon May 19, 2014 9:56 pm
Location: The Pentagon, VA

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby RustyPW » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:46 pm

I wanted a Colt Delta Elite when they first came out. It was one of the should have, could have, would have. But never did pull the trigger on it. :roll:
PWOC #53
2008 POWER WAGON RC
Mods to the PW; Nerffed Mopar RockRails, Wheel Well Liners, Bushwacker Pocket Fender Flairs, Garvmin dezl 560LMT GPS, Power Wagon Winch Kit, Line X Ultra Bed Liner, PIAA Headlight Bulbs, PIAA 580 Driving Lights (135 watt), PIAA 520 Fog Lights (135 watt), PIAA 520 ATP Off-Road Lights (135 watt), Locker Bypass, Modifed Rockcrusher Diff Covers, Mopar Utility Bed Rails and Tool Box, Warn Winch Wireless Remote Control, "el-cheapo" Inclinometer, Airaid CAI, Winch TPS Bypass, 35" Toyo's, Mopar Spare Tire Lock, 'T' Steering Linkage, Modifed PSC Steering Brace, P3 Brake Controller, Modifed Fusion "mall crawler" rear bumper , PIAA 1500 Back-Up Lights, 1Ton HEMI Tranny Cooler, Leer 100XR Bed Cap, Factory Tow Mirrors, CenterLine Rims 17x9-5.25 BS, Mag-Hytec Tranny Pan, AutoMeter Gauges, PSC Extreme Hydro Assist Steering, Carli Track Bar, Carli Ball-Joints, Dynatrac FreeSpin Hubs, Snorkel, RCV Axles, EBC Pads & Rotors, Aluminess Front Bumper, BIG Pul-Pal, 60" Extreme Hi-lift Jack, and more riggin' equipment, Carli Long Travel Air Bags, Bilstein 7100 Shocks - Carli Valving, MORE STUFF COMIN'.

Moab '10, '12, '14.
Rausch Creek Spring-Fall '11, Spring '12, Summer '13, Summer '14, Summer '15, Summer '16, Summer '17,
Russ NRA Benefactor Member
RustyPW
2000_Posts
 
Posts: 3379
Joined: Thu May 24, 2012 2:23 pm
Location: Brownsville Pa.

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby thedriver21 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:22 am

I know if the Colt Rail Guns in .45ACP are anything to go on, then I would choose the Delta Elite for sure. All the sheriffs deputys that still rock 1911's where I work believe that they are the best stock gun you can get at the moment.
2013 PW Tradesman-Copperhead Pearl : 3in Springs, End links, Overland Shocks, and Track Bar by Thuren, Carli Control Arms, 1in Synergy Shackles, Fastman 85mm Throttle Body, HemiFever Tuning, Kicker Speakers All Around, Laptop GPS System

"I didn't become an EMT to get a front-row seat to other people's tragedies. I did it because I knew the world was bleeding and so was I, and somewhere inside I knew the only way to stop my own bleeding was to learn how to stop someone else's."
User avatar
thedriver21
50_Posts
 
Posts: 60
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:33 pm
Location: Chino Hills, CA

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby adeluca73 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:54 am

thedriver21 wrote:I know if the Colt Rail Guns in .45ACP are anything to go on, then I would choose the Delta Elite for sure. All the sheriffs deputys that still rock 1911's where I work believe that they are the best stock gun you can get at the moment.


My West Point class pistol is a series 80 Colt 1911 (last military issued model before the Beretta 92FS 9mm). I swapped most of the internals with Ed Brown (few Wilson) parts, it's my best shooting of the several 1911's I own. Thus that's why the Delta Elite is under consideration, but in the single stack cat., there's some stiff 10mm competition right now, and not sure the Colt stacks up...see the other few options I listed, and there's more I found last night. 10mm in 1911 pkg is making a BIG resurgence. But that 2011 is very tempting...I need to fondle one, but I can't find a LGS stocking RIA's, especially that one, which is apparently Hen's teeth right now.
2014 Ram PW SLT: Two tone Flame Red & Black
Completed Mods: Ram door sill guards, Front air deflector, WeatherTech slimline window deflectors, DiamondBack HD cover coated w/ Line-X, Mufflex MagnaFlow muffler & Resonator delete, Opti-Coat Pro 2.0, DeeZee tailgate strut, DeeZee ¼" fitted bed mat, Factor-55: FlatLink winch hook/Shorty Strap 3.0/Hitchlink 2.5, Warn Wireless Winch Remote, Locker by-pass, AEM dry filter, Truxedo LED bed lights wired into RamBox Connector, WhiteKnuckle sliders w/ full-length diamond plate coated in Line-X, Purple Cranium rear diff guard, AEV front/rear diff cover, AEV RAI w/ pre-filter, AEV ProCal (Bootleg'd), DOR Steering Box Brace, Phillips Hi intensity LEDs in cargo lamps & back-ups, triple anti-hop shocks, Truxx PW specific front 1.5" level, AAM 4.88's, custom black-out work, Line-X front/rear bumpers & wheel flares, 37" Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Plasti-dip PW wheels Black w/ Gunmetal metalizer, FilterMag kit, AMP Research BedStep
Next Mods: Thuren: {Coils, Track Bar, Boggie Bumps, King 2.5's shocks} , on-board air, HID low CANBUS replacement, LED HI, BD LED fogs
User avatar
adeluca73
2000_Posts
 
Posts: 2020
Joined: Mon May 19, 2014 9:56 pm
Location: The Pentagon, VA

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Chubbs » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:23 am

Have you checked the trigger on the SAO (Single Action Only) SIGs. As much as I have always wanted a Delta Elite, if I was buying a 10mm right now, that would be the direction I was looking.
Chubbs
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:34 pm

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby adeluca73 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:15 am

Chubbs wrote:Have you checked the trigger on the SAO (Single Action Only) SIGs. As much as I have always wanted a Delta Elite, if I was buying a 10mm right now, that would be the direction I was looking.


No I haven't....I see that in addition to the Sig P220 Elite Hunter in 10mm, Sig is offering their SAO 1911 style pistols in 10mm too. So I am really torn now, I have not shot any of the Sig 1911 styled guns, but I remember reading reviews on their initial 1911 offerings and remember them not being super warmly revered....but that was 10yrs ago I think.

Choices:

  • Sig P220 Elite
  • Sig 1911 SAO
  • Remington R11 Long Slide Hunter
  • Colt Delta Elite
  • Kimber Eclipse or TLE II Custom
  • RIA "the big rock" double stack 1911
2014 Ram PW SLT: Two tone Flame Red & Black
Completed Mods: Ram door sill guards, Front air deflector, WeatherTech slimline window deflectors, DiamondBack HD cover coated w/ Line-X, Mufflex MagnaFlow muffler & Resonator delete, Opti-Coat Pro 2.0, DeeZee tailgate strut, DeeZee ¼" fitted bed mat, Factor-55: FlatLink winch hook/Shorty Strap 3.0/Hitchlink 2.5, Warn Wireless Winch Remote, Locker by-pass, AEM dry filter, Truxedo LED bed lights wired into RamBox Connector, WhiteKnuckle sliders w/ full-length diamond plate coated in Line-X, Purple Cranium rear diff guard, AEV front/rear diff cover, AEV RAI w/ pre-filter, AEV ProCal (Bootleg'd), DOR Steering Box Brace, Phillips Hi intensity LEDs in cargo lamps & back-ups, triple anti-hop shocks, Truxx PW specific front 1.5" level, AAM 4.88's, custom black-out work, Line-X front/rear bumpers & wheel flares, 37" Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Plasti-dip PW wheels Black w/ Gunmetal metalizer, FilterMag kit, AMP Research BedStep
Next Mods: Thuren: {Coils, Track Bar, Boggie Bumps, King 2.5's shocks} , on-board air, HID low CANBUS replacement, LED HI, BD LED fogs
User avatar
adeluca73
2000_Posts
 
Posts: 2020
Joined: Mon May 19, 2014 9:56 pm
Location: The Pentagon, VA

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Rodeoflyer » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:54 pm

You're looking at competition/tactical handguns for a truck/hunting sidearm? I carry a Ruger LC9S Pro as my hunting sidearm in a Mitch Rosen custom leather paddle holster. I can work with it, climb, stoop, run, anything I need to do and forget it's even there. If I need to draw its available in an instant. I own a Glock 35 ipsc type handgun (5.3" barrel) but it's a pita to carry and move around in an outdoor activity situation. I also cc a Ruger LCR in 327 federal. Six shot. That's another great option. It can fire from a jacket or pants pocket unlike an auto.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk
User avatar
Rodeoflyer
250_Posts
 
Posts: 274
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:53 am
Location: New Braunfels, TX

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby adeluca73 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:08 pm

Rodeoflyer wrote:You're looking at competition/tactical handguns for a truck/hunting sidearm? I carry a Ruger LC9S Pro as my hunting sidearm in a Mitch Rosen custom leather paddle holster. I can work with it, climb, stoop, run, anything I need to do and forget it's even there. If I need to draw its available in an instant. I own a Glock 35 ipsc type handgun (5.3" barrel) but it's a pita to carry and move around in an outdoor activity situation. I also cc a Ruger LCR in 327 federal. Six shot. That's another great option. It can fire from a jacket or pants pocket unlike an auto.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk


Yes. I had a LCS and a LCP, and now have an LCR in .357. I would not carry that, the LCP, LCS, or my G43 or PF9 as 'hunting' arms, or bear pro arms. In AK I carried a Ruger Super RedHawk, ported, with 4" BBL in 454 Casull as my Bear gun. I am looking for a 6" bbl 1911 style 10mm, it's a great platform for hunting. Not sure if the double 10mm would be as good, probably too heavy, but the 16 rnds is enticing. My G40 6" bbl with 16rnds has been a solid performer, looking to pair it with a 1911 styled 10mm.
2014 Ram PW SLT: Two tone Flame Red & Black
Completed Mods: Ram door sill guards, Front air deflector, WeatherTech slimline window deflectors, DiamondBack HD cover coated w/ Line-X, Mufflex MagnaFlow muffler & Resonator delete, Opti-Coat Pro 2.0, DeeZee tailgate strut, DeeZee ¼" fitted bed mat, Factor-55: FlatLink winch hook/Shorty Strap 3.0/Hitchlink 2.5, Warn Wireless Winch Remote, Locker by-pass, AEM dry filter, Truxedo LED bed lights wired into RamBox Connector, WhiteKnuckle sliders w/ full-length diamond plate coated in Line-X, Purple Cranium rear diff guard, AEV front/rear diff cover, AEV RAI w/ pre-filter, AEV ProCal (Bootleg'd), DOR Steering Box Brace, Phillips Hi intensity LEDs in cargo lamps & back-ups, triple anti-hop shocks, Truxx PW specific front 1.5" level, AAM 4.88's, custom black-out work, Line-X front/rear bumpers & wheel flares, 37" Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Plasti-dip PW wheels Black w/ Gunmetal metalizer, FilterMag kit, AMP Research BedStep
Next Mods: Thuren: {Coils, Track Bar, Boggie Bumps, King 2.5's shocks} , on-board air, HID low CANBUS replacement, LED HI, BD LED fogs
User avatar
adeluca73
2000_Posts
 
Posts: 2020
Joined: Mon May 19, 2014 9:56 pm
Location: The Pentagon, VA

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Reloaderguy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:34 pm

The Dan Wesson is the only model you listed that I'd buy. Mainly because I don't like 1911's but also because most of the others are shot. Personally I'd put a KKM in the G40 and spend the rest of the money on a rifle. Revolvers aren't more reliable than a good auto.
Best Year Power Wagon
User avatar
Reloaderguy
1000_Posts
 
Posts: 1279
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:06 am
Location: Oregon

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Rodeoflyer » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:49 pm

I have a kkm in the g35, aluminum trigger and titanium striker/plunger, 3 lb connector, light striker spring and dremel mirror polished feed and every part in the handgun. The kkm barrel is great.

From your original post I would recommend the Kimber or better yet STI International right here in TX.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk
User avatar
Rodeoflyer
250_Posts
 
Posts: 274
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:53 am
Location: New Braunfels, TX

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Reloaderguy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:41 pm

I think you're missing out if you don't at least look at a Tanfo / EAA Witness Hunter 10mm. It's a 10mm in a CZ style race frame with a tuned CZ style ignition system. As good as the Dan Wesson and better than everything else you listed. http://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/handg ... foglio-109

I had a Sig 1911, what an abortion. They broached the magwell crooked and nothing lined up. Sig replaced that pistol three times and never got it right. Any time I hear Sig USA and "match" in the same sentence I can't help but laugh.
Best Year Power Wagon
User avatar
Reloaderguy
1000_Posts
 
Posts: 1279
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:06 am
Location: Oregon

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby TankerZak » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:12 pm

I just did a .460 Rowland conversion on a .45 Springfield XD for a better SD handgun while hunting. .460 Rowland lands somewhere between a 10mm and a .44 mag. Can shoot .45 ACP .45 Super .45 SMC and .460 Rowland. Wouldn't be my first choice for bear but it'd for sure work. Its available in a few platforms, including 1911 XD and Glock.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
TankerZak
50_Posts
 
Posts: 242
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:43 pm

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby TankerZak » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:28 pm

I also carry it in an Andrews Monarch custom leather shoulder holster counter balanced by two 13rnd mags and a drop point fixed blade (ka-bar navy mark 1). Makes a nice package for hunting for me. Waist mounted stuff doesn't work well for me. Belt just won't stay up. But that's 10+1 and 2 13 round replacements of .460 Rowland. That's STOUT. And its light and a platform I'm very familiar with.

I can turn that same XD into a 25+1 round carbine, a .45, a .460 Rowland, and a .22LR.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
TankerZak
50_Posts
 
Posts: 242
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:43 pm

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Rodeoflyer » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:55 pm

STI has a drop in kit in .460. That's a great option tankerzak. I was reading about a guy who stopped carrying his 454 casull because he can put 14 rds of .460 on a charging target in the time it takes to put 2-3 of 454 casull. We don't have anything down here in South Texas that requires that much firepower but a great option over 10mm.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk
User avatar
Rodeoflyer
250_Posts
 
Posts: 274
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:53 am
Location: New Braunfels, TX

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby adeluca73 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:25 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:I think you're missing out if you don't at least look at a Tanfo / EAA Witness Hunter 10mm. It's a 10mm in a CZ style race frame with a tuned CZ style ignition system. As good as the Dan Wesson and better than everything else you listed. http://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/handg ... foglio-109

I had a Sig 1911, what an abortion. They broached the magwell crooked and nothing lined up. Sig replaced that pistol three times and never got it right. Any time I hear Sig USA and "match" in the same sentence I can't help but laugh.


No, I have looked at both EAA & STI. Not a huge CZ fan (had a CZ75 long time ago, it was ehh) especially of its Italian knock-off Tangfolio, & we'll disagree on where EAA resides in the pantheon of firearm manufacturers. The Witness Hunter is a very similiar product as the RIA Big Rock 2011, right? Both are supped up race spec double 10's from a traditionally lower tier priced company, selling remakes of other established designs, at price friendly levels--RIA Big Rock 2011 MSRP : $1300, EAA Witness Hunter MSRP : $1300. I think your assertion "better than everything else listed" is a long stretch, unverified, and not substantiated by any measure of demonstrable standards. But im open to reviewing data or other info stating thus--but it is a great looking gun, maybe if i can find one at a irresistible price ($950-$1K is street $) I'd give it a go, can always trade it off if it's not for me.

I don't want to spend $2K for an STI (although they're awesome, like a Caspian) if I don't have to. The Sig 1911 isn't a high contender right now, but the P220 elite is.

Honestly $1K is my comfort zone, maybe $1300 if i really loved something. The Wesson is still above my price range, but it's the gold std in 10mm in my opinion, which brings the Delta Elite in strong contention with the RIA double.
2014 Ram PW SLT: Two tone Flame Red & Black
Completed Mods: Ram door sill guards, Front air deflector, WeatherTech slimline window deflectors, DiamondBack HD cover coated w/ Line-X, Mufflex MagnaFlow muffler & Resonator delete, Opti-Coat Pro 2.0, DeeZee tailgate strut, DeeZee ¼" fitted bed mat, Factor-55: FlatLink winch hook/Shorty Strap 3.0/Hitchlink 2.5, Warn Wireless Winch Remote, Locker by-pass, AEM dry filter, Truxedo LED bed lights wired into RamBox Connector, WhiteKnuckle sliders w/ full-length diamond plate coated in Line-X, Purple Cranium rear diff guard, AEV front/rear diff cover, AEV RAI w/ pre-filter, AEV ProCal (Bootleg'd), DOR Steering Box Brace, Phillips Hi intensity LEDs in cargo lamps & back-ups, triple anti-hop shocks, Truxx PW specific front 1.5" level, AAM 4.88's, custom black-out work, Line-X front/rear bumpers & wheel flares, 37" Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Plasti-dip PW wheels Black w/ Gunmetal metalizer, FilterMag kit, AMP Research BedStep
Next Mods: Thuren: {Coils, Track Bar, Boggie Bumps, King 2.5's shocks} , on-board air, HID low CANBUS replacement, LED HI, BD LED fogs
User avatar
adeluca73
2000_Posts
 
Posts: 2020
Joined: Mon May 19, 2014 9:56 pm
Location: The Pentagon, VA

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby TankerZak » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:57 am

Rodeoflyer wrote:STI has a drop in kit in .460. That's a great option tankerzak. I was reading about a guy who stopped carrying his 454 casull because he can put 14 rds of .460 on a charging target in the time it takes to put 2-3 of 454 casull. We don't have anything down here in South Texas that requires that much firepower but a great option over 10mm.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

That's exactly where i landed. It came down to buying a 44 mag, 454 Casull, or 460 S&W revolvers for some stiff prices. or buying a drop in kit for something i already owned. And i think if faced off again with a bear (last two times it happened i had a 30-06) and i only had a pistol I'd rather be able to mag dump 13+1 of hard cast 255grn 460 Rowland. Knowing a mag change takes a split second, than standing with a 5 shot 454 Cassul like the short brl Ruger Alaskan.

My vote is get an STI with a 460 rowland drop in!

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
TankerZak
50_Posts
 
Posts: 242
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:43 pm

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Reloaderguy » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:30 am

adeluca73 wrote:
Reloaderguy wrote:I think you're missing out if you don't at least look at a Tanfo / EAA Witness Hunter 10mm. It's a 10mm in a CZ style race frame with a tuned CZ style ignition system. As good as the Dan Wesson and better than everything else you listed. http://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/handg ... foglio-109

I had a Sig 1911, what an abortion. They broached the magwell crooked and nothing lined up. Sig replaced that pistol three times and never got it right. Any time I hear Sig USA and "match" in the same sentence I can't help but laugh.


No, I have looked at both EAA & STI. Not a huge CZ fan (had a CZ75 long time ago, it was ehh) especially of its Italian knock-off Tangfolio, & we'll disagree on where EAA resides in the pantheon of firearm manufacturers. The Witness Hunter is a very similiar product as the RIA Big Rock 2011, right? Both are supped up race spec double 10's from a traditionally lower tier priced company, selling remakes of other established designs, at price friendly levels--RIA Big Rock 2011 MSRP : $1300, EAA Witness Hunter MSRP : $1300. I think your assertion "better than everything else listed" is a long stretch, unverified, and not substantiated by any measure of demonstrable standards. But im open to reviewing data or other info stating thus--but it is a great looking gun, maybe if i can find one at a irresistible price ($950-$1K is street $) I'd give it a go, can always trade it off if it's not for me.

I don't want to spend $2K for an STI (although they're awesome, like a Caspian) if I don't have to. The Sig 1911 isn't a high contender right now, but the P220 elite is.

Honestly $1K is my comfort zone, maybe $1300 if i really loved something. The Wesson is still above my price range, but it's the gold std in 10mm in my opinion, which brings the Delta Elite in strong contention with the RIA double.


In the end what you want is what you want, no data in the world will change that. The only real way to demonstrate quality is to personally hold each example. Tanfo makes raceguns that go head to head with STI, they also make lower end guns but that isn't their main business. I wouldn't put a Filipino pot metal gun in the same category as an upper end Tanfo regardless of the RIA's pricepoint. Call it a knockoff or not, it's just silly. Of course, CZ makes race guns too and if the extent of your experience with the brand is a 1980 PD surplus gun then I don't know what to tell you. My built Shadow is nowhere close to "ehh".

As I said, I wouldn't buy from any of the companies you listed; Remington's QC is absolutely terrible right now, Colt is on the verge of bankruptcy, Kimber is still in love with MIM and poor QC, and RIA is a low end asian 1911. The quality of 1911's in the last 20 years has not improved, you're going to pay top dollar for low quality parts. Dan Wesson (CZ) is the only company you listed that seems to care about quality and actually makes a good product. The point about Sig is that their US built guns aren't the same quality as the German models despite the high price.

Frankly, the major selling point of the 10mm is that it is available in a double stack. Once you reduce magazine capacity to seven or eight rounds you may as well buy a wheelie gun with big horsepower. 10mm was always marketed as having close to 357mag energy in a high capacity magazine and relatively short barrel. There are only a couple of 10mm pistols on the market that are decent quality and high capacity and you already own one of them. My short list for 10mm is Glock and Tanfo. They are the only two high capacity 10mm guns in current production that were purpose built for the cartridge.

FWIW,YMMV

ETA: DW does the Razor Back in 10mm for $1400. Not cheap but less than $2K. http://danwessonfirearms.com/product/razorback-rz-10/
Last edited by Reloaderguy on Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Best Year Power Wagon
User avatar
Reloaderguy
1000_Posts
 
Posts: 1279
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:06 am
Location: Oregon

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby DamageWagon » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:40 am

I can second Remington having garbage QC and overall ability to make a good product. My 887 12ga literally blew apart in my girlfriends hands. Lucky us, that gun probably had 200 shells through it when I handed it to her and two shells in of birdshot the bolt fragmented. My 700 Long Range is just cheaply made. The stock is good, the barrel is good, the mechanism just seems off. Oh, and they can't get the effing rail mount bolts to be in a straight line on either gun! Seriously!? It's a machined part and I can eyeball the screws are off!? I won't be buying another Remington. Shouldn't have sold themselves to Freedom Group.


Sent from my safe space
User avatar
DamageWagon
1000_Posts
 
Posts: 1330
Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:21 pm

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby TankerZak » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:21 am

I have a Remington 760 in 30-06 that i LOVE. Magazine fed pump action with a rotating locking bolt. Accurate as hell. Been hunting with it for 30 years. I replaced the furniture with some lightweight synthetics and a folding stock. Makes it super handy.

Wouldn't buy a Remington today. If i was buying a bolt gun for modification I'd start with a Tikka most likely.

I did buy the Stoeger M3K 3 gun 12ga and that thing runs like a Bennelli. Super impressed and glad i didn't go Remington.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
TankerZak
50_Posts
 
Posts: 242
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:43 pm

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Reloaderguy » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:02 pm

adeluca73 wrote:
Then I cam across the "Big Rock" from Rock Island Armory (RIA). A true double stack 16rnd 1911 (called a 2011) long slide competition race/pro gun inspired configuration. They are still over $1000, which is a lot for a RIA, but they are feature packed, and cost about half of a comparable spec'd gun of another "major" brand even though RIA has been making guns since the '40's, Here's a link to it:

http://armscor.com/firearms/pro-series/ ... 6-hc-10mm/



By the way, the RIA pistol is not a "2011" pattern double stack, it is a Para P18. 2011 guns use a polymer grip and chassis and take specific 2011 pattern magazines. The 2011 magazines are the gold standard for double stack open race guns, P18 mags are somewhere between AIDS and Honda. They can be made to work, some work pretty well...some are a nightmare. Para was bought by Remington which seems to be prophetic since both have about the same level of poor quality.
Best Year Power Wagon
User avatar
Reloaderguy
1000_Posts
 
Posts: 1279
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:06 am
Location: Oregon

Re: 10mm Doubles

Postby Rodeoflyer » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:26 pm

I was going to say if it's a double stack must be a Para Ordnance. And I agree with the rest of your statement regarding their quality. :)
User avatar
Rodeoflyer
250_Posts
 
Posts: 274
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:53 am
Location: New Braunfels, TX

Next

Return to Off-Topic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest