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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby RustyPW » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:16 pm

Pictures of my reloading bench of about 3 years ago. I have to buy another gun safe. It's for my handguns. Out of room in the other one.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby Reloaderguy » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:52 pm

nts007 wrote:That's awesome reloader guy!!! I had nearly identical results with the 105 in 243! Completely underrated round for long range. I built a 243 AI to push the 115 DTACs to 3200 but I ended up using 105s as I had trouble finding a supply of 115s. I sold that rifle to my dad and am currently building a 7mm SAUM in a long action with the plan to use Bergers new 195g EOL pushed to 3000+/- long action cadex chassis. I'm necking down nosler 300SAUM brass and once I get the bullets I'm sending dimensions to pacific tool and gauge for a long throated reamer to keep jump around .020 and keep the bullet seated as long as possible with just enough bearing surface to keep it straight. I'm really excited about it. I've built a ton of conventional caliber builds and a few wildcats. I debated the 6.5 and it's a great caliber but never fit my needs. Here's a pic of a 308 with 168gr Berger next to a 7mm SAUM with a 165gr Berger for comparison


I did 7WSM for a while but it was an absolute pain in the ass in AICS SA mags. I've been thinking about a 6.5 SAUM, GAP has brass if you don't want to neck turn.

I'm not killing things at the range 7mm really shines so the 6mm and 6.5mm cartridges make more sense for me. Sierra's new 110gr 6mm looks better than the DTACs.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby adeluca73 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:41 am

I shot a 325WSM for a while in AK, economics didn't make sense, & velocities were just ok with 220gr Swift A-Frames. I have since bought a 300RUM & a 7mmRUM both in a 700LSS, both with a magna-break. Remington Factory 180gr Swift Scirooco loads list 3200FPS, I've only logged about 3140FPS, STD 50fps with the factory loads at about 1moa. I've loaded several different 180gr & 200gr loads with 2 different powders at 3 different seat depths. Best groups were 0.45moa at 3250FPS, STD 20FPS, w/ 200gr Nosler Accubonds over a 98.5% Max load of Retumbo, at book recommended COL.

I have not worked up as many loads with my 7RUM, both 150gr Hornady SST with 85gr RL25 seems like a good load thus far.

I have a nice F&D Defense variable gas piston AR-10 w/ a 22" fluted Kreiger BBL. I've shot that out to 500 with mostly factory 168gr Amax & FGMM, not super motivated to reload for that one yet, I've collected about 2500 cases & have about 1000 .308 bullets ... just waiting for a good reason. But with the ability to fine tune the gas flow, it's easy to dial in most any decent load in that rifle. I'll post up a few bench pics too. :lockedandloaded:
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby nts007 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:40 am

I wish I could keep my bench that organized all the time. I'm in the middle of making 300blk brass out of once fired 5.56 brass
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My 300wm with a 26" benchmark barrel pushing 208amax at 2900fps. Shoots 1/4 when im on my game. This is my prize rifle. I have taken her to 1500yards many times
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223 with 16" wylde shooting 70gr vld Bergers. Wife's favourite. Shoots minute of gopher out to 500yards
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Armalite ar-10 with 20" stainless match bull barrel. Only stretched it to 300yards so far but it's 1/2moa with 168bergers at 2830fps
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How about my own version of a honeybadger. 300blk 7.5" barrel. NEA stock. The thing is tiny. And fun to shoot.
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I have a bunch more ar and variants. Lots of hunting rifles. Couple dozen pistols and carbines. My go to hunting rifle is a Thompson Center icon that started its life as a 243win and is now a 338 federal.

Building rifles is one of my favourite things along with shooting and pushing the limits of what I can do. Most of the rifles can out shoot me really. It's amazing what just handloading can do to for some of the lamest rifles out there. For fun I grabbed two savage rifles an axis and a hunter both in 223 and using one of the cheapest bullets (Speer Tnt hollow points 50gr) both rifles sustained sub moa accuracy. The axis could barely hold 2.5" on factory ammo. Now it's my truck gun. Bounces round on the floor or wedged between seats and has shot more coyotes n skunks and other varmints than the rest combined. Except the 22lrs they still get a good workout.

If your willing to put in the investment (which isn't really that bad) handloading can not only improve your rifles accuracy but can really bring the cost of shooting down.

And what's awesome is finally after all these years I found out who on here is just as bad as me when it comes to this second hobby
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby TommyG » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:34 am

I still think that unless your mags are less than 2.90" you should go with 243/260. The Creedmore is pretty great in gas guns and AICS mags but short throated bolt guns running factory Winchester, Remington, and Tikka mags don't have the same COL limitations. I built a custom 243 a few years ago and I'm getting 3050fps with 105gr Bergers out of a 20" barrel without any pressure (I backed it down from 3200fps where pressure started to show). I challenge the 6 Creedmore and 6x47L shooters to duplicate that velocity without pressure signs. It all comes down to drop past 600 yards and with my current 6mm I can go back to less expensive and lighter weight 30mm tube optics because I only need about 7 MILs of elevation to get out to 1K yards.


Hear ya. It's funny you say that as we were just talking about 260 Rem last night. If we start to play with that I can build up an AR-10 platform and have a 260 upper along with 308. Pretty new to long range but I am hooked for sure. We have a lot of conventional calibers - 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag, 308, 270, etc. I can see how fast and flat like 243/260/6.xx mm would be very cool to shoot.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby TommyG » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:47 am

nts007 wrote:And what's awesome is finally after all these years I found out who on here is just as bad as me when it comes to this second hobby


Nice rifles. If the law goes through here I am going to do an 8.5 inch Blackout with my suppressor and run 110 V Max or 125 Nosler Ballistic Tips for deer. Gotta love 30-30 ballistics out of a package that small.

I am really new to long range. Mrs G got me a really nice chronograph for my birthday so I can really start playing with loads. I need to set aside a spot and get a reloading bench/station set up here. I have been shooting factory match ammo or relying on a buddy to work up loads for me but I want to work into rolling my own.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby Reloaderguy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:53 am

adeluca73 wrote:I shot a 325WSM for a while in AK, economics didn't make sense, & velocities were just ok with 220gr Swift A-Frames. I have since bought a 300RUM & a 7mmRUM both in a 700LSS, both with a magna-break. Remington Factory 180gr Swift Scirooco loads list 3200FPS, I've only logged about 3140FPS, STD 50fps with the factory loads at about 1moa. I've loaded several different 180gr & 200gr loads with 2 different powders at 3 different seat depths. Best groups were 0.45moa at 3250FPS, STD 20FPS, w/ 200gr Nosler Accubonds over a 98.5% Max load of Retumbo, at book recommended COL.

I have not worked up as many loads with my 7RUM, both 150gr Hornady SST with 85gr RL25 seems like a good load thus far.

I have a nice F&D Defense variable gas piston AR-10 w/ a 22" fluted Kreiger BBL. I've shot that out to 500 with mostly factory 168gr Amax & FGMM, not super motivated to reload for that one yet, I've collected about 2500 cases & have about 1000 .308 bullets ... just waiting for a good reason. But with the ability to fine tune the gas flow, it's easy to dial in most any decent load in that rifle. I'll post up a few bench pics too. :lockedandloaded:


WSM makes no sense; it's too long to seat long in short actions and needlessly short for Long Actions. SAUM is shorter and works better in short actions. 325 is an ugly stepchild.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby Reloaderguy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:55 am

RustyPW wrote:Pictures of my reloading bench of about 3 years ago. I have to buy another gun safe. It's for my handguns. Out of room in the other one.


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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby nts007 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:35 am

Haha the 325wsm is exactly as you say. Almost as bad as the wssm rounds

My 7mm SAUM is on a long action as the coal I need is past any short action mag length

Tommy the best thing with reloading is you can create match grade and better rounds tailored to perfection for your rifle! And it costs a ton less than buying match grade rounds
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby Reloaderguy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:48 am

nts007 wrote:Haha the 325wsm is exactly as you say. Almost as bad as the wssm rounds

My 7mm SAUM is on a long action as the coal I need is past any short action mag length

Tommy the best thing with reloading is you can create match grade and better rounds tailored to perfection for your rifle! And it costs a ton less than buying match grade rounds


I believe it, high BC 7mm are looooong. I probably would have kept my 7WSM if it were built on a long action. George Gardner did a good job on the rifle but feeding and ammo length sucked balls.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby w2dodge » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:44 am

before i bought my rifle..i had my ffl friend look for a AR in a 6.5...no chance or back order..and when he did it was too much for my budget..i was thinking about a build starting with a 80% lower but never built an AR...nice reloading setups and firearms
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby RustyPW » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:54 am

Reloaderguy wrote:
RustyPW wrote:Pictures of my reloading bench of about 3 years ago. I have to buy another gun safe. It's for my handguns. Out of room in the other one.


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It's under the bench.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby DamageWagon » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:58 pm

The ownership my local gun shop built an AR-10 on a .260 Rem pattern. That thing with a Nightforce scope was insane. We were shooting the primers out of shotgun shells at 110 yards all day. Easy to shoot too. I bought a 300 Win Mag on a 700 long Range platform. Love the rifle, haven't built it up yet, but man the round kicks.


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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby TommyG » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:19 pm

w2dodge wrote:before i bought my rifle..i had my ffl friend look for a AR in a 6.5...no chance or back order..and when he did it was too much for my budget..i was thinking about a build starting with a 80% lower but never built an AR...nice reloading setups and firearms


I have never machined an 80% lower but I have put together many ARs. If you don't want to tackle it yourself, you can accumulate all the parts over time and send it out to be assembled for a pretty reasonable charge. It is one of the great things about the AR platform.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby nts007 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:27 pm

If a person is really serious about learning long range shooting I highly suggest starting with a bolt action 22lr rifle with a decent 3-9 scope and practice to 200 yards. The fundamentals are extremely important and learning wind age and elevation and trigger pull and body form with a 22lr makes it much more cost efficient and much more fun. I would recommend that to anyone who wants to shoot elr past 1000. To stay Accurate past 1000 (by which I mean 1300+) the cartridges can really beat you up and your much past a standard hunting rifle. Nobody likes lugging around a 15lb+ hunting rifle lol.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby adeluca73 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:15 pm

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adeluca73 wrote:I shot a 325WSM for a while in AK, economics didn't make sense, & velocities were just ok with 220gr Swift A-Frames. I have since bought a 300RUM & a 7mmRUM both in a 700LSS, both with a magna-break. Remington Factory 180gr Swift Scirooco loads list 3200FPS, I've only logged about 3140FPS, STD 50fps with the factory loads at about 1moa. I've loaded several different 180gr & 200gr loads with 2 different powders at 3 different seat depths. Best groups were 0.45moa at 3250FPS, STD 20FPS, w/ 200gr Nosler Accubonds over a 98.5% Max load of Retumbo, at book recommended COL.

I have not worked up as many loads with my 7RUM, both 150gr Hornady SST with 85gr RL25 seems like a good load thus far.

I have a nice F&D Defense variable gas piston AR-10 w/ a 22" fluted Kreiger BBL. I've shot that out to 500 with mostly factory 168gr Amax & FGMM, not super motivated to reload for that one yet, I've collected about 2500 cases & have about 1000 .308 bullets ... just waiting for a good reason. But with the ability to fine tune the gas flow, it's easy to dial in most any decent load in that rifle. I'll post up a few bench pics too. :lockedandloaded:


WSM makes no sense; it's too long to seat long in short actions and needlessly short for Long Actions. SAUM is shorter and works better in short actions. 325 is an ugly stepchild.



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Postby vanished » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:13 am

I think this long range talk would be fun to try sometime but is a science in itself... longest range here is 300yds... hopefully my 7mm STW could hold its own... ;)


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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby TommyG » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:40 am

nts007 wrote:If a person is really serious about learning long range shooting I highly suggest starting with a bolt action 22lr rifle with a decent 3-9 scope and practice to 200 yards. The fundamentals are extremely important and learning wind age and elevation and trigger pull and body form with a 22lr makes it much more cost efficient and much more fun. I would recommend that to anyone who wants to shoot elr past 1000. To stay Accurate past 1000 (by which I mean 1300+) the cartridges can really beat you up and your much past a standard hunting rifle. Nobody likes lugging around a 15lb+ hunting rifle lol.


I spend a lot of time shooting dots at 100 working on fundamentals with my big rifle. My son just got a Savage Rascal since that is all he can reach right now. We are going to build a nice Savage mkii fv-sr for both of us to play with.

I am a huge believer in 22 for both long gun and handgun training.
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby w2dodge » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:05 am

i have an old marlin bolt action in 22cal..my kids shoot..my son does well ..my daughter not as good but shes younger....
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby MikeKey » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:37 pm

You guys are pretty hard core. I'm jealous. Thing about guns is you buy one and it's like a crack addiction.

I've got two AR's a few shotguns and handguns. But recently picked up a Ruger 10/22 just to plink with. Now I found I like target shooting and want a bigger caliber. :)

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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby nts007 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:46 pm

Target shooting is extremely addictive. Extremely.....

This is how my armalite ar-10 308 with Berger 168s does at 100 yards
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And this is how it does at 1000
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby adeluca73 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:57 pm

MikeKey wrote:You guys are pretty hard core. I'm jealous. Thing about guns is you buy one and it's like a crack addiction.

I've got two AR's a few shotguns and handguns. But recently picked up a Ruger 10/22 just to plink with. Now I found I like target shooting and want a bigger caliber. :)

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Mike, you're right it's an addiction. I've been collected (via my dad) since I was an early teen, and never really stopped. I forgo cheap guns, some guys like the quantity of having several inexpensive firearms, not for me, but each their own. I do meticulous research before buying any gun--usually 6mos-1yr before making multi-thousand dollar firearm purchases. I enjoy the research and then the hunt for that exact model.

AR's are a good platform to build off for several applications. Although I don't have all that many, well I mean it's relative I guess, but they're not a huge % of my overall inventory I guess is what I'm saying. I have a big, heavy, very accurate AR-10 in .308 w/ an identical upper in 260Rem (I prefer that over the 6.5C personally), the .308 is a 22" heavy fluted Kreiger bbl and the 260 is the same, but 24". I have a mil issue/spec Colt M-4 with a floated bbl, 3lb Velocity trigger, and a few other nicety mods, which is a fighting rifle---but I also have a White Oak Armament 18" fluted 1/8, heavy bbl SPR upper that sits atop that lower which shoots sub-moa with most 55-77 gr bullets. I have a LWRC M6A3 DMR piston gun in 6.8SPC, 18" heavy contour BBL which is also a great rifle, not match accurate, but consistent, and clean shooting. I shoot factory ammo out of that gun because I bought a ton of it on sale (115gr Hornady SST) and it groups it very good. When the 1000rnds of that is gone, I'll reload in the same config as close as I can match the factory load.

Bottom line, starting with a single AR-15 and AR-10 platform gives you a lot of possibilities to build from, DI or piston, both are good options. :lockedandloaded:
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby nts007 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:21 pm

Ar's are Lego for grown ups. (I still play Lego with the kids. Or without...)
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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby DamageWagon » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:47 pm

nts do they let you own guns in Canukistan? If so is it for fighting off the Sasquatch caribou?


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Re: savage lrp 6.5 creedmor

Postby nts007 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:15 pm

For the short 2 legged brown bears yea lol. Our system isn't as easy as yours as they classify black rifles as restricted as well as handguns are restricted. Only allowed to use them at a range and take me home. Long rifles are not restricted and are pretty much fair game. Nice thing though we don't need special liscense ore a tax stamp to have sbr's as they fall under the restricted category. Semi auto round limits are 5 so you can have a 30rounder pmag permanently pinned to 5 rounds. You can have a drum mag too. Pinned to 5 rounds. The exception is pistol mags which are allowed 10 rounds max. No suppressor are allowed. Which is sad. The east half of the country hates us in the west and have tried to nearly disarm the public. Really they are just scared of the west because we have guns and they don't lol. Defending your home with a pistol is more illegal than raping someone. Go figure. It's a really screwed up system but we work with it. It's gotten better in the last decade. It had gotten pretty bad but most gun owners rode it out. Hell they just made millions of gun owners criminals by passing a law banning the 10/22 high cap mags because ruger made a pistol that they fit in. Of course people surrendering those mags is more myth at this point. It's a stupid system.
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