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Some highlights from the video;
1. Very cool winch stuff, Xenon, with synthetic and a modern hook, easier remote hook up, and a place to wrap line and hook for storage.
2. Over 50:1 crawl with new Transmission, 50% improvement
3. LED lights
4. 7MM lift on front which should help with 35s rubbing and adds 21 points to RTI score!
5. Some sort of revisions to MDS, will be used more now
6. Nice 3601 Cameras with wheel direction indicator and camera showing what is right in front.
7. The bad ASS new interior of course.
8. Dial and new switches for 4x4 items. Why is there an UNLOCK button now? That seams to signal a change to the locker engagement system.
9. Some towing and payload improvements.
1. Very cool winch stuff, Xenon, with synthetic and a modern hook, easier remote hook up, and a place to wrap line and hook for storage.
2. Over 50:1 crawl with new Transmission, 50% improvement
3. LED lights
4. 7MM lift on front which should help with 35s rubbing and adds 21 points to RTI score!
5. Some sort of revisions to MDS, will be used more now
6. Nice 3601 Cameras with wheel direction indicator and camera showing what is right in front.
7. The bad ASS new interior of course.
8. Dial and new switches for 4x4 items. Why is there an UNLOCK button now? That seams to signal a change to the locker engagement system.
9. Some towing and payload improvements.
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How are people interpreting a change from a three position knob (axle unlock, rear lock, fr/rear lock) to a three button panel (axle *unlock symbol*, rear, front & rear) as a change to how the lockers work? Aside from the 8-speed, I don't see any other changes to the suspension or drive train. Why are people assuming that a user interface change driven by the interior refresh will mean that the lockers will work differently than they have for the past 13 years?FordyceCreekTrail wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:30 pmWhy is there an UNLOCK button now? That seams to signal a change to the locker engagement system.
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Unlock is a separate button, as apposed to turning the dial back. It may not be different but there is a chance. Let me get them to ask Ram. Suspension was raised 7MM in front per Ram and goes from 521 to 538 RTI.
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Just a guess, but they may be just fitting the buttons into the form factor of a switch module for a different, higher volume model. I think trying to find a deeper meaning behind an exiled unlock button is just reading tea leaves.FordyceCreekTrail wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:41 pmUnlock is a separate button, as apposed to turning the dial back. It may not be different but there is a chance. Let me get them to ask Ram. Suspension was raised 7MM in front per Ram and goes from 521 to 538 RTI.
The front being raised 7mm (what source even mentioned that?) is minimal and I think that's likely attributable to weight loss after the front end cosmetic changes and lighter winch setup with no changes to the suspension.
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Andre says he will ask the engineers when they meet in 6-7 weeks for a media test drive session of some sort. So stay tuned.
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7mm (1/4”) is not even touching the amount of variance your truck sees based on how you park it. Yeah that’s a tiny change, you probably get that just from the hood going to aluminum and winch cable going to synthetic.Low_Sky wrote:Just a guess, but they may be just fitting the buttons into the form factor of a switch module for a different, higher volume model. I think trying to find a deeper meaning behind an exiled unlock button is just reading tea leaves.FordyceCreekTrail wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:41 pmUnlock is a separate button, as apposed to turning the dial back. It may not be different but there is a chance. Let me get them to ask Ram. Suspension was raised 7MM in front per Ram and goes from 521 to 538 RTI.
The front being raised 7mm (what source even mentioned that?) is minimal and I think that's likely attributable to weight loss after the front end cosmetic changes and lighter winch setup with no changes to the suspension.
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It's less than the total lean of the factory alignment.DamageWagon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:52 pm7mm (1/4”) is not even touching the amount of variance your truck sees based on how you park it. Yeah that’s a tiny change, you probably get that just from the hood going to aluminum and winch cable going to synthetic.Low_Sky wrote:Just a guess, but they may be just fitting the buttons into the form factor of a switch module for a different, higher volume model. I think trying to find a deeper meaning behind an exiled unlock button is just reading tea leaves.FordyceCreekTrail wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:41 pmUnlock is a separate button, as apposed to turning the dial back. It may not be different but there is a chance. Let me get them to ask Ram. Suspension was raised 7MM in front per Ram and goes from 521 to 538 RTI.
The front being raised 7mm (what source even mentioned that?) is minimal and I think that's likely attributable to weight loss after the front end cosmetic changes and lighter winch setup with no changes to the suspension.
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From a locker bypass perspective, I suspect it's going to require a completely different control box. On all the trucks from 05-18 the final drive control module sends a 5V reference signal to the dash knob. Depending on the position of the knob, resistance in the knob changes the voltage that returns to the module and is used to interpret what the driver wants. 5V = Unlock, 1.9V = Rear Lock, 2.7V = Front & Rear Lock. I'm pretty sure the new system will still work the same way, but instead of having a constant signal from a knob to the FDCM, now it's going to be a momentary pulse (unless the buttons are latching buttons). This will require the locker bypass to incorporate latching relays or possibly a completely solid state system.Low_Sky wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:04 pmHow are people interpreting a change from a three position knob (axle unlock, rear lock, fr/rear lock) to a three button panel (axle *unlock symbol*, rear, front & rear) as a change to how the lockers work? Aside from the 8-speed, I don't see any other changes to the suspension or drive train. Why are people assuming that a user interface change driven by the interior refresh will mean that the lockers will work differently than they have for the past 13 years?FordyceCreekTrail wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:30 pmWhy is there an UNLOCK button now? That seams to signal a change to the locker engagement system.
Time will tell, but for now all I can tell someone that buys a new truck is, "No locker bypass for you!" (spoken with a "Soup Nazi" accent).
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I’m a locker bypass non-believer, so *shrug emoji*.Retired BLM Rig wrote:From a locker bypass perspective, I suspect it's going to require a completely different control box. On all the trucks from 05-18 the final drive control module sends a 5V reference signal to the dash knob. Depending on the position of the knob, resistance in the knob changes the voltage that returns to the module and is used to interpret what the driver wants. 5V = Unlock, 1.9V = Rear Lock, 2.7V = Front & Rear Lock. I'm pretty sure the new system will still work the same way, but instead of having a constant signal from a knob to the FDCM, now it's going to be a momentary pulse (unless the buttons are latching buttons). This will require the locker bypass to incorporate latching relays or possibly a completely solid state system.Low_Sky wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:04 pmHow are people interpreting a change from a three position knob (axle unlock, rear lock, fr/rear lock) to a three button panel (axle *unlock symbol*, rear, front & rear) as a change to how the lockers work? Aside from the 8-speed, I don't see any other changes to the suspension or drive train. Why are people assuming that a user interface change driven by the interior refresh will mean that the lockers will work differently than they have for the past 13 years?FordyceCreekTrail wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:30 pmWhy is there an UNLOCK button now? That seams to signal a change to the locker engagement system.
Time will tell, but for now all I can tell someone that buys a new truck is, "No locker bypass for you!" (spoken with a "Soup Nazi" accent).
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Do you guys think the "front lift" (just over 1/4") is anything more than the suspension reacting to the reduced front end weight? 7mm=0.28 inch
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I was thinking the same thing. With the alleged zeon winch, synthetic cable and additional use of high strength steel in the frame.
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The my synthetic winch rope weighs 26lb less than the OE wire rope. I reengineered my suspension a 1/4". All the RTI's belong to me!
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On the Amazon internet stuff buying store, there is a ~50 lbs weight difference between a Zeon 12-S and an M12000.
They made the front end lighter. They didn’t do a darn thing to the suspension.
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Not a fan of the dial shifter especially when off road. I had one in a 2015 1500 and it was the one thing that really bugged me about the truck. It felt like the way the shifter should look on a small eastern European car. I like the 8 speed transmission, winch, and frame. Other than that I am not that impressed. I am not a fan of the new looks compared to last year. I would like to see them make a bigger change in looks if they are going to do it. As far as having a giant screen in my cab, I will pass. The camera view stuff is nice, but I am getting tired of all the tech things we are told we "need." It will be interesting to see how the new rigs perform where it counts....on the dirt.
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I'd take the Rotary shifter for the 8-Speed transmission anyday now, column shifter fits a larger truck nicely but newer transmissions will have 'fake' electronic shifters no matter if colum or console. I think drivetrain comfort and fuel efficiency should improve very significantly from the 8-Speed, the lower crawl ratio indicates the better gear spread.
M12000->Zeon12 is imo mainly for cost improvement/weight reduction, not sure if it's a real improvement for the typical buyer
https://warnindustries.wordpress.com/20 ... omparison/
Same size shitty tires for the EPA...despite about half the owners changing out the tires in the first year.
360 cam and large screen are nice but kinda expected.
M12000->Zeon12 is imo mainly for cost improvement/weight reduction, not sure if it's a real improvement for the typical buyer
https://warnindustries.wordpress.com/20 ... omparison/
Same size shitty tires for the EPA...despite about half the owners changing out the tires in the first year.
360 cam and large screen are nice but kinda expected.
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It is reading tea leaves. This is the same setup in the Rubicon. Just that ours says unlock vs off.Low_Sky wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:57 pmJust a guess, but they may be just fitting the buttons into the form factor of a switch module for a different, higher volume model. I think trying to find a deeper meaning behind an exiled unlock button is just reading tea leaves.FordyceCreekTrail wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:41 pmUnlock is a separate button, as apposed to turning the dial back. It may not be different but there is a chance. Let me get them to ask Ram. Suspension was raised 7MM in front per Ram and goes from 521 to 538 RTI.
The front being raised 7mm (what source even mentioned that?) is minimal and I think that's likely attributable to weight loss after the front end cosmetic changes and lighter winch setup with no changes to the suspension.
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Same. Maybe if the 2022 expected total refresh is more of the same. But new truck prices for that. Pass.Low_Sky wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:15 pmThis design refresh appeals to me most as a future used truck buy. If/when the 2015 is too clapped out, there should be plenty of these used (whatever-gen, 4.75?) trucks on the market, most of them being babied street queens. The underpinnings being largely the same, all the armor and suspension upgrades on my 2015 would swap over to a truck that is four (or five or six) years newer with a better transmission and nicer interior.
But a 2020 in 2022 used with around 20k and now depreciated, maybe. Three years from now. Time will tell.
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I will be in the market for a new one in 2025-2027 so....I expect a few more changes
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“Driving impressions are embargoed”. FCA trying to keep the new 8 speed from undercutting 2018 sales?
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That's the range of years that I expect to replace my original DuratracsFordyceCreekTrail wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:02 pmI will be in the market for a new one in 2025-2027 so....I expect a few more changes
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Yeah where’s the 0-60???Low_Sky wrote:“Driving impressions are embargoed”. FCA trying to keep the new 8 speed from undercutting 2018 sales?
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I added my opinion to that video.
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So they're calling it a 2019 in the video, but it's not even available yet. So is it a late 19 or an early 20?
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They must have a bunch of leftovers, and are trying to move them.Retired BLM Rig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:10 pmSo they're calling it a 2019 in the video, but it's not even available yet. So is it a late 19 or an early 20?
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