2020 Power Wagon - Spied
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Whoa what? Same ratios?
65RFE:
1st = 3.000
2nd = 1.667
2nd prime = 1.500
3rd = 1.000
4th = 0.750
5th = 0.667
Reverse = -3.000
66RFE:
1st = 3.231
2nd = 1.837
3rd = 1.410
4th = 1.000
5th = 0.816
6th = 0.625
Reverse = -4.444
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65RFE:
1st = 3.000
2nd = 1.667
2nd prime = 1.500
3rd = 1.000
4th = 0.750
5th = 0.667
Reverse = -3.000
66RFE:
1st = 3.231
2nd = 1.837
3rd = 1.410
4th = 1.000
5th = 0.816
6th = 0.625
Reverse = -4.444
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It's not necessarily a bad thing but the 66RFE is a stronger transmission. It shares the same torque converter with the 65RFE but has the same gears and clutches as the 68RFE. As much as I want lower transmission ratios I don't want a weaker transmission.
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Same shitty shocks.
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For day to day I don’t mind the stock shocks. Much better than other OE dampers I’ve had on other rigs and the Jeeps. That may not be saying much, however...
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They don’t last long if you beat on them. Work ok for Road Wagons.AlaskaTRX wrote:For day to day I don’t mind the stock shocks. Much better than other OE dampers I’ve had on other rigs and the Jeeps. That may not be saying much, however...
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They're garbage. Let's just admit it. They put better shocks on the Rebel now! At least give us something better than 4600's.
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i thought they said it was getting 8spd trans? either one of the media outlets posted horribly bad info or i read it wrong and it was a different model ram.Rodeoflyer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:00 pmWhoa what? Same ratios?
65RFE:
1st = 3.000
2nd = 1.667
2nd prime = 1.500
3rd = 1.000
4th = 0.750
5th = 0.667
Reverse = -3.000
66RFE:
1st = 3.231
2nd = 1.837
3rd = 1.410
4th = 1.000
5th = 0.816
6th = 0.625
Reverse = -4.444
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the more i think about it, the more it seems highly unlikely ill get rid of my 17 any time soon. i actually like the looks and it has enough features without going over board with 50 useless buttons in the dash
the new refresh model looks good imo but functionaly i dont see where it has a single advantage over the current truck. unless im missing something
the full refresh in a year or two will be interesting. im sure it will look great and be tempting but functionaly im doubting it will be any better than what we already have. the axles are already way stronger that whats needed. tcase seems overkill. trans sounds plenty strong ,although some people probly complain about ratios when towing. i cant see them going to a different better winch.
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If the stuff in these “spy photos” is what we think it is, I do see two functional upgrades that I like, but wouldn’t buy a new truck for. Front facing camera, and 360-camera (if that’s what in the side mirrors). I don’t care about the new styling or interior, and mechanically everything else seems the same.cb1987 wrote:i thought they said it was getting 8spd trans? either one of the media outlets posted horribly bad info or i read it wrong and it was a different model ram.Rodeoflyer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:00 pmWhoa what? Same ratios?
65RFE:
1st = 3.000
2nd = 1.667
2nd prime = 1.500
3rd = 1.000
4th = 0.750
5th = 0.667
Reverse = -3.000
66RFE:
1st = 3.231
2nd = 1.837
3rd = 1.410
4th = 1.000
5th = 0.816
6th = 0.625
Reverse = -4.444
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the more i think about it, the more it seems highly unlikely ill get rid of my 17 any time soon. i actually like the looks and it has enough features without going over board with 50 useless buttons in the dash
the new refresh model looks good imo but functionaly i dont see where it has a single advantage over the current truck. unless im missing something
the full refresh in a year or two will be interesting. im sure it will look great and be tempting but functionaly im doubting it will be any better than what we already have. the axles are already way stronger that whats needed. tcase seems overkill. trans sounds plenty strong ,although some people probly complain about ratios when towing. i cant see them going to a different better winch.
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Then maybe it’s best they’re skipping the Ram HD for 2019
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Completely agree. Those are nice and cool but not "jump worthy". I already have a front camera in a closet to install.Low_Sky wrote:If the stuff in these “spy photos” is what we think it is, I do see two functional upgrades that I like, but wouldn’t buy a new truck for. Front facing camera, and 360-camera (if that’s what in the side mirrors). I don’t care about the new styling or interior, and mechanically everything else seems the same.cb1987 wrote:i thought they said it was getting 8spd trans? either one of the media outlets posted horribly bad info or i read it wrong and it was a different model ram.Rodeoflyer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:00 pmWhoa what? Same ratios?
65RFE:
1st = 3.000
2nd = 1.667
2nd prime = 1.500
3rd = 1.000
4th = 0.750
5th = 0.667
Reverse = -3.000
66RFE:
1st = 3.231
2nd = 1.837
3rd = 1.410
4th = 1.000
5th = 0.816
6th = 0.625
Reverse = -4.444
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the more i think about it, the more it seems highly unlikely ill get rid of my 17 any time soon. i actually like the looks and it has enough features without going over board with 50 useless buttons in the dash
the new refresh model looks good imo but functionaly i dont see where it has a single advantage over the current truck. unless im missing something
the full refresh in a year or two will be interesting. im sure it will look great and be tempting but functionaly im doubting it will be any better than what we already have. the axles are already way stronger that whats needed. tcase seems overkill. trans sounds plenty strong ,although some people probly complain about ratios when towing. i cant see them going to a different better winch.
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I think the confusion is that we all expected an all new truck in 2020, but it's now being confirmed that we aren't getting a whole new truck till 2022 and this is some sort of refresh.cb1987 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:24 pm
i thought they said it was getting 8spd trans? either one of the media outlets posted horribly bad info or i read it wrong and it was a different model ram.
the more i think about it, the more it seems highly unlikely ill get rid of my 17 any time soon. i actually like the looks and it has enough features without going over board with 50 useless buttons in the dash
the new refresh model looks good imo but functionaly i dont see where it has a single advantage over the current truck. unless im missing something
the full refresh in a year or two will be interesting. im sure it will look great and be tempting but functionaly im doubting it will be any better than what we already have. the axles are already way stronger that whats needed. tcase seems overkill. trans sounds plenty strong ,although some people probly complain about ratios when towing. i cant see them going to a different better winch.
With the whole 7.0 TRX coming it's likely the new motors and trans just aren't ready for 2020 production. That would be my best guess.
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Pretty much. The rfe line of transmissions have been slated to be gone about 4 different times now. They went so far as to uninstall most of the machinery but keep pushing it back. Now it's slated to go till 2021. We have been waiting for confirmation of building an 8spHD but it's never been confirmed. Now though we just finished production of the 5a580 and that plant is idle. It's my opinion that it will be built there. At least I hope.
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using TapatalkBoldAdventure wrote:I think the confusion is that we all expected an all new truck in 2020, but it's now being confirmed that we aren't getting a whole new truck till 2022 and this is some sort of refresh.cb1987 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:24 pm
i thought they said it was getting 8spd trans? either one of the media outlets posted horribly bad info or i read it wrong and it was a different model ram.
the more i think about it, the more it seems highly unlikely ill get rid of my 17 any time soon. i actually like the looks and it has enough features without going over board with 50 useless buttons in the dash
the new refresh model looks good imo but functionaly i dont see where it has a single advantage over the current truck. unless im missing something
the full refresh in a year or two will be interesting. im sure it will look great and be tempting but functionaly im doubting it will be any better than what we already have. the axles are already way stronger that whats needed. tcase seems overkill. trans sounds plenty strong ,although some people probly complain about ratios when towing. i cant see them going to a different better winch.
With the whole 7.0 TRX coming it's likely the new motors and trans just aren't ready for 2020 production. That would be my best guess.
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The TRX and the Rumored 7.0L are going to be interesting to watch. My biggest complaint on my 2012 is the total lack of a passing gear. When on a two lane highway approaching 65mph and wanting to pass a slower vehicle it would be nice to have more power. I know these trucks are basically a big brick on wheels, but shit these things are slow. Maybe the 6.4L and 4.10 gears are better, but I’ve never been impressed with the passing gear.
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My 2015 was feeling sluggish on 35s until I corrected the tire size with a ProCal. Thinking it was on 33s, the trans was down shifting too soon or too many gears, I think.04Ram2500Hemi wrote:The TRX and the Rumored 7.0L are going to be interesting to watch. My biggest complaint on my 2012 is the total lack of a passing gear. When on a two lane highway approaching 65mph and wanting to pass a slower vehicle it would be nice to have more power. I know these trucks are basically a big brick on wheels, but shit these things are slow. Maybe the 6.4L and 4.10 gears are better, but I’ve never been impressed with the passing gear.
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Yes, they are horrible without the computer adjustment, even just jumping to a tire a few inches taller.Low_Sky wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:04 amMy 2015 was feeling sluggish on 35s until I corrected the tire size with a ProCal. Thinking it was on 33s, the trans was down shifting too soon or too many gears, I think.04Ram2500Hemi wrote:The TRX and the Rumored 7.0L are going to be interesting to watch. My biggest complaint on my 2012 is the total lack of a passing gear. When on a two lane highway approaching 65mph and wanting to pass a slower vehicle it would be nice to have more power. I know these trucks are basically a big brick on wheels, but shit these things are slow. Maybe the 6.4L and 4.10 gears are better, but I’ve never been impressed with the passing gear.
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I’m only running a 285/75/17, so I don’t think it’s the tire. The factory 285/70 is roughly a 33x11.50 and I’m running a 34x11.50 ish tire. This pig has never had a good passing gear. I sometimes wonder if a programmer of some sort would help?olyelr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:31 amYes, they are horrible without the computer adjustment, even just jumping to a tire a few inches taller.Low_Sky wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:04 amMy 2015 was feeling sluggish on 35s until I corrected the tire size with a ProCal. Thinking it was on 33s, the trans was down shifting too soon or too many gears, I think.04Ram2500Hemi wrote:The TRX and the Rumored 7.0L are going to be interesting to watch. My biggest complaint on my 2012 is the total lack of a passing gear. When on a two lane highway approaching 65mph and wanting to pass a slower vehicle it would be nice to have more power. I know these trucks are basically a big brick on wheels, but shit these things are slow. Maybe the 6.4L and 4.10 gears are better, but I’ve never been impressed with the passing gear.
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The 5.7 is anemic and had no business being in a 2500.
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I want to build the top end of my 6.4 so bad! The 6.4 come with forged internals from the rods down.BoldAdventure wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:05 amThe 5.7 is anemic and had no business being in a 2500.
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I will say, I agree with comments about the 6.4 feeling gutless or lethargic. The 5.7 in my 1500 felt very sporty and responsive. And it only had 3.92 gears.
The 6.4 in the PW works. But it feels like Ram designed the engine around the idea that a construction worker or a landscaper was just going to pull a trailer around town and move stuff too and from the job site in an urban environment. It's not exciting. It works. It has enough power to move stuff. And I can pass people on an incline. It feels like a work truck. Boring.
The 5.7 feels more like horse where the 6.4 is a mule.
The 6.4 in the PW works. But it feels like Ram designed the engine around the idea that a construction worker or a landscaper was just going to pull a trailer around town and move stuff too and from the job site in an urban environment. It's not exciting. It works. It has enough power to move stuff. And I can pass people on an incline. It feels like a work truck. Boring.
The 5.7 feels more like horse where the 6.4 is a mule.
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I keep reading that pulling the fuse or installing the nanny bypass restores some power. I'll be interested to see how the truck does after mine is installed.BoldAdventure wrote:I will say, I agree with comments about the 6.4 feeling gutless or lethargic. The 5.7 in my 1500 felt very sporty and responsive. And it only had 3.92 gears.
The 6.4 in the PW works. But it feels like Ram designed the engine around the idea that a construction worker or a landscaper was just going to pull a trailer around town and move stuff too and from the job site in an urban environment. It's not exciting. It works. It has enough power to move stuff. And I can pass people on an incline. It feels like a work truck. Boring.
The 5.7 feels more like horse where the 6.4 is a mule.
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I invite anyone who thinks the 5.7 is slow to try and keep up with me lol
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I'm sure the 5.13's and that stage 2 545rfe/3k stall makes a huge difference. I'd like to find a stock dyno chart from the 6.4l truck motor, compare that with the stock 5.7l truck motor. I think weight plays a large part and the gears make a big difference but would like to see the difference in cams/powerband from the two. If you run out of steam at 5k, you run out steam and won't be passing that Honda making power out to 7k.
This is about all I can find. https://www.ramforum.com/threads/finall ... uns.87696/
The 6.4 responds well to bolt-ons especially exhaust and tune.
This is about all I can find. https://www.ramforum.com/threads/finall ... uns.87696/
The 6.4 responds well to bolt-ons especially exhaust and tune.
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Think a lot of it has to do with tuning. Torque management programming plays a big part of it.
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I still want a 4:1 transfer case or a better crawl ratio. I can barely hold my truck anymore in 1st gear low. Pretty disappointing.
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