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Post by Easttnrhino » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:35 am

This may have been answered already, sorry if it has but having trouble finding answer. Will 100' of 1/2" synthetic rope fit our winch spools? Has anyone tried it. Thanks
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Post by Reloaderguy » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:21 pm

I have 100' of 7/16 and the drum is pretty full.
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Post by Idaho RC » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:26 pm

I believe it comes with 85' of 7/16 wire rope. I have installed 100' of 7/16 synthetic so I also can confirm it does fit. Sorry I have no idea how much 1/2 will fit.

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Post by BoldAdventure » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:52 pm

Probably only around 80, with it being as full as 100 of 7/16th.

If you really wanted to go with the stronger rope, could do that and get an extension.
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Post by Reloaderguy » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:29 pm

If I had to do it over again I'd buy a 60' winch line and a 60' extension. 1/2" is completely overkill, the breaking strength of synthetic rope is not the main failure mode, it is abrasion.
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Post by RPS1030 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:51 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:
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If I had to do it over again I'd buy a 60' winch line and a 60' extension. 1/2" is completely overkill, the breaking strength of synthetic rope is not the main failure mode, it is abrasion.
Agreed.

A positive if running about 75% of max capacity allows for uneven spooling. Such as an extended side pull, the rope can collect on one side of the drum without running into the winch cross bars.
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Post by DamageWagon » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:36 pm

You guys mind fuck winch lines like bro’s mind fuck wheelzzz

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Post by TwinStick » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:38 pm

Plus, you don't have to pull 80' off, to get a full power pull (the last wrap).
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Post by BoldAdventure » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:20 am

According to DamageWagon wire is superior in every form to rope.
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Particularly superior in ability to kill you.
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Re: Winch rope

Post by DamageWagon » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 am

MikeKey wrote:
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According to DamageWagon wire is superior in every form to rope.
Most ways. I have better ways of blowing money when it’s burning a hole in my pocket haha

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Post by BoldAdventure » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:45 am

DamageWagon wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 am
MikeKey wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:20 am
According to DamageWagon wire is superior in every form to rope.
Most ways. I have better ways of blowing money when it’s burning a hole in my pocket haha
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Post by Reloaderguy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:49 pm

DamageWagon wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 am
MikeKey wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:20 am
According to DamageWagon wire is superior in every form to rope.
Most ways. I have better ways of blowing money when it’s burning a hole in my pocket haha
I have a brand new wire rope in my garage if you want it. It's only a little rusty and the razor sharp wire frays don't look too bad.
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Re: Winch rope

Post by DamageWagon » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:55 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:49 pm
DamageWagon wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 am
MikeKey wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:20 am
According to DamageWagon wire is superior in every form to rope.
Most ways. I have better ways of blowing money when it’s burning a hole in my pocket haha
I have a brand new wire rope in my garage if you want it. It's only a little rusty and the razor sharp wire frays don't look too bad.
A little brake cleaner and a good rub against a rock should make it like new. I’ll leave it out in the sun to dry.

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Post by TwinStick » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:26 pm

:rofl:

I am still rockin' my wire rope too. I live in the rust belt, so......every single time i drive my truck in the winter, the synthetic rope would be covered in salt, sand & grit, GREATLY shortening it's lifespan. Wire rope don't care. Only 2 benefits to synthetic rope: weight savings & kinetic energy. 3-if you count the "cool factor". Both issues are usually overcome by most Power Wagon owners anyway, making them a non-issue.

A lift with diesel springs (to compensate for a heavy front bumper) cures the weight issue & most us us are pretty smart when using the winch, making the kinetic energy a non-issue. Most of us periodically inspect the truck for issues, why would you NOT inspect your winch line ?, especially knowing it can kill ? If it is frayed, it is like a flat tire with a large gaping hole in the sidewall---you would replace it, not reuse it.

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-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

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Post by BoldAdventure » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:30 pm

Every time I go to buy rope, I just think that I could be buying some other part I'll use more. 80ft of 7/16th plus a 50ft extension is like the price of something I need on Thurens website.
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Post by Reloaderguy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:39 pm

TwinStick wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:26 pm
:rofl:

I am still rockin' my wire rope too. I live in the rust belt, so......every single time i drive my truck in the winter, the synthetic rope would be covered in salt, sand & grit, GREATLY shortening it's lifespan. Wire rope don't care. Only 2 benefits to synthetic rope: weight savings & kinetic energy. 3-if you count the "cool factor". Both issues are usually overcome by most Power Wagon owners anyway, making them a non-issue.

A lift with diesel springs (to compensate for a heavy front bumper) cures the weight issue & most us us are pretty smart when using the winch, making the kinetic energy a non-issue. Most of us periodically inspect the truck for issues, why would you NOT inspect your winch line ?, especially knowing it can kill ? If it is frayed, it is like a flat tire with a large gaping hole in the sidewall---you would replace it, not reuse it.

:lol: Much a-do abouth nothing. Nothing to see here----keep it moving !!! :rofl:
The largest factors degrading UHMPE and other Aramids is UV radiation. Most commonly found materials used in synthetic winch ropes do not react to salt, this is why they are also used in marine applications. One of the nice features of the PW is the bumper shields the rope from sunlight.

The weight difference between a 85' of 7/16" wire rope and 100' of 7/16" synthetic rope is only about 25lbs. Certainly not enough to feel in the front end.

I switched out the wire rope because I hate the way metal ropes handle; they're heavy all on their own and they have a memory. Synthetic ropes pull out cleanly into a pile and don't try to wind around your leg. If you actually have to use the entire cable you have to drag it 50', 60', 70', whatever, while it fights you the entire way.
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Post by Colibri » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:57 pm

I have wire and synthetic with hawse fairleads for each. When the truck is pulling farm and ranch duty it’s wire rope all day long. Holds up much better. I switch out to synthetic if I’m taking a big wheeling trip but most of the time it’s steel.
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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:40 pm

Synthetic is awesome if someone sinks a truck also, you just float the line down to them.....Oh ya, back way to Moab disaster for my 3rd and last time.....
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Post by TwinStick » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:54 am

Reloaderguy wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:39 pm
TwinStick wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:26 pm
:rofl:

I am still rockin' my wire rope too. I live in the rust belt, so......every single time i drive my truck in the winter, the synthetic rope would be covered in salt, sand & grit, GREATLY shortening it's lifespan. Wire rope don't care. Only 2 benefits to synthetic rope: weight savings & kinetic energy. 3-if you count the "cool factor". Both issues are usually overcome by most Power Wagon owners anyway, making them a non-issue.

A lift with diesel springs (to compensate for a heavy front bumper) cures the weight issue & most us us are pretty smart when using the winch, making the kinetic energy a non-issue. Most of us periodically inspect the truck for issues, why would you NOT inspect your winch line ?, especially knowing it can kill ? If it is frayed, it is like a flat tire with a large gaping hole in the sidewall---you would replace it, not reuse it.

:lol: Much a-do abouth nothing. Nothing to see here----keep it moving !!! :rofl:
The largest factors degrading UHMPE and other Aramids is UV radiation. Most commonly found materials used in synthetic winch ropes do not react to salt, this is why they are also used in marine applications. One of the nice features of the PW is the bumper shields the rope from sunlight.

The weight difference between a 85' of 7/16" wire rope and 100' of 7/16" synthetic rope is only about 25lbs. Certainly not enough to feel in the front end.

I switched out the wire rope because I hate the way metal ropes handle; they're heavy all on their own and they have a memory. Synthetic ropes pull out cleanly into a pile and don't try to wind around your leg. If you actually have to use the entire cable you have to drag it 50', 60', 70', whatever, while it fights you the entire way.
Yeah, I know. But the amount of grit & sand that would end up in mine would probably do major rope damage with just 1 pull. Too high maint for me & my area. Many people in the past have used weight savings as a justifiable excuse to get it. What ever works for them & makes em/or the wife sleep well. LOL

3rd Gens spec'ed 90' of 7/16" wire rope. Are they giving less with the new Gens ?

I tell people "the winch is for MY truck, if i spool it out for you, your gonna pay by the foot, both out & in !" I have not run across a stuck vehicle yet that i couldn't pull out. It may happen some day though. I saw a GREAT one just the other day ! :rockon: It was a brand spanking new blue 4 door ZR2 with a young kid driving. He hit a stretch of snow covered road & was going too fast. He went left, right & then it came around, he went off the edge of road, into a 6' deep ditch at an angle & d-side was about 6" from a telephone pole ! :rockon: I was on my way to the Dr. but i wouldn't have touched that one. Too new of a vehicle & too close to the t-pole, would not want to be accused of damage that he did. Been there-done that. :angry:
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-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Winch rope

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TwinStick wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:54 am
Reloaderguy wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:39 pm
TwinStick wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:26 pm
:rofl:

I am still rockin' my wire rope too. I live in the rust belt, so......every single time i drive my truck in the winter, the synthetic rope would be covered in salt, sand & grit, GREATLY shortening it's lifespan. Wire rope don't care. Only 2 benefits to synthetic rope: weight savings & kinetic energy. 3-if you count the "cool factor". Both issues are usually overcome by most Power Wagon owners anyway, making them a non-issue.

A lift with diesel springs (to compensate for a heavy front bumper) cures the weight issue & most us us are pretty smart when using the winch, making the kinetic energy a non-issue. Most of us periodically inspect the truck for issues, why would you NOT inspect your winch line ?, especially knowing it can kill ? If it is frayed, it is like a flat tire with a large gaping hole in the sidewall---you would replace it, not reuse it.

:lol: Much a-do abouth nothing. Nothing to see here----keep it moving !!! :rofl:
The largest factors degrading UHMPE and other Aramids is UV radiation. Most commonly found materials used in synthetic winch ropes do not react to salt, this is why they are also used in marine applications. One of the nice features of the PW is the bumper shields the rope from sunlight.

The weight difference between a 85' of 7/16" wire rope and 100' of 7/16" synthetic rope is only about 25lbs. Certainly not enough to feel in the front end.

I switched out the wire rope because I hate the way metal ropes handle; they're heavy all on their own and they have a memory. Synthetic ropes pull out cleanly into a pile and don't try to wind around your leg. If you actually have to use the entire cable you have to drag it 50', 60', 70', whatever, while it fights you the entire way.
Yeah, I know. But the amount of grit & sand that would end up in mine would probably do major rope damage with just 1 pull. Too high maint for me & my area. Many people in the past have used weight savings as a justifiable excuse to get it. What ever works for them & makes em/or the wife sleep well. LOL

3rd Gens spec'ed 90' of 7/16" wire rope. Are they giving less with the new Gens ?

I tell people "the winch is for MY truck, if i spool it out for you, your gonna pay by the foot, both out & in !" I have not run across a stuck vehicle yet that i couldn't pull out. It may happen some day though. I saw a GREAT one just the other day ! :rockon: It was a brand spanking new blue 4 door ZR2 with a young kid driving. He hit a stretch of snow covered road & was going too fast. He went left, right & then it came around, he went off the edge of road, into a 6' deep ditch at an angle & d-side was about 6" from a telephone pole ! :rockon: I was on my way to the Dr. but i wouldn't have touched that one. Too new of a vehicle & too close to the t-pole, would not want to be accused of damage that he did. Been there-done that. :angry:
I drove past a lady trying to get out of a ditch the other day. Her car had been there for three days, so I knew she wasn’t in dire need to get out. The way her car was high centered, I knew there would be damage if I pulled her out. I wouldn’t touch that one with a 10 foot pole.

A couple times a year I look at synthetic line, but haven’t felt justified to pull the trigger on it yet. My motivations are cold-related. Handling wire rope and metal hardware in the cold is no fun. I dream of a setup based on synthetic lines and soft shackles.
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Re: Winch rope

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TwinStick wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:54 am
Reloaderguy wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:39 pm
TwinStick wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:26 pm
:rofl:

I am still rockin' my wire rope too. I live in the rust belt, so......every single time i drive my truck in the winter, the synthetic rope would be covered in salt, sand & grit, GREATLY shortening it's lifespan. Wire rope don't care. Only 2 benefits to synthetic rope: weight savings & kinetic energy. 3-if you count the "cool factor". Both issues are usually overcome by most Power Wagon owners anyway, making them a non-issue.

A lift with diesel springs (to compensate for a heavy front bumper) cures the weight issue & most us us are pretty smart when using the winch, making the kinetic energy a non-issue. Most of us periodically inspect the truck for issues, why would you NOT inspect your winch line ?, especially knowing it can kill ? If it is frayed, it is like a flat tire with a large gaping hole in the sidewall---you would replace it, not reuse it.

:lol: Much a-do abouth nothing. Nothing to see here----keep it moving !!! :rofl:
The largest factors degrading UHMPE and other Aramids is UV radiation. Most commonly found materials used in synthetic winch ropes do not react to salt, this is why they are also used in marine applications. One of the nice features of the PW is the bumper shields the rope from sunlight.

The weight difference between a 85' of 7/16" wire rope and 100' of 7/16" synthetic rope is only about 25lbs. Certainly not enough to feel in the front end.

I switched out the wire rope because I hate the way metal ropes handle; they're heavy all on their own and they have a memory. Synthetic ropes pull out cleanly into a pile and don't try to wind around your leg. If you actually have to use the entire cable you have to drag it 50', 60', 70', whatever, while it fights you the entire way.
Yeah, I know. But the amount of grit & sand that would end up in mine would probably do major rope damage with just 1 pull. Too high maint for me & my area. Many people in the past have used weight savings as a justifiable excuse to get it. What ever works for them & makes em/or the wife sleep well. LOL

3rd Gens spec'ed 90' of 7/16" wire rope. Are they giving less with the new Gens ?

I tell people "the winch is for MY truck, if i spool it out for you, your gonna pay by the foot, both out & in !" I have not run across a stuck vehicle yet that i couldn't pull out. It may happen some day though. I saw a GREAT one just the other day ! :rockon: It was a brand spanking new blue 4 door ZR2 with a young kid driving. He hit a stretch of snow covered road & was going too fast. He went left, right & then it came around, he went off the edge of road, into a 6' deep ditch at an angle & d-side was about 6" from a telephone pole ! :rockon: I was on my way to the Dr. but i wouldn't have touched that one. Too new of a vehicle & too close to the t-pole, would not want to be accused of damage that he did. Been there-done that. :angry:
Synthetic ropes are certainly less durable than steel, if you're rough handling your winch rope steel is probably a better fit. I don't use my winch very much so it's not a big deal. I like the way synthetic rope handles and it can be fixed if it gets cut. It's worth the trade off to me but it's not for everyone.

I'm pretty sure 3rd and 4th gen trucks have the same amount of cable so I could be wrong on the total length. Either way, I weighed the cable and it was only 25lb heavier than the synthetic rope. It's not heavy picking up the wire rope on its own, it's the handling and dragging when you feel the weight.
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Re: Winch rope

Post by BoldAdventure » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:28 am

Marcus always talks about dragging his rope over rocks and trees. I never get this argument. The winch isn't ground level, and when has anyone ever winched up a 90-degree angle over a sharp rock face? Could it happen? Sure. But let's be honest about the probability. And why is your winch line being dragged around a tree?

Honestly, the abrasion arguments seem overblown.

I almost feel like this is the fabled rear winch. Sounds amazeballs. How often are you going to actually use it?
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Post by DamageWagon » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:20 pm

MikeKey wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:28 am
Marcus always talks about dragging his rope over rocks and trees. I never get this argument. The winch isn't ground level, and when has anyone ever winched up a 90-degree angle over a sharp rock face? Could it happen? Sure. But let's be honest about the probability. And why is your winch line being dragged around a tree?

Honestly, the abrasion arguments seem overblown.

I almost feel like this is the fabled rear winch. Sounds amazeballs. How often are you going to actually use it?
Of the times I’ve used my winch, they’ve never been ideal. But yeah, spending money on a new ‘toy’ doesn’t make sense when it doesn’t give me anything. The perk I would get from synthetic is that it’s a little less likely to kill me if it snaps. That’s a big perk, but it’s the only one. I’m not going to spend a few hundred bucks in case, some day, when I just happen to be in 0-degree weather, and have to use my winch, it will be a little easier on my hands to move my cable. For how often I use it I’m willing to put up with some hassle.

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Re: Winch rope

Post by BoldAdventure » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:03 pm

That is a good argument for the "how often"

I have only used my winch 3 times now. In two years. And one time I should of been using a strap. So... I'm still not sure if it's a worth while investment.

That being said, when I helped Mike pull his rope up to the other Mike last year in Moab, I almost fell over because I put to much weight into it and was really surprised how lite it was. It was nice not being over exerted when going up a hill.
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