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Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:13 pm
by Reloaderguy
TankerZak wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:36 pm
Do you have any idea what it takes to get a tracked vehicle stuck?!?!? My god...
Yes...multiple 88's side by side. I think just about every tracked unit in the history of the Army has gotten multiple recovery vehicles stuck at the same time. Tracks are magnetized to POV's too.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:35 pm
by TankerZak
Yeah, it wasn't uncommon at all. For all kinds of reasons. I was once lined up stopped in a convoy in Korea and the frozen road under my right track just decided enough was enough and that it couldn't take it a second more. Bam! Slid into the ditch. That one wasn't even my fault... road just took a break... i got all kinds of shit for that and weren't even moving...

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:33 pm
by Low_Sky
TankerZak wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:17 am
I was thinking about mounting the jack. At first i was going to get the 48 and toss it in side ways with the max tracks and gas can between the bed divider and the tailgate with my hard tonneau holding it all down. The 60 won't fit there. I don't have the wheel wells in the bed because of the ram boxes. If i had wheel wells I'd mount just like that. I'm a little bit at a loss. I might just strap it down when its in the bed. I did see a solution where someone built a mounting system inside the ramboxes. I don't want to give up that much room.... so... tie downs in the bed? I don't know...
I don't have a hi-lift, but I believe if I did I would find the heavy-dutiest velcro straps I could find and just strap it to the tie-downs in the T-tracks on the occasions I needed to bring it with me. I don't off road that much, if I did more maybe I'd try to figure out something more permanent (I'd probably fab or adapt mounting hardware to fit into the T-track).

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:36 pm
by Low_Sky
And sliding on ice in a tank is a very uncomfortable feeling unless you know what you're going to stop against and it isn't something you'll get in trouble for.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:25 pm
by RustyPW
Tokyo Drifting. :lol:
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Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:12 pm
by TankerZak
Low_Sky wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:36 pm
And sliding on ice in a tank is a very uncomfortable feeling unless you know what you're going to stop against and it isn't something you'll get in trouble for.
I once did 360s in a tank as the gunner when driver lost control on an icy road in Hohenfels. We hit a forest... not a tree, a forrest... they had to clear logs to get us out...

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:13 pm
by TankerZak
Low_Sky wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:33 pm
TankerZak wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:17 am
I was thinking about mounting the jack. At first i was going to get the 48 and toss it in side ways with the max tracks and gas can between the bed divider and the tailgate with my hard tonneau holding it all down. The 60 won't fit there. I don't have the wheel wells in the bed because of the ram boxes. If i had wheel wells I'd mount just like that. I'm a little bit at a loss. I might just strap it down when its in the bed. I did see a solution where someone built a mounting system inside the ramboxes. I don't want to give up that much room.... so... tie downs in the bed? I don't know...
I don't have a hi-lift, but I believe if I did I would find the heavy-dutiest velcro straps I could find and just strap it to the tie-downs in the T-tracks on the occasions I needed to bring it with me. I don't off road that much, if I did more maybe I'd try to figure out something more permanent (I'd probably fab or adapt mounting hardware to fit into the T-track).
I think I'm going with those same thoughts. Gonna try and just use some tie down straps or something.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:34 am
by Chubbs
The price is too high on this, but I have been imagining something similar for RAMBOX trucks:

http://www.4xinnovations.com/2005-2018- ... _p_41.html

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:35 am
by TankerZak
Yeah, problem is we don't have the wheel humps. So if you do that the jack is just floating in the middle suspended instead of tucked up under the bed rail and over the wheel hump. Great idea but I don't think I'd like it hovering...

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:10 am
by Colibri
http://www.swagoffroad.com/Bottle-Jack- ... _p_66.html

A bottle jack with one of these is extremely useful offroad and much easier to store securely than a hilift. Stable and easy to use, and quite versatile. This has become my go to jacking solution. The one caveat is I don’t encounter muddy conditions hardly ever lol

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:04 pm
by Low_Sky
Chubbs wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:34 am
The price is too high on this, but I have been imagining something similar for RAMBOX trucks:

http://www.4xinnovations.com/2005-2018- ... _p_41.html
That's where I'd put mine if I had one (in a Rambox bed), but yeah, $70+ is absurd for some bent plate with holes in it.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:10 pm
by TankerZak
Colibri wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:10 am
http://www.swagoffroad.com/Bottle-Jack- ... _p_66.html

A bottle jack with one of these is extremely useful offroad and much easier to store securely than a hilift. Stable and easy to use, and quite versatile. This has become my go to jacking solution. The one caveat is I don’t encounter muddy conditions hardly ever lol
Yeah, i for sure carry a bottle jack that has locks and coverts it into a jackstand. This is for when a bottle jack doesn't work. Like winching yourself backwards, tipping out of ruts, etc.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:28 pm
by Colibri
Right on, sometimes nothing but a hilift will get the job done.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:47 pm
by TheDirtRoad
jack mount.jpg
Here is how I have mine mounted in the bed with Rambox.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:18 pm
by TankerZak
Chubbs wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:34 am
The price is too high on this, but I have been imagining something similar for RAMBOX trucks:

http://www.4xinnovations.com/2005-2018- ... _p_41.html
There are actually a few really nice solutions for the Toyota Tacoma and Tundra rails. Does anyone know if Ram bed rails and Toyota are the same dimensions? Will our cleatz fit in Toyot rails?

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:30 pm
by TJ02Gopher
What type of chains do you carry for recovery gear; size, rating, ect.?

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:38 pm
by Colibri
3/8” grade 80 for general use and for winching with the hilift is what I’ve always used. Working load limit lines up nicely that way with the jack

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:33 pm
by 13BlkPowerWagon
How many of you guys carry a snatch rope? I had a strap, it was alright, stretched about 15%. Never lasted though, and once they started to fray, they were trashed (safety concern, even though they might still work). I got a Bubba Rope about a year ago, and while it was expensive, it's insane how well it works, and it stretches almost 35%, smooth as silk. I have yet to find a vehicle I couldn't get unstuck.

A month ago, after the Snowvertime Buffalo Bills game, I see a Ford F250 with a plow on it facing the wrong way on the right side of a 4 lane road near the stadium with his ambers flashing... Pass him, and there's a State Trooper Explorer stuck in the snow bank. Ford is spinning 3 tires trying to pull him out on the ice/snow with a chain hooked between them. I stopped, asked if he needed help, and of course got the, "that Dodge can't pull it out if my Ford can't" response. Trooper says, "let him give it a shot, he's got a winch!"

Well, I didn't bother with the winch (knew it would drag me, not him)... Hooked the rope to my tow hook up front, and shackled it to the mount on the Explorer, backed up, never spun a tire, and he was out. Guy in the Ford couldn't believe it. He took off, and the trooper gave me his card as a thank you.

It's pulled out plenty of Jeeps, other FST's, and even a Mack dump truck stuck in some slick mud. Best kinetic recovery device I've yet to find!

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:03 pm
by Colibri
13BlkPowerWagon wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:33 pm
How many of you guys carry a snatch rope? I had a strap, it was alright, stretched about 15%. Never lasted though, and once they started to fray, they were trashed (safety concern, even though they might still work). I got a Bubba Rope about a year ago, and while it was expensive, it's insane how well it works, and it stretches almost 35%, smooth as silk. I have yet to find a vehicle I couldn't get unstuck.

A month ago, after the Snowvertime Buffalo Bills game, I see a Ford F250 with a plow on it facing the wrong way on the right side of a 4 lane road near the stadium with his ambers flashing... Pass him, and there's a State Trooper Explorer stuck in the snow bank. Ford is spinning 3 tires trying to pull him out on the ice/snow with a chain hooked between them. I stopped, asked if he needed help, and of course got the, "that Dodge can't pull it out if my Ford can't" response. Trooper says, "let him give it a shot, he's got a winch!"

Well, I didn't bother with the winch (knew it would drag me, not him)... Hooked the rope to my tow hook up front, and shackled it to the mount on the Explorer, backed up, never spun a tire, and he was out. Guy in the Ford couldn't believe it. He took off, and the trooper gave me his card as a thank you.

It's pulled out plenty of Jeeps, other FST's, and even a Mack dump truck stuck in some slick mud. Best kinetic recovery device I've yet to find!
Awesome story! I’m a huge fan of bubba rope as well, probably my most used piece of recovery equipment.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:55 pm
by Ducky's Dad
I carry a snatch and a couple tow straps and an extra 50 feet of winch cable, and 100 feet of kinetic climbing rope in case I have to tie myself to something. Ya just never know...

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:01 pm
by olyelr
Yes, kinetic recovery ropes are insanely valuable and work so well in many situations. Just make damn sure both connections are secured well... if not it can get very ugly :o (and the same goes for about any recovery, but snatch straps are even worse).

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:40 pm
by RustyPW
I carry a Bubba rope too. :rockon:

I seen a guy pull a front bumper off a old 1977 ferd f150 on time. :rofl: The f150 had a bush guard mounted on the front with tow hooks mounted to the bush guard. The f150 was buried up to the frame in mud. His front tires up against a buried pipe line. To get out. He has to get up and over the pipe line, and about 5 yards to solid ground. Or go out outwards that is about 100 yards of more mud. He didn't want to go backwards because it was unmanly. :doh: His buddy wrapped the jerk strap around the bush guard mounted tow hooks. The other end to his f250 tow hitch. He backed up as close as he could. Had about 20ft of slack. 4Hi and pedal to the metal. He took off. When the slack was gone. So was the front bumper and bush guard. So when the f250 stopped. So did the front bumper and bush guard. In his tail gate. :jawdrop: :rofl:

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:33 am
by 13BlkPowerWagon
Ahahaha. Gotta love it!!

I carry a soft shackle just so if something comes off, at least I don't have a 2lb cannnoball of a steel shackle coming at me. Usually I put a tree strap around something like a frame or hitch, then soft shackle that to the bubba rope, then hook the other end of the bubba rope to my pintle hitch (usually with a hard shackle captured in the hitch.

I did rip a tree strap once, pulling a dump truck out after it slipped off the road into a shallow ditch in the snow (roads were covered and packed, got 2-3' in 5-6 hours, plows couldn't keep up). Had the strap wrapped around the front axle through the front bumper, was pulling him fine until we had to turn, then the strap hit the bumper (stamped metal edge), cut like a hot knife through butter, and slung the soft shackle and rope into the back of my tailgate.

I have a small dent there now, but had I used the hard shackle, it probably would have gone right through the tailgate entirely.

Re: Recovery gear questions!

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:46 pm
by olyelr
Ha since we are into story time now...

That reminds me of something stupid I did recently :lol: We just got natural gas in our neck of the woods and now have the house hooked up to it. The L.P. tank is now gone, but the soft copper line is still in place (roughly 35 feet of it buried from the house to the tank location). My thought was to simply hook on to the line where the tank was and pull it all right out of the ground with my big bad pickup. I used a tow strap (not much stretch, but some) hooked to the hitch, and then just wrapped the copper line around the other end several times. Put the old girl in gear until the strap tightened up and then gave her a little gas... bit of stretching started happening and the line wasn't coming out, so figured maybe this method wasn't going to work (I figured it would just simply slide out of the ground). Just as I was about to abort... I hear a Waaaaaaaapppp! Go out back and check things out... what happened was the copper tube just stretched enough until it ripped in two (the part wrapped around the strap held just fine). Of course, the strap end and small piece of copper slapped the tailgate and barely, if at all, made a slight mark. Made out a lot better than I could have i guess :doh: