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E85??

Post by JFordBronco » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:19 am

As I'm working my way north on a trip, I am seeing more and more gas stations offering e85. My owners manual says no, but geez, the price difference is nice!! Anyone ever use it?

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Re: E85??

Post by olyelr » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:32 am

If it is not advertised for use in our trucks, I certainly would not use it.

Also, my father-in-law once used that stuff in his gmc, and he stated the much cheaper cost of it was long outweighed by the very poor fuel economy that comes with using it.
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Re: E85??

Post by RPS1030 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:48 am

As stated, hell no in non-flex fuel vehicles.

Less energy per gallon in E85, drops economy down to being comparable $/Mile.
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Post by RustyPW » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:32 am

Don't use it unless you have a custom ECU tune for it. With a tune. You will get more power out of E85, but at the cost of fuel mileage. The turbo, and supercharged guys use it as cheap race fuel. A twin turbo engine can easily pick up 100hp with a switch from 93 oct to E85 with a tune, bigger injectors, and fuel pump.
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Re: E85??

Post by Chubbs » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:02 am

I had a rental car a few years ago that was flex fuel. E85 was really cheap where I was at. I gave it a shot, and you could watch the gas gauge needle drop at an alarming rate as you drove down the road.
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Re: E85??

Post by waldo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:20 am

The truck probably doesn't have the wide band fuel/air sensors and fuel map in the PCM to run 85% ethanol. So, it's probably a real bad idea.
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Re: E85??

Post by Bigdodge » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:04 am

It's also hard on the plastic and rubber components.

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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:31 am

Bad for the environment, bad for gas mileage, bad for your engine, no energy....bad stuff.
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Re: E85??

Post by jpbrazill » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:15 pm

Ive been running E85 in the race car for years. Its wonderful. As long as you get it from a good station, it is not ill-tempered. It keeps carbon build up to vertually zero around the heads of valves, piston rings, piston tops, combustion chamber, etc.

However, our fuel systems and maps were not made for E85. E85 takes ~23% more fuel to have a stioch ratio: 8.8:1 vs 14.7:1. So yes you see a mileage drop. But you can advance the shit out of the timing and/or boost (for forced induction applications).

As far as emitions go, I fast passed mine with the race car sans cat. So not really sure who thinks its bad for the environment...
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Post by RustyPW » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:24 pm

jpbrazill wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:15 pm
Ive been running E85 in the race car for years. Its wonderful. As long as you get it from a good station, it is not ill-tempered. It keeps carbon build up to vertually zero around the heads of valves, piston rings, piston tops, combustion chamber, etc.

However, our fuel systems and maps were not made for E85. E85 takes ~23% more fuel to have a stioch ratio: 8.8:1 vs 14.7:1. So yes you see a mileage drop. But you can advance the shit out of the timing and/or boost (for forced induction applications).

As far as emitions go, I fast passed mine with the race car sans cat. So not really sure who thinks its bad for the environment...
I know alot of boosted guys running corn. ;)
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Re: E85??

Post by jpbrazill » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:34 pm

RustyPW wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:24 pm
jpbrazill wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:15 pm
Ive been running E85 in the race car for years. Its wonderful. As long as you get it from a good station, it is not ill-tempered. It keeps carbon build up to vertually zero around the heads of valves, piston rings, piston tops, combustion chamber, etc.

However, our fuel systems and maps were not made for E85. E85 takes ~23% more fuel to have a stioch ratio: 8.8:1 vs 14.7:1. So yes you see a mileage drop. But you can advance the shit out of the timing and/or boost (for forced induction applications).

As far as emitions go, I fast passed mine with the race car sans cat. So not really sure who thinks its bad for the environment...
I know alot of boosted guys running corn. ;)
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Re: E85??

Post by JFordBronco » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:02 pm

I didn't buy any, I just wanted the professionals thoughts on it!
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