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Idle Up Feature for winching

Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:42 pm

Yeh, I know I ordered twin Alternators, but at idle you still get limited juice. Chatting with my mechanic today over my next old truck break down waiting on the PW. (key security thingy I guess) And he mentioned how common idle control is on HD trucks. Truly had no idea....Anyways no one uses winches but us and tow trucks, and a few of the Diesel guys use idle for warm up. From what I can tell this feature was only on Chassis cabs....then you got if it was flashed in by stealer.....Now it appears it may be standard issue 2500 and up but still pay to play on 1500? Am I correct? Gen 4 guys anyways do you set your idle up with the cruise control for winching and was it all good to go or did the stealer have to enable it? If so I will ask these guys to flash it in for free due to the ridiculous delays. All these modern hidden features are crazy!
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ADJUSTABLE IDLE SPEED INSTRUCTIONS
2/12/15
This feature is available on all 2500, 3500 4500 and 5500 trucks with 6.4L Gas and 6.7L
diesel engines equipped with automatic transmissions. It is also available on 4500 and
5500 trucks with the 6.7L diesel engine and manual transmission if the vehicle is
equipped with PTO prep. (Sales Code LBN or LBV) It has been developed to aid in cabin
heating / cooling or enhance stationary PTO capability by elevating the idle speed upon
operator command through the steering wheel mounted cruise switches.
Vehicle Required Hardware/Software
If the vehicle is equipped with an automatic transmission:

Original equipment cruise switches
If the vehicle is equipped with a manual transmission

Original equipment cruise switches

Clutch up-stop switch wired to the PCM (Standard with PTO Prep)

PTO Prep Equipped (Sales Codes LBN or LBV)
Operation:
Pre-engagement vehicle requirements:
1.
The vehicle must be in Park (automatic transmission).
2.
Vehicle speed must be less than 2 mph (manual transmission).
3.
Brake pedal must not be depressed.
4.
Clutch pedal is not depressed (manual transmission)
5.
Parking brake must be (manual transmission)
6.
No active speed or engine faults present (Check Engine lamp on)
To engage, the operator first presses the

Cruise On

cruise control switch. The Cruise
light will come on in the cluster. Then press and release the

Set

switch (just like you
would do when operating the cruise control feature). This will activate the feature and
set the engine idle speed to 1100 rpm

s.
At this point the operator may choose to

ramp

up or down the idle speed. To ramp
up, press and hold the RES / ACCEL (right hand side) cruise switch. Maximum idle speed
(while feature is active) is 1500 rpm

s. At any point while the idle speed is ramping up
the operator may release the RES / ACCEL switch and the idle speed will stabilize at the
value shown on the tachometer.
ADJUSTABLE IDLE SPEED INSTRUCTIONS
2/12/15
To ramp down the procedure is the same as when ramping up except, that the operator
will press and hold the COAST cruise switch. Minimum idle speed (while feature is
active) is 1100 rpm

s.
When the Idle Up feature is engaged it can be disabled (turned off) by several ways:
1.
The cruise cancel switch can be pressed.
2.
Cruise off switch can be pressed.
3.
Vehicle brake pedal can be depressed.
4.
Move the PRNDL (gear select lever) from Park (automatic vehicle only)
5.
Vehicle speed greater than 2 mph (manual vehicle only)
6.
Clutch pedal is depressed (manual vehicle only)
When this feature is disabled from any method then the idle speed will revert back to
the standard vehicle idle speed. The cruise lamp will stay on until the cruise off switch is
pressed even though the Idle Up feature has been disabled.
The Idle Up feature is the lowest priority between it and PTO operation. If at any time
during active Idle up the PTO on/off switch is activated the control will be given over to
the PTO feature. For example, if the idle up is active and the idle speed has been set to
1400 rpm

s and then the PTO on/off switch is activated the idle speed will return to 900
rpm

s (Stationary PTO mode). If all conditions are met to engage the PTO, the idle up
feature can then be used to ramp up the idle speed again to the desired level. If any of
the disable conditions are met, the PTO switch must be cycled off then back on before
the Idle Up can be used again
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Re: Idle Up Feature for winching

Post by RustyPW » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:59 pm

My '09 motorhome with a 6.7 Cumins has this. It's simple to use. Start engine, engage cruise. hold foot on pedal at the rpm you want, hit the speed hold on the cruise. And you're set. To disengage. Hit brake pedal.

Glad to see this on the trucks now. :rockon:
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Re: Idle Up Feature for winching

Post by nts007 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:42 pm

I've used the auto idle and idle up for years. Had it since 08. Cruise on hit set. Idles up. Want higher hold accel. Want lower hit decel. Thought this was common knowledge....
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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:41 pm

New to a NOOB with out a truck like me :secret:
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Post by Retired BLM Rig » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:45 am

This has been a Cummins feature for years, but not the Hemi. They advertised this as a feature on the Sterling Bullet with the Hemi and PTO package.
This company sells a high idle controller for 2007 to current hemi applications.

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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:25 am

I wonder if the dealer can flash it in then? Because it shows all 6.4 gas engines have this feature available. It may just be enabled on the Chassis cabs. But computer is the same.....
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Post by Easttnrhino » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:25 am

This sounds like a great feature, I have 2017 please let me know if its a dealer reflash or already there I have already tried the above and that did not work. Thanks
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Post by TwinStick » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:07 am

Retired BLM Rig wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:45 am
This has been a Cummins feature for years, but not the Hemi. They advertised this as a feature on the Sterling Bullet with the Hemi and PTO package.
This company sells a high idle controller for 2007 to current hemi applications.

Anyone know how much this product is $$$ ? It's Saturday, no answer on the phone #.

And then there is the economy versions: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000P9CP5O/re ... B0002SRF5S
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Post by nts007 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:28 pm

Retired BLM Rig wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:45 am
This has been a Cummins feature for years, but not the Hemi. They advertised this as a feature on the Sterling Bullet with the Hemi and PTO package.
This company sells a high idle controller for 2007 to current hemi applications.
Yes since the 2007.5 model. But it was a dealer activatable flash in 2008. I had it done to my 06.
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Alright, will tell them its a freebie for waiting at least 2x as long as a normal order.
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Post by olyelr » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:32 am

FordyceCreekTrail wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:06 pm
Alright, will tell them its a freebie for waiting at least 2x as long as a normal order.


I thought two months was normal wait time for an order?
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Re: Idle Up Feature for winching

Post by Retired BLM Rig » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:42 am

Found this PDF on RamTrucks.com. The last line on the PDF has direct application to this thread and is sad if true.

"The idle up function is not available and cannot be added to any other than the vehicles listed above. It is not available on Pickup trucks." :cry:

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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:19 pm

I saw that one as well. So there are 2 different ones out there. But we know diesel guys have it so obviously pick ups do have it. I bet its in all but the 5.7 at least.....So what tech dude with Ram could we trust for a straight answer?
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Post by nts007 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:21 pm

I will see if I can get ahold of the guy that did my 06. Haven't talked to him in almost 10 years but you never know. I do know the used the starscan but they now are using a different system. Took him about an hour to figure out how to do it. We also disabled the drl and set the fogs to always on. I'll shoot him an email and see if I get a response
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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:23 pm

Awesome. My skid plates shipped also so I might be asking for that also....
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Re: Idle Up Feature for winching

Post by TankerZak » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:37 am

If this is a dealer flash I'd get it done too. Wish they could adjust TPM while at it.. i still need to go to the dealer and see if they can add dual alternators. It's the one upgrade i didn't get that i wanted. Honestly this truck shouldn't even be available without dual alternators with that winch...

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Re: Idle Up Feature for winching

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Biggest winch so far I have had is 10K. But lets be perfectly clear, never been a fan of Warn Winches. Back when I started winching in the late 80s early 90's you had Ramsey and Warn. And either would last 0-3 uses(0 was COMMON for Warn, even rescued a ranger with a new, un-used, dead Warn) then need to be thrown away, not worth even rebuilding. (yes Warn had an old winch that is famous to this day, but not built then) Those winches had staggering electric draws as well. For years I went to slow hydraulic winches. Then other companies started rolling out quality winches. I own a T-max for example.(other then crappy remote no issues) Years after Warn started rolling out an endless ocean of new models, finally leading to very reliable, durable and water proof ones. All be it at a premium cost.

Anyhow no vehicle can handle these larger winches with out some upgrade. But contrast the 12K T-max vs Warn, 370 vs 440 amps. So this Warn is hungry for Amps. With Duals it will only be a 60 amp difference with some throttle. That is not bad at all. I agree, even with a less hungry winch duals for the cost should be standard. And maybe checking that box gets you the idle up flash as well....Oh and you want to go 16.5Ti? Thats a 507 max amp draw :jawdrop: And you want to have some lights on at night while winching.... :P
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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:29 pm

Stealer service says they are game to play around with the computer when it comes in, will let you know how it goes. Going to beat them up for that, slider and skid install
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Post by DamageWagon » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:37 pm

I'm excited to hear what a dealership thinks of installing one of these Trans skids. Wonder if they'll read the directions?

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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:17 pm

DamageWagon wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:37 pm
I'm excited to hear what a dealership thinks of installing one of these Trans skids. Wonder if they'll read the directions?
Pfffft, real men don't read directions
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Post by olyelr » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:55 pm

Are you saying you are gonna try to get the dealer to install your sliders ans skid plate? :shock: Whats the fun in that?!
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Post by olyelr » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:58 pm

FordyceCreekTrail wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:17 pm

Pfffft, real men don't read directions
Ha. I always gander at them for a bit to determine how important they are. Sometimes not reading the directions can really fawk ya over.
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olyelr wrote:
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Are you saying you are gonna try to get the dealer to install your sliders ans skid plate? :shock: Whats the fun in that?!
I have very expensive Pedicures :lol: Its funny I don't do jack on my rigs at home. But stuck 3 days into the Sierra Nevada wilderness I will rebuild anything to get home :chug:
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Post by DamageWagon » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:17 pm

FordyceCreekTrail wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:17 pm
DamageWagon wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:37 pm
I'm excited to hear what a dealership thinks of installing one of these Trans skids. Wonder if they'll read the directions?
Pfffft, real men don't read directions
Let me know how long install takes without reading the directions :mrgreen: it's about 15-20 minutes if you use them. I think aearles said it was an hour and a half of failure before he finally read he directions hahaha

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Re: Idle Up Feature for winching

Post by TwinStick » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:34 pm

FordyceCreekTrail wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:41 am
Biggest winch so far I have had is 10K. But lets be perfectly clear, never been a fan of Warn Winches. Back when I started winching in the late 80s early 90's you had Ramsey and Warn. And either would last 0-3 uses(0 was COMMON for Warn, even rescued a ranger with a new, un-used, dead Warn) then need to be thrown away, not worth even rebuilding. (yes Warn had an old winch that is famous to this day, but not built then) Those winches had staggering electric draws as well. For years I went to slow hydraulic winches. Then other companies started rolling out quality winches. I own a T-max for example.(other then crappy remote no issues) Years after Warn started rolling out an endless ocean of new models, finally leading to very reliable, durable and water proof ones. All be it at a premium cost.

Anyhow no vehicle can handle these larger winches with out some upgrade. But contrast the 12K T-max vs Warn, 370 vs 440 amps. So this Warn is hungry for Amps. With Duals it will only be a 60 amp difference with some throttle. That is not bad at all. I agree, even with a less hungry winch duals for the cost should be standard. And maybe checking that box gets you the idle up flash as well....Oh and you want to go 16.5Ti? Thats a 507 max amp draw :jawdrop: And you want to have some lights on at night while winching.... :P
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G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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