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17 dual alternator install

Post by HeavyDuty » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:48 pm

So I ended up getting everything I wanted on my wagon except for dual alternators. Does anyone know what's involved with installing dual alternators?
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:10 pm

Are there any aftermarket kits? You could see what the parts cost from the Stealer, but I bet its a hell of lot more then the 395.00 upgrade cost. Obviously you need some brackets and a different belt, the real question is what you have to do with the wiring. I can check mine out when it gets here. But thats 6-7 weeks.
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by HeavyDuty » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:28 pm

I have done some looking and am not finding much. I was hoping another member had done or researched this. I'm hoping all it entails is a bracket, alternator, belt, and harness.
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Post by olyelr » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:53 am

HeavyDuty wrote:I have done some looking and am not finding much. I was hoping another member had done or researched this. I'm hoping all it entails is a bracket, alternator, belt, and harness.

Yea, thats pretty much it. I think you have to reflash computer too? Check reloaderguy's build page, I am pretty sure he has some info in there about it as he was looking into it as well. Wanna say it was around $750 worth of parts.
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by MikeKey » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:55 am

Reloaderguy wrote:For anyone interested, I've been working with Benny at All Mopar Parts to source the OE parts necessary to upgrade to factory dual alternators. The option is $400 when ordered from the factory. Based on the parts needed it looks like about a $700 upgrade aftermarket. This should be the same for all 2015-2017 Power Wagons as long as you have the factory 220A alternator option. Diesel guys have done this upgrade and said it is fairly simple and only requires a dealer to add the correct sales code (XF5 for gas trucks).

Here is a link with the parts breakdown: http://www.ramforum.com/f133/ram_2500_3 ... tor-80399/
azracer wrote:XF5 Alternator 56029643AB
Bolts for XF5 Alternator 6102172AA x3
Crankshaft Damper 4893285AA
Waterpump tube with XF5 option 4893371AC
Heater supply and return hoses 68252175AA
Harness is part of transmission wiring 68268429AD (For use with DK3 Shift on the fly t-case option)
Harness is part of transmission wiring 68268427AD (For use with DK1 Manual t-case option)
Belt for Aux Alternator 68232297AA
Alternator Bracket 4627648AC
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TwinStick » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:04 pm

Not too bad of a price, considering the cost of this one ( https://www.dcpowerinc.com/fit/Dodge~Ra ... 70-xp.html ) & it is 110 amps less than the 2 together.
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G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by Colibri » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:53 pm

TwinStick wrote:Not too bad of a price, considering the cost of this one ( https://www.dcpowerinc.com/fit/Dodge~Ra ... 70-xp.html ) & it is 110 amps less than the 2 together.

That's the one I've been running for a few years now, I've always been happy with it but I'd love if there was a dual alternator option for the 5.7's

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Post by TwinStick » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:00 pm

Yup, I'm running that one too. No complaints, but I too wish they had dual alt's on the 5.7.
2008 Red QC PW G56. No lift yet, stock size tires. It pulls a 2016 Starcraft AR One Extreme, 3500 lbs.
Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TankerZak » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:41 am

I'm in this same boat. I got everything except dual alternators. It's next thing on my list. Did we land on a resolution? I was going to just go ask the dealer if they could convert it. Not sure what they'll say but i like to go in with some information.

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TankerZak » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:45 pm

Dealer is calling me back tomorrow to see what they can figure out...

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by MikeKey » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:08 am

Dual battery setup and a high amp alternator is a bit cheaper and a faster install time. ;)
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by DamageWagon » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:09 pm

MikeKey wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:08 am
Dual battery setup and a high amp alternator is a bit cheaper and a faster install time. ;)
I'm with Mike. A good, serious duty alternator would beat dualsnin my mind. I would rather have a single good component than two okay components, particularly when it comes to batteries. Otherwise when one starts to go it commonly kills the other too. If you need more amps when winching just idle up with your foot. I would have loved more juice the last few times I was winching trees, but I'd never pay even the cost of a second battery to get it. Hundreds or thousands of dollars isn't worth ten minutes of my time when using a slower winch.

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:01 pm

I would go upgraded alternator if I was not getting duals on my new truck. Extra battery is really heavy, upgrading the alternator is easy, however expensive. My trail rig does great with a bigger alternator and one battery.

But if your ordering new....FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CHECK THAT 295.00 BOX!
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TankerZak » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:41 pm

I didn't order. Lucked across my exact truck, even color, without dual alternators. I did get a few things I didnt necessarily want, cargo camera, adjustable pedals, push button start. Not against any of those extras, just wasn't on my list and i don't find them necessary.

Dealer says the upgrade to dual alternators isn't possible... to much change in wiring. I actually don't believe the answer...

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:28 am

Sounds like a typical dealer. In other words they don't want to bother and don't have the talent to run some wires.
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TankerZak » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:25 am

That was my interpretation of it as well...

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Post by olyelr » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:32 am

Yes. All the parts can be purchased from mopar, installed, and get the computer reflashed and wallah.
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TankerZak » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:46 pm

olyelr wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:32 am
Yes. All the parts can be purchased from mopar, installed, and get the computer reflashed and wallah.
Anyone done it though?

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by KevinABQ » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:24 pm

Diesel guys have done it. The serpentine belt is a bitch on their trucks.
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by Reloaderguy » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:53 pm

A higher output aftermarket alternator is less expensive and will have less parasitic power draw on the accessory pulleys.
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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TankerZak » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:37 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:53 pm
A higher output aftermarket alternator is less expensive and will have less parasitic power draw on the accessory pulleys.
You happen to know the highest amperage aftermarket alternator? Can it get near 380A? Do you still have to flash the computer?

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TankerZak » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:34 am

Looks like you can go upnto 320Amp on a single alt. Kinda makes dual alts redundant (ha!). Anyone know the difference between Idle Amp and Max? I'm guessing Idle is at idle and Max is with the engine revving hard. I think i have the 180Amp OEM but i don't know if thats at idle or max...

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by MikeKey » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:39 am

$750.00 Pft.

If you know a good alternator & starter shop, they can usually rebuild/upgrade them to a higher output using a kit for half that cost. We had a place in Tampa that I used that rebuilt my 180 on our Trailblazer to a 260 unit. Cost me under $200

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Re: 17 dual alternator install

Post by TankerZak » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:20 pm

Hmmmm, not sure what i want to do on a truck under warranty...

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