2010 Rear Pinion Seal

[Will]

I have 165K miles and it has started marking it's territory. I went to the local parts houses this weekend and nobody has a pinion seal so I am ordering this morning. Is that all I need or do I need a new nut and a crush sleeve? I'm having a hard time finding any specs on torquing the pinion nut after changing the seal. I'd rather not have to take it to a mechanic if I can change it myself. Just wondering if I can change this is 30 minutes or will it be a full on reset the gears and everything?

[coder]

I have the specs for a 3 Gen PW not sure if yours will be the same, let me know if you want me to post it.

[Will]

Is it the same axle? I don't remember.

[coder]

They're are both AAM 10.5 axles there may be some differences but I doubt anything significant.

[coder]

Here are the removal/install instructions for a 3 Gen.

[cb1987]

30min no way in hell you have it done. and you better have a big ass breaker bar or a strong impact gun to get the nut loose. you can use a new nut but have a strong impact ready. other wise just put some marks and reuse the old nut with Loctite. you wont find a torq spec because there is no torq spec on that nut. its tightened until the specified rotating torq is reached. normally I don't have good luck with parts house brand seals but that's your call. this place is decent http://www.cmgearworks.com/small-parts- ... odge-2003/ .I made a thread how to do this procedure not long ago just go check it out. if you need the 8896 seal driver I have one ill sell $25 to your door if your in the lower 48, I don't have a spare handle for it however

[Will]

30min no way in hell you have it done.

Sounds like a challenge

[Pit Slave]

30 minutes is doable if you are prepped for the job.

Yeah, I smoked 'em, sometimes you just gotta #sendit

[cb1987]

if you plan to do the job half way correct youll never get it in 30min. take that to the bank. but it all depends how many corners you want to cut. if you smoke the r&p or any bearings your talking big bucks to fix it

[Reloaderguy]

You spent three hours on the job a still did it half way correct too.

[cb1987]

because i didnt pull the carrier out ? haha i figured you would say something that stupid. just like you asked several times if i measured how much torq to get the nut off. sounds like you never worked on a crush sleeve design and your comments show it

[Reloaderguy]

If you're not pulling the carrier then replacing the pinion seal should only take 30 minutes to an hour. The rest is just pseudo engineering.

[cb1987]

i see you came to your senses alittle bit and edited your comment to a hour. if he doesnt have a strong airgun he'll burn up 30min just dropping the driveline and try to get the nut undone with a breakerbar. and im not sure a 1/2" drive wouldnt break. i used 3/4" drive 21" long with a short cheater pipe and still it was anything but easy

[nts007]

It's an hour job. If it's been a problem for a while and getting worse you will need a speedy sleeve as well as the new seal. On the pinion shaft before you install the speedy sleeve fill and smooth out the grooves if any with a liquid metal repair. I used permatex liquid metal filler. Seal and sleeve and put back together. Make a mark before removal. Then upon install Tighten crush washer to finger tight. Then to the mark. Then 1/8 turn past. Never been a problem. For removing the nut a Milwaukee 1/2 impact or makita both work very well. It's not rocket science. Stop making it out to be. 95% of the pinion seal repairs done by full bore mechanics do not take the torque readings. They know by feel anyway. I've done an 05 3500 exactly like this at 219k km. And it's still no problem at 445k km. That's the 11.5 axle. Jeeps and Dana 60s and corporate 14 bolt axles. Repaired them all exactly like that one time and never had an issue after the fact.

Also keep in mind sometimes a small oil weep might look like a problem but it may not be losing any oil. Some even correct themselves once a new seal seats. A truck that sits for a few years could have a seal dry out a little and it will weep for a couple hundred km and then be done. But leave a wet spot that gets panties in a bunch.

[RustyPW]

If it takes you over a half hour. You're a turtle or you stopped for break.

[Reloaderguy]

i see you came to your senses alittle bit and edited your comment to a hour. if he doesnt have a strong airgun he'll burn up 30min just dropping the driveline and try to get the nut undone with a breakerbar. and im not sure a 1/2" drive wouldnt break. i used 3/4" drive 21" long with a short cheater pipe and still it was anything but easy

I wanted to account for the half of the population with below average IQ's. It's a half our job, maybe longer if you're kind of dumb.

3/4" drive...LOL!

[RustyPW]

How many here have worked flat rate?

[nts007]

One hour includes 4 quarterly trips to the fridge for beer. And one pee break. One lunch break and one 10 min browse on the powerwagon registry to see what's new

[Pit Slave]

I've done my front pinon seal in about 30 minutes. It helps if you have the correct tools and experience.

Yeah, I smoked 'em, sometimes you just gotta #sendit

[cb1987]

if the older 11.5 is anything like the newer one, 1/2" electric gun wont even budge that nut. bumch of armchair qaurter backs

[Will]

Well it's gonna take longer than 30 minutes because I didn't know about the sleeve seal and nobody around me has one. Dealer wants to sell the seal and the yoke for $290, I found a seal in Iowa for $10 and shipped overnight sooo...

Pinion Seal AAM 26064030
Pinion Sleeve Seal AAM 26060977

[Reloaderguy]

if the older 11.5 is anything like the newer one, 1/2" electric gun wont even budge that nut. bumch of armchair qaurter backs

The older Power Wagons have a 10.5.

[RustyPW]

if the older 11.5 is anything like the newer one, 1/2" electric gun wont even budge that nut. bumch of armchair qaurter backs

You never worked flat rate. You wanted to eat. You busted ass.

[Colibri]

if the older 11.5 is anything like the newer one, 1/2" electric gun wont even budge that nut. bumch of armchair qaurter backs

You never worked flat rate. You wanted to eat. You busted ass.

Amen. I spent ten years on flat rate, it's a retarded system that's one of the major root causes of people's distrust of automotive technicians.

[nts007]

if the older 11.5 is anything like the newer one, 1/2" electric gun wont even budge that nut. bumch of armchair qaurter backs

Completely un true. The Milwaukee 18v has no issue busting nuts. the 1/2" Milwaukee has 700ft/lbs torque fastening and 1100ft/lbs breakaway torque. The 3/4" has 750ft/lbs tightening power and 1200ft/lbs breakaway torque. These arnt your grandpas "electric" impact guns. You really need to stop. We know what a great job you did with your breakdown and rebuild on your brand new axle. But many of us have experience on high mileage rusted stuck parts. Don't discount reasonable advise because you chose to do things a certain way. This forum is about helping each other and trading insults. Not telling everyone they are wrong because you don't agree. lots of guys here been busting knuckles on their wagons before you even test drove one