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Kinzer Offroad Bumper
Okay this has gone far enough. I want to offer some facts to clarify Mike’s appraisal of the bumper and leave it at that. Mike is highly opinionated, and very active on social media so he will retort this ten-fold. but that’s just fine. I have regretted doing business with Mike since the beginning-so the feeling is absolutely mutual.
Fact: As recent as 2 weeks ago, in an email, I asked Mike how he was liking the bumper and he replied “Dude, bumper always gets looks and stares. I love it.”
Fact: Everyone except Mike has given positive feedback about their purchase.
Fact: Mike used the heck out of his bumper in Moab and didn’t have a single failure. None of his welds have failed. Which is what he seems so concerned about.
Fact: I have used the heck out of this bumper since 2014-welded only on the front side- and never had a single failure of a weld or otherwise.
Fact: Mike’s bumper was the first one made, since then the welder has been changed. Improvement is a continual process and recent bumpers were welded at line angles on the backside.
Fact: This bumper is sufficiently strong. Any bumper eventually fails under hard use/abuse/impact. It would be foolish to think otherwise, or seek to design to accomplish this.
Fact: I decided to make these because I enjoyed it, I would be doing it for my own truck, and thought it would help some other power Wagon owners out who were frustrated with the lack of options –like I was. Mike is ruining the enjoyment part, but I am glad others are enjoying their bumper. I certainly am.
Fact: As recent as 2 weeks ago, in an email, I asked Mike how he was liking the bumper and he replied “Dude, bumper always gets looks and stares. I love it.”
Fact: Everyone except Mike has given positive feedback about their purchase.
Fact: Mike used the heck out of his bumper in Moab and didn’t have a single failure. None of his welds have failed. Which is what he seems so concerned about.
Fact: I have used the heck out of this bumper since 2014-welded only on the front side- and never had a single failure of a weld or otherwise.
Fact: Mike’s bumper was the first one made, since then the welder has been changed. Improvement is a continual process and recent bumpers were welded at line angles on the backside.
Fact: This bumper is sufficiently strong. Any bumper eventually fails under hard use/abuse/impact. It would be foolish to think otherwise, or seek to design to accomplish this.
Fact: I decided to make these because I enjoyed it, I would be doing it for my own truck, and thought it would help some other power Wagon owners out who were frustrated with the lack of options –like I was. Mike is ruining the enjoyment part, but I am glad others are enjoying their bumper. I certainly am.
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Re: Kinzer Offroad Bumper
and now we wait.........
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Re: Kinzer Offroad Bumper
My review stands. I am not responding to this. Nothing to wait for.
http://forum.powerwagonregistry.org/vie ... f=2&t=4883
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Sounds like you addressed most of the issues he mentioned were wrong with his. Unfortunately early production and prototypes are usually a little rougher then the later production pieces. Hope you get it sorted. Nice looking bumper.
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Could you make it work with the front parking sensors?
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Really (from my understanding) the only issue that Mike really seemed to encounter was the quality/quantity of welds. If you have since resolved the weld issues, I honestly don't see his review as being that bad. Yes, certainly it would deter a potential buyer if you hadn't stated that the weld issues are resolved now BUT, with them resolved it shouldn't be too much an issue. You've got a good design and it's the only game in town when it comes to a really truly Power Wagon specific bumper (IMHO) so, find a way to improve the welds (and I'd recommend welding the backsides of them, that's been a complaint I have seen about MANY companies' products and most of those companies are not ones that you would want to be lumped in with) and you'll be golden!!!! Definitely a very cool piece and some growing pains upon first production and development are certainly excusable/expected but getting into internet arguments won't help, churning out some badass bumpers with great welds on them will!!!! You've got the design, now refine the production quality and get it going!!!
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Agree 2XRAM4ROKS wrote:Really (from my understanding) the only issue that Mike really seemed to encounter was the quality/quantity of welds. If you have since resolved the weld issues, I honestly don't see his review as being that bad. Yes, certainly it would deter a potential buyer if you hadn't stated that the weld issues are resolved now BUT, with them resolved it shouldn't be too much an issue. You've got a good design and it's the only game in town when it comes to a really truly Power Wagon specific bumper (IMHO) so, find a way to improve the welds (and I'd recommend welding the backsides of them, that's been a complaint I have seen about MANY companies' products and most of those companies are not ones that you would want to be lumped in with) and you'll be golden!!!! Definitely a very cool piece and some growing pains upon first production and development are certainly excusable/expected but getting into internet arguments won't help, churning out some badass bumpers with great welds on them will!!!! You've got the design, now refine the production quality and get it going!!!
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Bullshit. Build one for a 3G, THEN you will be golden!
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Might as well use this for turd gensFirerescuePW wrote:Bullshit. Build one for a 3G, THEN you will be golden!
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MikeKey wrote:Might as well use this for turd gensFirerescuePW wrote:Bullshit. Build one for a 3G, THEN you will be golden!
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That hurts. I thought we were pals.
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I just want you to be fresh and clean.FirerescuePW wrote:That hurts. I thought we were pals.
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So it looks like I will Not be able to make the fall Moab run....
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Hey Mike. He's butt hurt. He's one of those guys that got to have the latest and greatest. If not, it's junk. Even if it's superior to the new stuff.FirerescuePW wrote:That hurts. I thought we were pals.
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RustyPW wrote:Hey Mike. He's butt hurt. He's one of those guys that got to have the latest and greatest. If not, it's junk. Even if it's superior to the new stuff.FirerescuePW wrote:That hurts. I thought we were pals.
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