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Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Reloaderguy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:33 pm

I've gotten pretty good at listening to my intuition and it seems like AEV isn't headed in the right direction any more. Sly marketing speak, cheap parts, hiding from customer's feedback/opinions. Something just doesn't seem right, what the hell happened?
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:10 pm

How about the time the two guys who supposedly had nothing to do with AEV started posting here, they've since disappeared and then an AEV support guy chimes in to tell us about the BETA ProCal.

Just recently I asked about why their lift doesn't allow 40's on the Hemi. My thread was apparently deleted today, because after they gave an answer saying it would be hard on the drive train, someone contradicted them.

They also delete comments asking about gear swaps and lockers in their Prospectors.

A lot of shady shit there. I don't doubt the quality, but some of the customer side interactions are weird. The new recruit really seems to drive home the chasing dollars over quality. Seems to be that's were they are heading. I get it, they claim it pays for more stuff. I'm sure it does. But the weird way they handle criticism and feedback. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And why delete a thread asking a question? I didn't even get to read the response. Someone pointed it out to me.

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Colibri » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:14 pm

The last thing I bought from them was a tj highline kit. They no longer have my respect as a company

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Post by zigsrig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:28 pm

Hey mike... I'm still here. And I still don't work for AEV ( neither does @timgco).

Maybe most of us stay off of this who are pro-AEV because we clearly like a brand that isn't "good enough" for you hard core guys.

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by DamageWagon » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:07 pm

AEV makes pretty stuff, calls it functional, charges high prices and markets their stuff well. And then if you use it, oh holy shit, hang on, it wasn't made for that, hey that stuff is DOT approved, not offroad approved! Calm down buddy, that's an 8,000lb truck, that's not supposed to go offroad!

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by nts007 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:57 pm

Is this the place to post my opinion about aev too? Oh wait. Aev doesn't want opinions from people who actually use their trucks. My bad
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:08 pm

zigsrig wrote:Hey mike... I'm still here. And I still don't work for AEV ( neither does @timgco).

Maybe most of us stay off of this who are pro-AEV because we clearly like a brand that isn't "good enough" for you hard core guys.

Good luck with those 40's
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DamageWagon wrote:AEV makes pretty stuff, calls it functional, charges high prices and markets their stuff well. And then if you use it, oh holy shit, hang on, it wasn't made for that, hey that stuff is DOT approved, not offroad approved! Calm down buddy, that's an 8,000lb truck, that's not supposed to go offroad!

Only suppose to go offroad for marketing and promotional materials. But when it actually flexes.... oh shit :doh:

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by zigsrig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:19 pm

Can someone, in their almighty wisdom, please elaborate on the "failures" or "shortcoming" AEV's gear for the Ram lineup has... I keep looking for broke down AEV trucks, and I'm just not seeing them....


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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Timgco » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:20 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:I've gotten pretty good at listening to my intuition and it seems like AEV isn't headed in the right direction any more. Sly marketing speak, cheap parts, hiding from customer's feedback/opinions. Something just doesn't seem right, what the hell happened?

I can't comment on cheap parts as I haven't had any issues with my builds. I have seen their marketing guy on their forum comment on parts to be released (Ramprocal) only to find a messed up roll out on them to the public. Some people are well versed on what they should and shouldn't release on forums. I know their long time rep left to pursue other avenues and that there aren't enough responses from them on the forums. I don't think their hiding. I think the lack of communication and differences on how to handle the public has shown.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Timgco » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:28 pm

MikeKey wrote:How about the time the two guys who supposedly had nothing to do with AEV started posting here, they've since disappeared and then an AEV support guy chimes in to tell us about the BETA ProCal.

:popcorn:
How about the time in that thread where you accused and attacked those two guys that don't work for AEV? Remember that? Didn't go anywhere and you know that Mike. Those two guys happen to own and wheel JKs with AEV product and have experience before most with the procals and that's why we both chimed in on the subject...you know, like normal non bi-polar forum members do.

Yep, still running a beta Procal along with quite a few others. I bet they work for AEV too. :roll
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by nts007 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:43 pm

Hey now if ya like your aev stuff then have at it. You don't see broke down aev trucks because when guys buy the mm they buy another truck to drive cause after you spend 100k on a truck mights as well park it and drive a dd. their suspension stuff is a joke. But to each his own.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by zigsrig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:55 pm

Another "their stuff is crap" but no definitive explanation as to "why" or even the elusive picture of something broken or not working...

So... what am I missing?....


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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Reloaderguy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:00 pm

Shit coil spacers, weak drop brackets, same dog shit rubber isolators as OE, drive shaft extensions, rebadged WheelPro cast wheels, etc. Just off the top of my head.
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Post by nts007 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:02 pm

Half a brain if your willing to spend the kind of money aev asks for a 2500 truck that's less than half as capable as a powerwagon. That costs 40% more than a wagon. Could they have done better. Hell yes. A billion times better. But bottom line there are suckers out there who will spend that kind of money at a dealership. Everything is so much better when you finance right?
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by zigsrig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:11 pm

Yet you all drool over this truck.... which was built with the "crappy spacer lift"...

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And let's not forget the praises for their wheels just two threads down...

You guys are confusing me...




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Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:15 pm

Timgco wrote: Those two guys happen to own and wheel JKs with AEV product and have experience before most with the procals and that's why we both chimed in on the subject...you know, like normal non bi-polar forum members do.

Yep, still running a beta Procal along with quite a few others. I bet they work for AEV too. :roll
I attacked you because once again you two magically always pop up when there is something about AEV. :popcorn:

Look out, hard core wheelers.

For starters, the AEV suspension lift, if installed on a PW limits the flex. Got to see that first hand myself, along with a dozen other people. Forum member JeepnJohny had AEV parts break on his JK.

His posts:
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BSh9koSjlKI/

AEV up until recently was selling their Dif covers to PW owners when another forum member here discovered they don't fit. AEV admitted they never tested their covers with the PW. I guess honest mistake, but seriously? At least they made good on fixing that too.

Tell me more about my bipolar self and all the people I don't get along with. :popcorn: Please should be entertaining. We all like hearing about how we're a bunch of bashers when you two show up.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by zigsrig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:17 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:rebadged WheelPro cast wheels
Remind me who makes your wheels again?....

Let play a game called " how many places in the world makes low volume cast aluminum wheels"...




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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Timgco » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:18 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:Shit coil spacers, weak drop brackets, same dog shit rubber isolators as OE, drive shaft extensions, rebadged WheelPro cast wheels, etc. Just off the top of my head.
While I agree that geometry correction through spacers is not for everyone, they ride and handle great. Mine is in stock suspension, but I have had seat time in a handful of 2500, 3500, and one Prospector XL on Cooper STT 40's. I think to really wheel these trucks, hydraulic bumps up front would be a good investment. Not to get off subject, but th Carli Back Country and Dominator kits ride much better! But that comes at a huge price for the later and that a lot of modifications on the later.

I have only seen one failure on a lifted AEV truck and that was due to improper drilling of the knuckle. Outside of that, I see no actual proof of their kits being crap and failing. I see a lot haters on AEV products with no personal experience. That's fine, but let's see some honest reviews from personal experience.

Most are running Thuren over here. I've been in two 2500's with their coils and shocks. They ride ok. The 14+ trucks need additional parts to really give a complete lift and I know Don was working in them. He might have them out now, haven't checked in a while.

What do you mean by Re-badged wheel pro?
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Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:18 pm

zigsrig wrote:Yet you all drool over this truck.... which was built with the "crappy spacer lift"...

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And let's not forget the praises for their wheels just two threads down...

You guys are confusing me...
That truck is a hybrid using Carli parts as well as AEV. Get your shit right.

There are some great concepts on that build. Ideas, I personally like and I'm using in my current build. Like cutting the pinch seam and moving the sliders up, and the high clearance rear bumper.

Turns out, we can critique and like something at the same time.
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Post by nts007 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:19 pm

If this wasn't so Damn funny I'd be annoyed. Everyone has their taste. This forum is a lot less about looking fancy and having functionality. You don't see guys going "look I bought aev spacer lift". No. It's "Thuren coils" there is a very good reason for that. Thuren designed his stuff to be used and abused. Aev designs their stuff for mass market and bottom line money grab. So they make it pretty and once in awhile sell a few good rebadged products and the odd one off. To each his own man. But this thread was asking why has aev gone to shit. Which if you have anything higher than a grade 5 education would recognize that the question clearly states that aev was ok or even good and now have gone to shit. See. Some people here thought they used to be good.
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Post by Timgco » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:30 pm

MikeKey wrote:
Timgco wrote: Those two guys happen to own and wheel JKs with AEV product and have experience before most with the procals and that's why we both chimed in on the subject...you know, like normal non bi-polar forum members do.

Yep, still running a beta Procal along with quite a few others. I bet they work for AEV too. :roll
Two homos magically always pop up when there is something about AEV. :popcorn:

Look out, hard core wheelers.

For starters, the AEV suspension lift, if installed on a PW limits the flex. Got to see that first hand myself, along with a dozen other people. Forum member JeepnJohny had AEV parts break on his JK.

His posts:
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Tell me more about my bipolar self and all the people I don't get along with. :popcorn: Please should be entertaining. We all like hearing about how we're a bunch of bashers when you two show up.
bi polar, I mean you're super nice on the AEV forum and FB page, but over here you're just a hardass calling people out.

You must have hit the trails with our groups since you know us Mike. I can tell you I Offroad quite a bit, but never claimed to be a hardcore off-roader. Not as much as you with your previous Hardcore Trailblazer. Lmfao! This isnt the first time nor is it the only forum you've come at me or Zig. Don't know what your deal is Mike, but but you're not making any friends nor adding value to any of the forum posts when you start this shit.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by zigsrig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:30 pm

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That truck is a hybrid using Carli parts as well as AEV. Get your shit right.
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Oh... I think I know my shit. And had plenty of time to watch the truck in person in Moab... right behind it on the trail [emoji6]

And carli radius arms don't equal a carli lift

[QUOTE=Diesel Power Products;112319]Thank you all for the interest in this build. To clarify some things however this being an AEV forum we would not be foolish enough as a dealer to come on here with anything but AEV suspension. We do have a couple of Carli parts to help in a few areas. The demands and abuse this vehicle will have on it are going to be severe and to maximize the articulation we are looking for we are using a set of Carli Fabricated radius arms. They are set up as a stock replacement arm and will work with a truck that has nothing done to it. They also come with a more flexible joint at the frame side to help alleviate some of the articulation restrictions the factory arms have. There is no better suspension system on the market for someone looking to run 40" tires on a ram truck. The guys at AEV have really hit it out of the park not only with the axle placement in the front to help with the turn radius (so the big ole meaty tires don't rub everything) but with the overall attention to detail. Their approach of handling the roll center as apposed to just putting something together to fit the tire size desired are the reason we are using their products on this build. The handling characteristics with 40's is every bit as good as stock to include aggressive maneuvering. We now have the remainder of the suspension installed and should have the cab back on the truck tomorrow. The highsteer draglink is installed, front track bar relocation kit with the spring relocation spacers to allow us to move the front axle forward, lower bumpstop pads with brake line relocation bracket, new front brake hard line, AEV's trackbar (which fits so perfect at full bump that you have about an 1/8" clearance from the lower engine crossmember), Rear trackbar relocation bracket at the axle, rear coil spring spacers, Radius arm drop brackets with 40" spacers to push the axle forward, and driveline spacer.[/QUOTE]

But what do they know...




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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Reloaderguy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:32 pm

zigsrig wrote:
Reloaderguy wrote:rebadged WheelPro cast wheels
Remind me who makes your wheels again?....

Let play a game called " how many places in the world makes low volume cast aluminum wheels"...




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They aren't rebadged, they are straight up WheelPro wheels. I paid $170ea for them, $70 less per wheel and "AEV" wheels. No fancy marketing double speak. Don't make excuses, no one cares about how few or how many wheel makers there are. You asked a question and I answered it. If I want a cheap cast wheel that'll get me by I'll just buy the cheap cast wheel without the name slathered on it. Save the flimflam for the unwashed masses.
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Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:34 pm

Timgco wrote:
bi polar, I mean you're super nice on the AEV forum and FB page, but over here you're just a hardass calling people out.

You must have hit the trails with our groups since you know us Mike. I cqm tell you I Offroad quite a bit, but never claimed to be a hardcore off-roader. Not as much you with your previous Hardcore Trailblazer. Lmfao! This isnt the first time nor is it the only forum you've come at me or Zig. Don't know why your deal is Mike, but but you're not making any friends nor adding value to any of the forum posts when you start this shit.
You two start crap everywhere. You came in this thread, and chose to start crap. Don't get bent out of shape because I am calling you on it. I don't care for you there and I don't care for you here. But tell us all about those trails in Colorado and how you're in a club and bla bla bla. :roll: If the best you can do is insult my past vehicles, you need to try puffing yourself up more. Not impressing me.

For two guys who don't post much, you sure do care an awful lot.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Timgco » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:37 pm

nts007 wrote:If this wasn't so Damn funny I'd be annoyed. Everyone has their taste.

But this thread was asking why has aev gone to shit. Which if you have anything higher than a grade 5 education would recognize that the question clearly states that aev was ok or even good and now have gone to shit. See. Some people here thought they used to be good.
I agree and like seeing the different suspension and how they function.. I think it's great to see the pros and cons.

I also agree on addressing the topic, and I have with my unprofessional opinion. I also addressed Mikes bs comment calling me and buddy out. Again! Pisses me off when I come here to enjoy and learn about the different mods on our rigs and I have to deal with that shit.
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