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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Reloaderguy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:37 pm

zigsrig wrote:Yet you all drool over this truck.... which was built with the "crappy spacer lift"...

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And let's not forget the praises for their wheels just two threads down...

You guys are confusing me...




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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by zigsrig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:38 pm

MikeKey wrote:
Timgco wrote: Those two guys happen to own and wheel JKs with AEV product and have experience before most with the procals and that's why we both chimed in on the subject...you know, like normal non bi-polar forum members do.

Yep, still running a beta Procal along with quite a few others. I bet they work for AEV too. :roll
I attacked you because once again you two magically always pop up when there is something about AEV. :popcorn:

Look out, hard core wheelers.

For starters, the AEV suspension lift, if installed on a PW limits the flex. Got to see that first hand myself, along with a dozen other people. Forum member JeepnJohny had AEV parts break on his JK.

His posts:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BShk-v4jKcI/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSh9koSjlKI/

AEV up until recently was selling their Dif covers to PW owners when another forum member here discovered they don't fit. AEV admitted they never tested their covers with the PW. I guess honest mistake, but seriously? At least they made good on fixing that too.

Tell me more about my bipolar self and all the people I don't get along with. :popcorn: Please should be entertaining. We all like hearing about how we're a bunch of bashers when you two show up.
Well there it is.... some one breaks a bracket and the whole thing must have been a crappy lift...

Still don't see how aev limits flex... and please don't repost your pictures. They don't "prove" a thing.


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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Reloaderguy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:39 pm

It's kind of strange how fast you two came calling in this thread. Odd indeed.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Timgco » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:39 pm

MikeKey wrote:
Timgco wrote:
bi polar, I mean you're super nice on the AEV forum and FB page, but over here you're just a hardass calling people out.

You must have hit the trails with our groups since you know us Mike. I cqm tell you I Offroad quite a bit, but never claimed to be a hardcore off-roader. Not as much you with your previous Hardcore Trailblazer. Lmfao! This isnt the first time nor is it the only forum you've come at me or Zig. Don't know why your deal is Mike, but but you're not making any friends nor adding value to any of the forum posts when you start this shit.
You two start crap everywhere. I don't care for you there and I don't care for you here. But tell us all about those trails in Colorado and how you're in a club and bla bla bla. :roll: If the best you can do is insult my past vehicles, you need to try puffing yourself up more. Not impressing me.

For two guys who don't post much, you sure do care an awful lot.
Yeah, not so much Mike. Go read your first post in this thread. You started shit. Again.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:41 pm

MikeKey wrote:AEV suspension lift, if installed on a PW limits the flex. Got to see that first hand myself, along with a dozen other people. Forum member JeepnJohny had AEV parts break on his JK.

His posts:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BShk-v4jKcI/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSh9koSjlKI/

AEV up until recently was selling their Dif covers to PW owners when another forum member here discovered they don't fit. AEV admitted they never tested their covers with the PW. I guess honest mistake, but seriously? At least they made good on fixing that too.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:43 pm

Still, I had a question earlier, and I guess I should have called AEV. Unsure what transpired in my thread but why remove a thread?
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Timgco » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:45 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:It's kind of strange how fast you two came calling in this thread. Odd indeed.
I came to this thread to comment because Zig was browsing the forum (like we both do), and showed me Mike Key posted about "us two guys". So here I am. :doh:

Btw. I look at this forum and a few others that are all about off reading, trail repair in my area, local Jeep club that I'm part of, a few FB pages. I live and breathe this stuff. In all honesty, I do not nor have I worked for AEV as insinuated. Neither has Zig. We just enjoy building our rigs and getting into the mountains.

You know how you have talked to Don at Thuren? Well, both Zig and I have friends in the industry including AEV and other manufactures.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by zigsrig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:46 pm

MikeKey wrote:
MikeKey wrote:AEV suspension lift, if installed on a PW limits the flex. Got to see that first hand myself, along with a dozen other people. Forum member JeepnJohny had AEV parts break on his JK.

His posts:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BShk-v4jKcI/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSh9koSjlKI/

AEV up until recently was selling their Dif covers to PW owners when another forum member here discovered they don't fit. AEV admitted they never tested their covers with the PW. I guess honest mistake, but seriously? At least they made good on fixing that too.
Just requoting myself here.
Looks to me like a shitty install job there...

Oh, and I know of at least one AEV wagon with the diff covers on... its sees a little bit of use too [emoji16]

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:56 pm

zigsrig wrote: Looks to me like a shitty install job there...

Oh, and I know of at least one AEV wagon with the diff covers on... its sees a little bit of use too [emoji16]

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Yeah, Aaron was told that it's designed to work with the AEV Lift. Actually, they gave super customer service in that instance and updated their site.

But kinda funny they didn't test that anyhow.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Reloaderguy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:57 pm

Timgco wrote:
Reloaderguy wrote:It's kind of strange how fast you two came calling in this thread. Odd indeed.
I came to this thread to comment because Zig was browsing the forum (like we both do), and showed me Mike Key posted about "us two guys". So here I am. :doh:

Btw. I look at this forum and a few others that are all about off reading, trail repair in my area, local Jeep club that I'm part of, a few FB pages. I live and breathe this stuff. In all honesty, I do not nor have I worked for AEV as insinuated. Neither has Zig. We just enjoy building our rigs and getting into the mountains.

You know how you have talked to Don at Thuren? Well, both Zig and I have friends in the industry including AEV and other manufactures.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but anyone who contacts Thuren talks to Don. I don't run around swing from his nuts though. I never once brought anyone but AEV up. It's interesting how your participation here goes; when AEV comes up, here you are. This reinforces my impression of the current state of affairs.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by nts007 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:08 pm

But reloaderguy this is the only time they get their post counts up. Look
Tims at 99 and zigs at 22. It's how we get them to participate haha
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Post by nts007 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:09 pm

In fact according to stats this thread is zigs most active topic with 8!!! Posts alone
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MikeKey » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:15 pm

It's funny, earlier today when I got asked about my 40's thread and then noticed it was now deleted; my first thought and reply was "If I should post asking about the beta Pro Cal" jokingly.

So when this thread got posted later, the first thing I thought to mention in my opening, was the AEV ProCal thread. It was pretty epic. Wasn't meant to start anything. Wasn't really even thinking about you guys, which is why it's one sentence, then another paragraph and a whole new thought.

But you guys came back and felt emotionally triggered to respond to me. And to tell everyone they're wrong and they're opinions are stupid. Which is pretty much all you've done in this thread.

You clearly see things differently though, but I'll just compile the evidence here, Zigs first post is directed solely at me, with loads of snark.
zigsrig wrote:Hey mike... I'm still here. And I still don't work for AEV ( neither does @timgco).

Maybe most of us stay off of this who are pro-AEV because we clearly like a brand that isn't "good enough" for you hard core guys.

Good luck with those 40's \
Next up, is Zig reminding us our opinions are shit.
zigsrig wrote:Can someone, in their almighty wisdom, please elaborate on the "failures" or "shortcoming" AEV's gear for the Ram lineup has... I keep looking for broke down AEV trucks, and I'm just not seeing them....
Then you Timgco, right out of the gate go for insult.
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How about the time in that thread where you accused and attacked those two guys that don't work for AEV? Remember that? Didn't go anywhere and you know that Mike. Those two guys happen to own and wheel JKs with AEV product and have experience before most with the procals and that's why we both chimed in on the subject...you know, like normal non bi-polar forum members do.

Yep, still running a beta Procal along with quite a few others. I bet they work for AEV too. :roll

You both are adults, and you both chose how to respond. So stop pretending like I'm the one forcing your replies. You might want to reevaluate your own statements about friends there bud. I usually try to encourage others.

I'll do you a favor, and I'll stop responding to your comments. And I'll stop being a troll. For now.

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Timgco » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:18 pm

nts007 wrote:In fact according to stats this thread is zigs most active topic with 8!!! Posts alone
Well now i feel left out. :excited:
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Post by DamageWagon » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:33 pm

This is hilarious. Dude if you want a kit that makes your truck look absolutely gorgeous, the AEV kit is hard to beat. But it absolutely sucks ass offroad. You're paying a ton of money for LESS THAN STOCK performance. We had a guy with an AEV Power Wagon in Moab and it ruined the truck. Flex sucked, bumper sucked, and for how much money he put into that truck, his suspension was a pile of steaming shit next to anybody there with even modest suspension upgrades. My 2011 with Kings and a CAMPER ON THE TRUCK performed better than a brand new AEV Power Wagon. That's sad. If the owner is reading this, I'm not trying to bash the guy, but hot damn was that an eye opener.

Additionally. I've heard of several critical failures of AEV bracketry. The kind of stuff that kills people. Trackbar brackets shearing off and the front axle sliding sideways under the truck. That's unacceptable, even more so when they know it's an issue and don't fix it. Then they come out with this joke Recuit package. I remember reading the horrible Expedition Portal review of if... When even your own paid sponsor can't find something positive to say about your product, you've flat out failed.


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Post by nts007 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:35 pm

I apologize. But congratulations on your 100th post!!!
Lol
It was just funny that 36% of zigs posts in their entirity are in this thread

I'd really be happy to see u guys posting build threads or telling us how your stuff is lasting long term.

I'm dead set against aev. I won't lie. I do believe they have a few good products though. But it's like this.
I'm a home builder. If I went to my customer and pushed this extremely fancy house design where I told them I was giving them top notch product and materials and after they gave me their hard earned moneythen turned around and used the cheapest stuff I could find and then put some real expensive countertop in and motorized window coverings in to take their eye and interest away from a shoddy piece of crap job done that you can get then I would be called out by my peers and others in my industry. And if I can get my business because a local lumber store promotes me then offeres financing I would still be "that guy". I'm not. I stand by my work 100% and only use products I know are engineered well to last and give the customer the best possible home I can. So when I see aev with a bumper (quartz or granite counter) or a snorkel (iPhone controlled blinds) and then I see a spacer lift that does nothing that any other Joe Shmoe could do with some coil spacers and some bds long arms and a sawzall could do then I am far from impressed. Had aev actually done a complete suspension or at least taken an existing system that actually improves the trucks for what they brag they can do (where's the lockers for that price tag) then I would be less against them.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Reloaderguy » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:47 am

It's like the Twilight Zone, DOR has a better reputation here. No amount of holster-sniffing changes it either. What would it take for AEV to be an off-road company agai ?
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Post by Z's2016PW » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:51 am

Have their lift utilize the power wagon springs so that you can actually get some up and down travel. That would be a good start. Maybe make a one inch taller power wagon spring to get rid of the spacers. I think those would make the off-road crowd happy. Keep the spacer lift for the mall crawlers. That's my two cents.

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Post by 04Ram2500Hemi » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:14 am

MikeKey wrote:How about the time the two guys who supposedly had nothing to do with AEV started posting here, they've since disappeared and then an AEV support guy chimes in to tell us about the BETA ProCal.

Just recently I asked about why their lift doesn't allow 40's on the Hemi. My thread was apparently deleted today, because after they gave an answer saying it would be hard on the drive train, someone contradicted them.

They also delete comments asking about gear swaps and lockers in their Prospectors.

A lot of shady shit there. I don't doubt the quality, but some of the customer side interactions are weird. The new recruit really seems to drive home the chasing dollars over quality. Seems to be that's were they are heading. I get it, they claim it pays for more stuff. I'm sure it does. But the weird way they handle criticism and feedback. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And why delete a thread asking a question? I didn't even get to read the response. Someone pointed it out to me.

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I saw that your 40's with a Hemi disappeared. I thought it was kind of odd.

I like certain things AEV offers for the Ram (wheels, raised air intake), and I think for the average guy (this includes me) the lift system would be plenty. That being said, I don't think it's the best system out there for guys who really use their trucks. I've actually been giving the Carli Back Country Lift, but I'm not sure I want to spend the money just yet.
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Post by MikeKey » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:19 am

Well, the lift is really designed for standard 2500's for starters if we think about it. (Yes we have Power Wagons, but we need to look at it from the market perspective. They're building for the wide market. Not us dorks soley.) To get that 3-inch lift at a discounted price compared to say Carli or Thuren. And it is better than a basic spacer 3-inch lift like Traxda or something along those lines.

But when you look at the cost, you've spent half the cost of a Carli pin-top or Thuren 3 inch lift with kings. So you spent $2,050.00 (AEV listed price) if you had a diesel. Not terribly bad. Just a little more than I paid for my bumper.

Compared to the top of the line Carli Off-Road package at $4,640.00 (Carli listed price). But we all know the kit is not really designed for hard wheeling, despite the advertising. It's better compared to Carli's Commuter 2.0 kit. Which comes in at $2,825.00 (Carli listed price) with fox shocks, coils, track bar, radius arm drop bracket, swap bar drops, bump drops, yada yada.

The real question in my mind then, is why does the AEV kit even exist? It's not even better than the Carli Commuter, so what niche is it filling? For what you are paying, for a few hundred more you could have a better setup. For a few thousand more you could go all out. My real thoughts here are that it might be low-cost production, high-profit item. Just guessing, however.

I'm one of those kinds of guys where I look at these, and if I could only afford 2k now, I would just say to myself, "I'm half way to the all out system with the BEST performance. So I might as well just wait longer so I can do it right the first time." Rather than spending 2k and ending up with a system that is MHEM at best performance. Only to want to go all out on something better later.

But that's just me.
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Post by olyelr » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:29 pm

My take on the AEV suspension kit is pretty simple...

- It was designed for people who want the same ride characteristics and capability of the factory suspension by utilizing the majority of the factory suspension, yet to be 3" taller in the front and 2" taller in the rear.

Its pretty much that simple. If you dont like that, than their kit most likey is not what you are looking for.
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Post by 14PowerWaggy » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:43 pm

olyelr wrote:My take on the AEV suspension kit is pretty simple...

- It was designed for people who want the same ride characteristics and capability of the factory suspension by utilizing the majority of the factory suspension, yet to be 3" taller in the front and 2" taller in the rear.

Its pretty much that simple. If you dont like that, than their kit most likey is not what you are looking for.
I'd agree with this statement... My buddy has the AEV lift, with Carli arms, on his 2016 CTD... His reasoning is he wanted to maintain the factory tow ratings and ride quality... He does tow a 5th wheel with his very expensive Jeeps on it... He would have been fine to leave his truck alone, but he can't leave anything alone so went with the AEV lift, 37" Nitto tires and Trail Ready beadlook wheels... Still has the factory coils so still tows like it was stock... Did have to have a custom 5th wheel made as most standard 5th wheels weren't tall enough to accommodate the raised ride height... I'd also believe that since many dealers sell the turn key AEV vehicles with full warranty, that many people go with AEV as they know they will have no warranty issues... I could be far off but just my $.02
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by laramieskibum » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:09 pm

olyelr wrote:My take on the AEV suspension kit is pretty simple...

- It was designed for people who want the same ride characteristics and capability of the factory suspension by utilizing the majority of the factory suspension, yet to be 3" taller in the front and 2" taller in the rear.

Its pretty much that simple. If you dont like that, than their kit most likey is not what you are looking for.
This. And for people who start with a CTD as a priority not a wagon.

Love mine for what it is. I tow, didn't want air bags, wanted to save money for lockers, wanted the ground clearance provided by 37" tires and wanted the torque to turn them with a diesel. Has done everything I've asked of it.

Bumper?: for me personally: wanted something designed to crush/yield on big impacts to protect the frame, tucked tight to body for a winch, and pretty to look at. It is stout. I've hit a rock hard. No damage. I want to be able to smash deer and antelope and limp home but yield to protect my family. Only ARB and AEV are designed for that I believe. Remember, for a CTD there is no other bumper that tucks a winch in this tight to the intercooler, looks this pretty, built this tough, and is easily modified for 41" tires. ARB would have been a second or even better choice (intercooler protection) but seems to have a shitty approach angle.

Do I want a $8k carli kit? Yeah. Is it tested with the stability system so I can rest at ease when my wife and kids take the truck on a 80mph interstate? No...do I have the money in the budget for this truck for that suspension and 40" tires? No. But some would rather go high speed off road rather than go for departure/breakover/approach on a Cummins truck..which is awesome.

Diffcovers: really like them. Expensive? Bling? Yeah. True. Other options out there? Yeah. Less expensive? Yeah. Do we all spend too much on our trucks? Yup....Love the fill, drain, and inspection ports. Hitting things in the snow with a 8700lb empty truck sucks, especially when ARBs are at risk and it's -20 below out and your 100 miles from a shop...damn people cutting their trees above the ground....

To each their own. If you decide a power wagon is for you and you want CTD torque / manual tranny / mileage, than AEV is not a bad route to go...

I don't use my truck as hard as some of you but I use it as hard as most of you. That's why I lurk here, we share the same uses...only mine are slanted towards towing / forest roads and ski/hunt/fish access not running trails at Moab.


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Post by laramieskibum » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:09 pm

olyelr wrote:My take on the AEV suspension kit is pretty simple...

- It was designed for people who want the same ride characteristics and capability of the factory suspension by utilizing the majority of the factory suspension, yet to be 3" taller in the front and 2" taller in the rear.

Its pretty much that simple. If you dont like that, than their kit most likey is not what you are looking for.
This. And for people who start with a CTD as a priority not a wagon. Wagon crowd isn't the target, too small...

Love mine for what it is. I tow, didn't want air bags, wanted to save money for lockers, wanted the ground clearance provided by 37" tires and wanted the torque to turn them with a diesel because at the time 40-41" might have been a kit soon. Has done everything I've asked of it. Sold the labor of my life, a TJ, to build it. With these priorities in this order: safety, ground clearance, towing capacity, looks, chain clearance (for October in the mountain west).

Bumper?: for me personally: wanted something designed to crush/yield on big impacts to protect the frame, tucked tight to body for a winch to maintain approach angle , and pretty to look at. It is stout. I've hit a rock hard. No damage. I want to be able to smash deer and antelope and limp home but yield to protect my family and my frame. Only ARB and AEV are designed for that I believe. Remember, for a CTD there is no other bumper that tucks a winch in this tight to the intercooler, looks this pretty, built this tough, crash tested/designed to yield, and is easily modified for 41" tires. ARB would have been a second or even better choice (intercooler protection) but seems to have a shitty approach angle and is ugly...

My body shop has had multiple oil field trucks come in with tweaked frames from ranch hand bumpers and Mule deer strikes. That's cool for oil field use where one job missed could cost as much as such a repair but he has started using ARB bumpers on all his family vehicles as a result.

Do I want a $8k carli kit? Yeah. Is it tested with the stability system so I can rest at ease when my wife and kids take the truck on a 80mph interstate? No...do I have the money in the budget for this truck for that suspension and 40" tires? No. But some would rather go high speed off road rather than go for departure/breakover/approach on a Cummins truck..which is awesome, but I would rather have the 40" tires, air down, have the approach/departure/ground clearance/break over and still go faster than I should on forest roads.

Diffcovers: really like them. Expensive? Bling? Yeah. True. Other options out there? Yeah. Less expensive? Yeah. Do we all spend too much on our trucks? Yup....Love the fill, drain, and inspection ports. Hitting things in the snow with a 8700lb empty truck sucks, especially when ARBs are at risk and it's -20 below out and your 100 miles from a shop...damn people cutting their trees above the ground....

To each their own. If you decide a power wagon is for you and you want CTD torque / manual tranny / mileage, than AEV is not a bad route to go...

I don't use my truck as hard as some of you but I use it as hard or harder as most of you. I have the body damage, pin striping, and skid marks to prove it. I'm on my second rear bumper and smashed into a rock twice as big as the truck on the front aev bumper with nothing but a paint chip to show for it. That's why I lurk here, we share the same uses want the same things...only mine are slanted towards towing / forest roads and ski/hunt/fish access with a diesel truck not running trails at Moab with a gas truck. My truck is a means to a trailhead...with 3 kids a wife and 2 dogs in tow.

Mine is home rolled, built by me not bought, I did it for much less than the retail trucks. If someone had the bling for such a truck, good for them. This truck is just as at home at 85mph as it is towing 8,000 lbs at 70mph as it is at 1mph in 4x4 low in 17" of snow chasing elk (or rather getting to a trailhead to start the hunt). Having lockers meant doing the work myself to keep costs down and no crazy high dollar suspensions, but it also gave me an appreciation for the design and how it wraps around the ram factory parts. I have 48,000 miles on the truck, 40,000 of those with these parts, very few issues and decent customer service when I did. I wheel with my brother in law who has a 3G wagon and go anywhere he goes...again, not Moab or some off road park, but legal desert/forest roads that would stop a low slung normal truck, especially during the shit roads of hunting season. Plowed many miles of snowy road with the aev bumper (so deep the fog light covers came off, which aev has changed the mounting method now).

Now blowing threads and posts away even on a company owned website is BS - I saw that too. Doesn't give me a good feeling. I feel like Chris is doing that without much oversite. It didn't start till he started frequenting the forums.

Wants: a intercooler protection method, rear bumper w/ winch, spare tire/hilift mounts, and cut out rear of fenders like some Tacoma bumpers.

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MSCH2112 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:17 pm

having owned 2 PW's, i now own a 2500 ctd...primarily went this route because i tow heavy loads and the PW sucked at it. now that i've had some seat time in the ctd, there is no way i would slap coil spacers on and offroad the thing. it just weighs too damn much and little articulation. i've already blown a sidewall on my 20" tire at 2k miles. that was $350! thank goodness i had a full size spare at 1am in the boonies.

however i do like AEV's 17" wheels which i may get some day cause these 20" wheels just suck, but it was part of the deal i got. AEV's bumper is cool, but i'm thinking it will just hang down too low at stock height. and do i really want to stick this heavy stiff truck in the muck somewhere?

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