Why has AEV turned to such shit?

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by RustyPW » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:34 pm

That kit is designed for regular 2500 and 3500. Not the PW pre say. The PW is an afterthought because the parts fit.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by olyelr » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:55 pm

RustyPW wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:34 pm
That kit is designed for regular 2500 and 3500. Not the PW pre say. The PW is an afterthought because the parts fit.
Exactly. Kinda. I honestly think AEV thinks regular 2500 springs are better, that is why they recommend using the other springs. Maybe if you tow heavily or have a diesel...

Otherwise, they could relatively easily make some more American made spacers that were, say, 1.5" or 2" thick up front (instead of the 3"), and maybe 3/4" or 1" out back... and then let us retain the factory springs. Most of the other stuff from the kit would probably still work as it would essentially be the same height.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Reloaderguy » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:31 pm

Except 40's don't just fit with a 3" AEV lift. Nice try Dave.

Oh, and that stock'ish steering gear is the same 20k mile service life junk that came on the trucks OE.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MikeKey » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:31 pm

But then they sell converted Power Wagons if it's an afterthought? I mean we had a guy come out to PWIM with an AEV Power Wagon...
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by TwinStick » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:57 pm

We are a niche group. I think we can all agree that there are MANY MORE reg Ram 2500/3500's & CTD 2500/3500's sold than there are Power Wagons. Majority seems to get the aftermarket stuff first. We are an afterthought. There have been a few people that mixed & matched all different parts & ended up with a PW that has absolutely KILLER flex. But 37's seem to be about it. There are exceptions but most are not willing to spend the coin needed to properly run & flex 40's.
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-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by olyelr » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:02 pm

Reloaderguy wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:31 pm

Oh, and that stock'ish steering gear is the same 20k mile service life junk that came on the trucks OE.
Stockish steering gear? They dont even touch that, do they?

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But then they sell converted Power Wagons if it's an afterthought? I mean we had a guy come out to PWIM with an AEV Power Wagon...
I honestly think they believe the Power Wagon springs are no good for the truck. I asked them long ago (before I even owned a Power Wagon) why I couldnt use their kit yet still retain the stock PW springs. Their reply was something along the lines of "Why would you want a truck so tall? Why would you want a truck so tall with soft springs? Why would you want a truck with such soft springs that you couldnt use the truck as a truck?" Their other issue with using the PW springs was, with their kit, they allow 1 more inch of uptravel compared to the factory setup (truck goes up 3", but only a 2" bumpstop extension is added), and they apparently know that the 40 something other springs could handle that without coil bind occurring... but hadnt tested a PW spring to know if those could handle it :roll:
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by MikeKey » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:23 am

olyelr wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:02 pm

I honestly think they believe the Power Wagon springs are no good for the truck. I asked them long ago (before I even owned a Power Wagon) why I couldnt use their kit yet still retain the stock PW springs. Their reply was something along the lines of "Why would you want a truck so tall? Why would you want a truck so tall with soft springs? Why would you want a truck with such soft springs that you couldnt use the truck as a truck?" Their other issue with using the PW springs was, with their kit, they allow 1 more inch of uptravel compared to the factory setup (truck goes up 3", but only a 2" bumpstop extension is added), and they apparently know that the 40 something other springs could handle that without coil bind occurring... but hadnt tested a PW spring to know if those could handle it :roll:
Sounds like more, we never actually tested it, but trust us we know what we're talking about. I'm still confused on following that logic. The AEV I parked next too was the same height my truck is now on 37's with Thuren's front coils only. I've heard it repeated from RAM engineers themselves that the diesel has less up travel and it's one of the reasons the Power Wagon didn't come with a diesel, so how is it I would have less up travel again?

Just trying to understand ...
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by coder » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:50 am

The the RAM Truck AEV kit is an adventure themed vehicle package, the lift is engineered to that purpose, larger tires support that theme, and they do have some cool stuff the snorkel, bumper, wheels, etc. appear to be well made.

If you want a true performance suspension you need to find that through other vendors Carli, Thuren, Pure Performance, etc. At least to me it seems fairly straight forward not quite sure what all the controversy is about.

If AEV tried to make a kit that was the best at everything it would have such a high cost aimed what is a small market segment it would never be profitable.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by olyelr » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:40 pm

MikeKey wrote:
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... so how is it I would have less up travel again?

Just trying to understand ...
I dont know if that questions was toward me or if it was just a general question for the thread.

You do not have less uptravel with your setup... unless you added taller bump-stops. Thurens springs handle the factory bump-stop height. So, if you gained 1.5" in height over the factory PW height, you gained 1.5" in uptravel compared to the factory setup.

Now, the AEV setup... that has added bump-stops. But, the factory springs are actually compressed 1" more than the original factory setup (truck is raised 3", but the bump-stop is not dropped that far). So they technically gain 1" of uptravel through the suspension cycle.

That is the way I understand it anyway.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by olyelr » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:52 pm

coder wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:50 am

If you want a true performance suspension you need to find that through other vendors Carli, Thuren, Pure Performance, etc. At least to me it seems fairly straight forward not quite sure what all the controversy is about.
Exactly. That is exactly how I feel about it.

AEV has absolutely outdone any other manufacturer at physically lifting the vehicle while utilizing basically all of the factory suspension components (aside from the shocks). And they addressed steering angles as well, along with moving the front axle forward. No other spacer lift compares. But yes, it is a far cry from an upgraded/performance suspension in my mind.

For someone who wants to fit bigger tires on their truck, yet have all the capabilities of the original factory setup, you cant beat the AEV dual sport kit.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by TwinStick » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:35 am

Most are pretty single minded thinking when it comes to a Power Wagon. I can't tell you how many times other campers have said to me "if your gonna tow-why on earth would you buy a Power Wagon?" It has "way less towing capacity." My simple answer was always: "does your truck have full skidplating, a 1.5" lift, 33" tires on forged aluminum Alcoa rims, front & rear lockers, disconnecting front swaybar for awesome articulation & a 12,000 lb WARN winch ?"---THAT is why i got a Power Wagon, because it has all those things already- & for around $350 & 2 hrs in the driveway-it tows as good as yours !!! From the factory, yes & I know you can never legally increase the factory numbers, but you can certainly make it able to handle the "rated factory numbers" MUCH BETTER & SAFER. By just adding 4 leaf-1 ton helper springs on mine, it was able to tow it's max factory 10,500 lbs about 1000% better & safer.

Yes, I also agree, that AEV certainly has it's place. If you absolutely need a CTD, use that truck to it's rated capacity & want bigger tires, a lift that retains as MUCH factory stuff as possible (read still covered under warranty), then they are the go-to people. I just wish I was able to afford one myself. Never gonna happen unless I win the lottery that I don't play ! :lol:
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Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by HammerTime » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:48 am

Howdy, just out of curiosity... How much effect on articulation does the 4 leaf-1 ton helper springs have? I currently tow a max of 7700 LBs but with gear and stuff in the truck I'm probably pushing the weight limit a bit. The helper springs would be a great addition if they don't hose the off road capability much.

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by olyelr » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:23 am

HammerTime wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:48 am
Howdy, just out of curiosity... How much effect on articulation does the 4 leaf-1 ton helper springs have? I currently tow a max of 7700 LBs but with gear and stuff in the truck I'm probably pushing the weight limit a bit. The helper springs would be a great addition if they don't hose the off road capability much.

Thanks!
???? Looked under your truck yet? There are no leaf springs on the ‘14+ trucks.

I would consider air bags before I swapped to normal 2500 coil springs.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by Bill2014 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:51 am

olyelr wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:23 am
HammerTime wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:48 am
Howdy, just out of curiosity... How much effect on articulation does the 4 leaf-1 ton helper springs have? I currently tow a max of 7700 LBs but with gear and stuff in the truck I'm probably pushing the weight limit a bit. The helper springs would be a great addition if they don't hose the off road capability much.

Thanks!
???? Looked under your truck yet? There are no leaf springs on the ‘14+ trucks.

I would consider air bags before I swapped to normal 2500 coil springs.
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by RPS1030 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:59 am

Bill2014 wrote:
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HammerTime has a 2013 - they still had leaves :wink:
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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by TwinStick » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:43 pm

HammerTime wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:48 am
Howdy, just out of curiosity... How much effect on articulation does the 4 leaf-1 ton helper springs have? I currently tow a max of 7700 LBs but with gear and stuff in the truck I'm probably pushing the weight limit a bit. The helper springs would be a great addition if they don't hose the off road capability much.

Thanks!
I lose about 4" I think. Those leafs are on top of the stock leafs.. If I need full flex, I can just remove the outer most u-bolts in 10 minutes or less, with a battery impact wrench. Tires still stuff into the fenderwells, just not as far as stock.
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Load Pro 35 helper springs. 2015 A.R.E. MX Series custom cap. PCP front diff cover protector. Mag-Hytec 6 qt rear diff cover. K&N replacement air filter only. Dual grounded throttle body. Winch TPC bypass. Fab Four rear bumper. DURA BAK lined rocker protection. And a bunch of new front end stuff.

G-56 Gear ratios: 1st) 6.29:1 2nd) 3.48:1 3rd) 2.10:1 4th) 1.38:1 5th) 1.0:1 6th) 0.79:1 Rev 6.29:1 --- = 78.01613:1 Crawl Ratio
-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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