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New Purchase Considerations

Post by Ando427 » Fri May 26, 2017 1:10 pm

Hi All,

I'm new to the Power Wagon scene and tried searching the forums for a similar thread but couldn't find one.

First, I'm on the hunt for a used Power Wagon and was wondering what problem areas should I be looking for when inspecting trucks.

Second, there are currently two dealers near me with Power Wagons for sale (I haven't found any private sellers on CL or otherwise), one has a 2008 with 40,xxx miles and the other has a 2010 with 60,xxx miles. The asking price from both dealers is within $1,000 of each other, and from what I can tell they're both in great shape and have similar options. what are your thoughts on these two trucks?

Lastly, I'm in the San Diego, Ca area and am willing to travel a reasonable distance for a good truck, so if anyone has any leads on Power Wagons for sale in that area, please send me a DM. Thanks!

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Re: New Purchase Considerations

Post by Shaved Ice » Fri May 26, 2017 4:57 pm

I owned a 2007 Power Wagon similar to the 2008 you mentioned. I now own a 2017. The 2010-2013 years (including the 2010 you mentioned) were the newer body style but without the lift, newer suspension or bigger motor of the 2014+ Power Wagons. The 2008 you mentioned has a lower gear ratio, shorter wheelbase, better weight to HP ratio, and better approach/departure angles. Not to mention lower miles. The choice for me would be easy.
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Post by MSCH2112 » Fri May 26, 2017 5:31 pm

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Post by DamageWagon » Fri May 26, 2017 5:57 pm

Shaved Ice wrote: The 2008 you mentioned has a lower gear ratio, shorter wheelbase, better weight to HP ratio, and better approach/departure angles. Not to mention lower miles. The choice for me would be easy.
Some of this is false. All PW's up to 2013 have 4.56 axle ratios, and the 2010 engines have quite a bit more torque/power than the previous engines.

Approach/departure might be true but I've never noticed that being an issue between the two.

Shorter wheelbase of 9", sounds good on paper but after spending a week in Moab I laugh at wheelbase guesstimations.

I would hands down go for the newer truck. The creature features murder the third gen trucks, you will love a 4th gen. Also, you will spend more money replacing broken HVAC parts and old seals on a 3rd gen than you will on anything on a 4th gen with 20k more miles. That is nothing. I've got 165,000 on my beaten 2011 and only a few little things have gone, almost entirely due to misuse by government drivers.

Get the 2010 of its a good price and you will be a happy man.

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Re: New Purchase Considerations

Post by Shaved Ice » Fri May 26, 2017 6:52 pm

DamageWagon wrote:
Shaved Ice wrote: The 2008 you mentioned has a lower gear ratio, shorter wheelbase, better weight to HP ratio, and better approach/departure angles. Not to mention lower miles. The choice for me would be easy.
Some of this is false. All PW's up to 2013 have 4.56 axle ratios, and the 2010 engines have quite a bit more torque/power than the previous engines...
I stand corrected on the gear ratio. However, regarding the weight to HP ratio: The 2010 weighs 6804 pounds with 383 hp. The 2008 weighs 6081 pounds with 345 hp. This means the 2008 is carrying around 0.14 pounds less per horsepower. This is minimal, but the older truck has a slight advantage. More importantly, the older truck weighs over 700 pounds less, which is kind of important in an off-road vehicle.

Edit: The 2008 can also tow more, 10,750 compared to 10,300 for the 2010.
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Post by DamageWagon » Fri May 26, 2017 7:24 pm

Thanks for putting the numbers up Shaved Ice. The weight difference is entirely made up of creature features though


Edit: And seats that are actually comfortable!

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Post by Shaved Ice » Fri May 26, 2017 7:28 pm

I agree completely with the creature comforts being better in the newer truck.
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Post by RustyPW » Fri May 26, 2017 9:09 pm

I have an '08. I won't give it up for one of the newer PW's. The only thing that it has been back to the dealer for is the clock spring in the steering wheel,
I had to change a rear brake caliper also. Have 70,000 on it now.
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Re: New Purchase Considerations

Post by BoldAdventure » Fri May 26, 2017 10:12 pm

Shaved Ice wrote:
DamageWagon wrote:
Shaved Ice wrote: The 2008 you mentioned has a lower gear ratio, shorter wheelbase, better weight to HP ratio, and better approach/departure angles. Not to mention lower miles. The choice for me would be easy.
Some of this is false. All PW's up to 2013 have 4.56 axle ratios, and the 2010 engines have quite a bit more torque/power than the previous engines...
I stand corrected on the gear ratio. However, regarding the weight to HP ratio: The 2010 weighs 6804 pounds with 383 hp. The 2008 weighs 6081 pounds with 345 hp. This means the 2008 is carrying around 0.14 pounds less per horsepower. This is minimal, but the older truck has a slight advantage. More importantly, the older truck weighs over 700 pounds less, which is kind of important in an off-road vehicle.

Edit: The 2008 can also tow more, 10,750 compared to 10,300 for the 2010.
Those numbers are so small you aren't going to notice them. Not even worth arguing about. The older truck has no discernable advantage. And the 3rd gens come with a host of problems that would out weight a few hundred pounds. Chrysler was at a low point during those years, even if the PW some how managed to be acceptable.

And given it's age, probably isn't performing as well anyhow. And crank numbers, LOL. :lol: Crank numbers. Love it.
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Post by flattire » Fri May 26, 2017 10:56 pm

Problem areas to consider:
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Post by RustyPW » Fri May 26, 2017 11:22 pm

[/quote]Those numbers are so small you aren't going to notice them. Not even worth arguing about. The older truck has no discernable advantage. And the 3rd gens come with a host of problems that would out weight a few hundred pounds. Chrysler was at a low point during those years, even if the PW some how managed to be acceptable.

And given it's age, probably isn't performing as well anyhow. And crank numbers, LOL. :lol: Crank numbers. Love it.
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Re: New Purchase Considerations

Post by Ando427 » Sat May 27, 2017 12:57 am

Thanks for the feedback all!

The death wobble note is interesting because the 2010 shows on its cargax that it made several trips to the dealership for what was described as front suspension inspection/service. I wonder what was actually going on during those services...

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Post by FirerescuePW » Sat May 27, 2017 9:02 am

I'll stick with my acceptable '05.... But i would absolutely take a new one, given the chance!


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Post by BoldAdventure » Sat May 27, 2017 10:14 am

FirerescuePW wrote:I'll stick with my acceptable '05.... But i would absolutely take a new one, given the chance!


Just remember, all of the issues with 3Gs can be solved with replacement parts. All of the nanny issues you 4-5G guys bitch about require wizards...
If I didn't have kids, I think a 3rd gen manual single cab build might be fun. 3rd gen parts are plentiful. I'm still of the personal mindset that I don't know what the bitching is about. I must be too stupid. :rockon:
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Post by FirerescuePW » Sat May 27, 2017 11:59 am

Haha! Yeah, I wondered where the "adapt, improvise, overcome" attitude went.

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FirerescuePW wrote:Haha! Yeah, I wondered where the "adapt, improvise, overcome" attitude went.

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Post by Shaved Ice » Sat May 27, 2017 1:11 pm

I keep mine in my Rambox. :D
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FirerescuePW wrote:I'll stick with my acceptable '05.... But i would absolutely take a new one, given the chance!


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FirerescuePW wrote:Haha! Yeah, I wondered where the "adapt, improvise, overcome" attitude went.

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FirerescuePW wrote:Haha! Yeah, I wondered where the "adapt, improvise, overcome" attitude went.

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Now we are all on the same page!

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Post by flattire » Sun May 28, 2017 10:03 pm

Ando: There were some "recalls" about that time . Tie rod ends and maybe steering stabilizer if I recall.

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Post by GunniPWguy » Tue May 30, 2017 3:43 pm

The newer ones don't have the panty hook.
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Re: New Purchase Considerations

Post by Ando427 » Tue May 30, 2017 3:56 pm

As the search continues, I'm now debating between a 2010 and 2013 that are basically the same price, mileage and options. As I see it, the main benefit of the 2013 is that it has the UConnect 8.4 system and the 2010 does not. The only thing is, I don't really know what all the features of that system are... Any insight/reviews on its functionality vs what the 2010 truck would have had (it still has nav)?

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Post by BoldAdventure » Tue May 30, 2017 5:33 pm

GunniPWguy wrote:The newer ones don't have the panty hook.
They usually fall off long before you get into the truck.
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