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Pro comp, Mickey Thompson, Dick cepek and Mastetcraft are all made by Cooper. Should all relatively be the same tire. I believe the STT, MTZ, AND PRO COMP MT are all the same carcass. Same for st maxx, fun country, and atz. Toyo tires seem to ride and balance the best.
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Well to be different I am running Hercules Terra Trac T/G Max. Thus far they are great in snow, road and light off roading. Have not tested them heavy duty off roading.
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I think the Nitto Ridge Grappler is a good tire so far, have had it off road a few times in rocky trails and doesn't show any real abuse. I havnt had is snow yet, live in AZ, but a neighbor has them on his truck and 35`s and had the opportunity to go up north this past winter and said he helped pull a few people out that were stuck in the snow, and the tires did awesome.
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I had Nitto's once before. The Trail Grappler M/T's and they were amazing offroad. The only complaint I had was that they were the worst tire I ever owned when it came to the rain. Hydroplane city with them. Wasn't good for living in Florida. I could hydro just driving down my own street under 15mph. Not kidding. I grew to hate those tires. But damn were they nice off pavement. Of course, this was a different vehicle. Much lighter, so might of been a factor.
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I liked them, good off road tire but the more they wear the louder they get on the street I replaced them because it got on my nerves after awhile.olyelr wrote:How did you like those pro comps as a dd? My buddy has a set of 40s of those on his jeep and they do damn good. Chunk up a bit in the rocks and he has torn a sidewall or two, but real good otherwise. Wondering if they are decent for dd-ing. Looks like half way through their life they start losing their sipes...coder wrote:I am somewhat of a tire-aholic and have had the follow tires on my PW in the last 10+ years, got the truck in March 07 and has been my daily drive every since.
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Wish manufacturers would not cheap out on tires. You have to get a 70K Raptor to get a nice set of Ko2 BFGs....
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It's actually more about the deals they make with manufacturers. Ford has a deal with BF Goodwrench, FCA has one with Goodyear. Wrangler Duratrac on our trucks. Wrangler SRA on 1500's, Wranglers on Jeeps, etc.FordyceCreekTrail wrote:Wish manufacturers would not cheap out on tires. You have to get a 70K Raptor to get a nice set of Ko2 BFGs....
Besides, why pay 72k for a one-trick pony that can't do much of anything but go fast to get nice small tires.
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Tore my first sidewall today. Maybe the Oem Duratracs are thinner than the aftermarket? Never had it happened on my old truck.
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Here's mine. A dead tree branch did that.ramv wrote:Tore my first sidewall today. Maybe the Oem Duratracs are thinner than the aftermarket? Never had it happened on my old truck.
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So I moved the spare to the front and bought a new one. Good for another 20k or so. (six to eight months)
Are the BFGs better? How short are they? Will the 35"/315 be taller than the current 285?
Are the BFGs better? How short are they? Will the 35"/315 be taller than the current 285?
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ramv wrote:So I moved the spare to the front and bought a new one. Good for another 20k or so. (six to eight months)
Are the BFGs better? How short are they? Will the 35"/315 be taller than the current 285?
That's what I did. I now have two new tires (with the spare) on the front and two 1/2 worn tires on the rear on the 16.
I have load range E 285 BFG's on the 07. As far as them being better, the sidewalls are, that's for sure. They're good in the snow, not so good in real mud. They "look" smaller than the Duratracs. Still haven't decided what to put on the 16, but it won't be any more Duratracs.
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The truck i owned before this i had a set of Dick Cepek Fun Country 2 on. Best tires ive ever owned, As soon as i have a problem with these goodyears i will be throwing a set of them on here.
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Cooper STT Pro 315/70r17
These are wearing in and I love them so far. After 500 miles the tread squirm disappeared and I've aired them down to about 58psi cold so they're riding great now.
These are wearing in and I love them so far. After 500 miles the tread squirm disappeared and I've aired them down to about 58psi cold so they're riding great now.
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I try to be objective about OEM parts and stay out of most of the bashing of manufacture's designs. When I saw several forum members bashing the Duratracs, I took it as more of the same. I did look at a lot of reviews and found a mixture of good and bad.
That all changed today. I pulled into a commercial gravel parking lot to turn around, about ten minutes later, my low tire pressure light came on. I was almost home so I just drove home and was down to 20 PSI when I arrived. I pull the tire off but don't see any screws or nails. which is what I assumed I picked up in the commercial gravel parking lot. I do see two pieces of gravel stuck in the lugs. I add some air and immediately hear and feel air coming out around one of the pieces of gravel. I pulled it out and took a couple of pics and posted below. The first is the top view and the second is a side view, in relation to how it was stuck in the tire. I understand the sidewall being a little weaker and prone to puncture, but this was in the middle of the tread, and a piece of GRAVEL. My truck is a 2017 with only 6,300 miles so there is still plenty of tread. The gravel just wedged between the tread and made the hole. Anyway, I used the opportunity to have my 11 year old son help change the tire. I am getting it patched tomorrow (too late tonight). I assure you, I will NOT buy Duratracs once these wear out.
That all changed today. I pulled into a commercial gravel parking lot to turn around, about ten minutes later, my low tire pressure light came on. I was almost home so I just drove home and was down to 20 PSI when I arrived. I pull the tire off but don't see any screws or nails. which is what I assumed I picked up in the commercial gravel parking lot. I do see two pieces of gravel stuck in the lugs. I add some air and immediately hear and feel air coming out around one of the pieces of gravel. I pulled it out and took a couple of pics and posted below. The first is the top view and the second is a side view, in relation to how it was stuck in the tire. I understand the sidewall being a little weaker and prone to puncture, but this was in the middle of the tread, and a piece of GRAVEL. My truck is a 2017 with only 6,300 miles so there is still plenty of tread. The gravel just wedged between the tread and made the hole. Anyway, I used the opportunity to have my 11 year old son help change the tire. I am getting it patched tomorrow (too late tonight). I assure you, I will NOT buy Duratracs once these wear out.
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They call that stone drilling. I had cactus go through my stock duratracs sidewalls like butter
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Heads up: Tire Rack has 37x12.50R17 KO2s on sale for $300 a tire. This is at least $50 a tire cheaper than anywhere else I've seen. You could always try ordering from somewhere with free shipping and see if they'll price match Tire Rack if you want to save even more.
This is totally messing with my decision between 37" KO2s or Toyo R/Ts.
This is totally messing with my decision between 37" KO2s or Toyo R/Ts.
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I was tossed up between AT tires in a 37 or a more aggressive and durable MT E load range 35. I just mounted a 35'' spare under my truck in the stock location which was nice to have the ability to do. E load range 35's are super heavy. 37's would be crazy heavy in e load range however some d load range lighter weight 37's I could live with considering the 4.10 gearing on the 4.5 gen trucks. Just my opinion of course. The KO2's will be lighter in a 37'' no doubt. If you're set on 37's I would go that direction not knowing how you plan to use them (If you need 10 ply/3 ply sidewalls).
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Yeah, you aren't kidding about E rated tires! The Toyo R/T in 35x12.50R17 in E load rating is 75# whereas the 37" KO2 is only 71#!Rodeoflyer wrote:I was tossed up between AT tires in a 37 or a more aggressive and durable MT E load range 35. I just mounted a 35'' spare under my truck in the stock location which was nice to have the ability to do. E load range 35's are super heavy. 37's would be crazy heavy in e load range however some d load range lighter weight 37's I could live with considering the 4.10 gearing on the 4.5 gen trucks. Just my opinion of course. The KO2's will be lighter in a 37'' no doubt. If you're set on 37's I would go that direction not knowing how you plan to use them (If you need 10 ply/3 ply sidewalls).
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Most of the 37s that I have looked at (both the Toyos and KO2s) are D load rated but at much higher weight, 3525# vs 3195# for the 35" E Rated Toyo. I suppose the main difference is in sidewall construction - I think I'd rather have the flex of the D than the extra belting of the E anyway. I'm not doing any kind of heavy hauling. I was originally planning on getting the R/T in 37" because I was afraid the KO2 wouldn't last that long on this heavy of a truck - there are many complaints on CumminsForums of the tire being too soft for a 3/4 ton truck and the Toyo has a 45,000mi treadwear warranty. But at $300 a tire for 37s the KO2s are a bit cheaper and also there is a slight chance that I could fit a 37" KO2 spare in the factory location thought it would likely require lube, ratchet straps, a floor jack and a lot of cursing.
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It's funny how 4 lbs of unsprung weight makes a difference in handling and braking not to mention suspension wear etc.
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Just one mans opinion here, but our trucks are heavy enough that sidewall flex on an E range tire is not a problem at all. I'm on toyo mt's in 37x13.50r17 and aired down just a little bit from my street pressure they conform very nicely to the terrain. Lighter weight tires are certainly easier on gas and components but I have a hard time trusting them from a death wobble and reliability perspective. Also if you have to contend with cactus mesquite or sharp rocks etc. the thicker sidewall is worth its weight in gold. My buddy has the ko2's on a Jeep and he speaks highly of them but I wouldn't put them on a 2500
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If you go with bigger tires like 37's, you probably will want E range to limit sidewalk squirm. Also, weight itself isn't what makes tires difficult to turn, inertia is. A 37" tire weighing 50 pounds will be harder to turn than a 35" tire weighing 55 pounds, because the weight is farther from center.
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What's this "sidewalk" squirm all about? Never seen one move around, not even the one in front of my parents house, and that's on a highway.
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If you start running a heavy truck like ours with a low load range, the sidewalk will definitely start to squirm. It just can't take it. Pedestrians, Rams, Load range C's... Horrible scenario. Squirmy.Pit Slave wrote:What's this "sidewalk" squirm all about? Never seen one move around, not even the one in front of my parents house, and that's on a highway.
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Considering the stock Duracraps were load range D I think you'll be fine with a 37 in load range D. My Toyo 35's are E rated, but I probably put a good couple thousand miles on the Duratracs towing and I didn't really notice any problems. I just prefer a 10 ply tire usually. But it does seem the E rated options are limited in 37's.
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I have been out of town so I don't have pics up yet but I just got Toyo RTs in 37x12.50 mounted up on my 2012. I have been a BFG AT user for many years. I am loving the RTs so far. Put them on and drove them for a week then took a vacation to the beach with the family pulling our 30 foot travel trailer. Great road manners even with the trailer on. Acceleration and stopping distance are very different with the 37s which was expected but it took a few miles to readjust.
You can hear a subtle hum on the road but they are really quiet for how aggressive they are. I am really happy with them so far. My tire guy says they will get loud if you don't keep a pretty aggressive rotation schedule (every 3,000) but I typically do that anyway so no biggie there. Face is sore from the big grin I get every time I drive it.
You can hear a subtle hum on the road but they are really quiet for how aggressive they are. I am really happy with them so far. My tire guy says they will get loud if you don't keep a pretty aggressive rotation schedule (every 3,000) but I typically do that anyway so no biggie there. Face is sore from the big grin I get every time I drive it.
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