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Re: Kinzer Off-Road Bumper - Reviewed - Moab Tested

Postby Hammerballs » Tue May 16, 2017 12:30 pm

MikeKey wrote:I recently came across another option, but I see a few design flaws with it for that are shopping.

http://www.775fabrication.com/shopbumpe ... -2014-2017

I do see a few design flaws though, like how do you access the clutch lever for manual release of your line? And the plug cut out is... mhem. My plug died, this bumper would require removing to replace if yours went bad. With Kye's I was able to replace without removal of bumper.

I do like the angles on the lights, but it looks like it lacks some of Kye's protection. But it's another option for those wanting a bull bar too.

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MikeKey, I have emailed 775 about this bumper. It is hard to see in the pictures but there are two diamond cutouts on the top face of the bumper to access the plug and clutch lever. Probably fine for accessing the clutch lever but you are right about the difficulty to replace a plug if it goes bad. It also requires a Hawes fairlead and switch to synthetic line. I'm considering this bumper too because I like the bull bar look but it still doesn't quite check all the ideal boxes. Haven't found that bumper yet.

The other options I have found along with Kye's:

http://www.addictivedesertdesigns.com/f ... ory-winch/

Just learned of these guys:
http://www.throttledownkustoms.com/c-13 ... dodge.html

All have compromises. Wish I was a good welder and fab guy.

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Re: Kinzer Off-Road Bumper - Reviewed - Moab Tested

Postby Hammerballs » Tue May 16, 2017 12:31 pm

MikeKey wrote:I recently came across another option, but I see a few design flaws with it for that are shopping.

http://www.775fabrication.com/shopbumpe ... -2014-2017

I do see a few design flaws though, like how do you access the clutch lever for manual release of your line? And the plug cut out is... mhem. My plug died, this bumper would require removing to replace if yours went bad. With Kye's I was able to replace without removal of bumper.

I do like the angles on the lights, but it looks like it lacks some of Kye's protection. But it's another option for those wanting a bull bar too.

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MikeKey, I have emailed 775 about this bumper. It is hard to see in the pictures but there are two diamond cutouts on the top face of the bumper to access the plug and clutch lever. Probably fine for accessing the clutch lever but you are right about the difficulty to replace a plug if it goes bad. It also requires a Hawes fairlead and switch to synthetic line. I'm considering this bumper too because I like the bull bar look but it still doesn't quite check all the ideal boxes. Haven't found that bumper yet.

The other options I have found along with Kye's:

http://www.addictivedesertdesigns.com/f ... ory-winch/

Just learned of these guys:
http://www.throttledownkustoms.com/c-13 ... dodge.html

All have compromises. Wish I was a good welder and fab guy.

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Re: Kinzer Off-Road Bumper - Reviewed - Moab Tested

Postby MikeKey » Tue May 16, 2017 1:31 pm

Hammerballs wrote:MikeKey, I have emailed 775 about this bumper. It is hard to see in the pictures but there are two diamond cutouts on the top face of the bumper to access the plug and clutch lever. Probably fine for accessing the clutch lever but you are right about the difficulty to replace a plug if it goes bad. It also requires a Hawes fairlead and switch to synthetic line. I'm considering this bumper too because I like the bull bar look but it still doesn't quite check all the ideal boxes. Haven't found that bumper yet.

The other options I have found along with Kye's:

http://www.addictivedesertdesigns.com/f ... ory-winch/

Just learned of these guys:
http://www.throttledownkustoms.com/c-13 ... dodge.html

All have compromises. Wish I was a good welder and fab guy.


aearles told me that too. I'm looking at those little holes and we both had the same thought, looks small as S//T - My lever takes some force not a flip of the finger. Really hard to gauge without seeing it in person.

I've mentioned these before, but I'll add them to this post for others (Especially you 3rd Gen guys): https://www.ocfwelding.com/bumpers - has some really nice bumpers. Nothing specifically for the PW, but based on feedback he can change any bumper. Also, guy is a full-time welder building this stuff. So lead time is better than others who are doing it as side business/hobbies.

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Re: Kinzer Off-Road Bumper - Reviewed - Moab Tested

Postby RAM4ROKS » Tue May 16, 2017 7:35 pm

My criteria (no particular order):
Easy manual and visual access to the winch
Must be able to retain stock winch mount
NO usage of a second fairlead of any sort
Minimal protrusion
Removable skidplate (that protects winch and swaybar motor)
Bow shackle mounts tie directly to frame at 3-4 bolts per side (designed for 3/4" pin minimum shackle, no smaller)
Must fit my (2) driving lights, (2) fog lights and (2) rocklights
High clearance but full width (I've hit the plastic under my headlights a few times)

Kinzer meets all but the lights and the removable skidplate. With a little tweaking, I think it could meet all but the removable skidplate.
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Re: Kinzer Off-Road Bumper - Reviewed - Moab Tested

Postby RAM4ROKS » Tue May 16, 2017 7:37 pm

The 775 looks great! But, I would never run a bumper with so little ability to see the winch spooling, with that second fairlead setup, I don't know how well you'd see the drum at all! Plus, looks like getting hands on the winch pug and lever would be difficult, even with those access holes. Also, I personally would want the shackle tabs mounted higher up, I'd grab those on rocks a LOT in that position.
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Re: Kinzer Off-Road Bumper - Reviewed - Moab Tested

Postby MikeKey » Wed May 17, 2017 1:29 pm

Another glaring problem (just giving my opinion, here again) the 775 bumper is another new shop, charging more than AEV or ARB and they can't ship tomorrow like both of those companies can. That price needs to be under 2k.

If you are building a custom steel bumper with lead time, and you're not a top-tier brand company doing SEMA shows, it needs to be under 2k. You don't have a 2k ++ product. You're not a known brand. I know the exact quality I'll get from AEV. I don't know what to expect from you till I have the product.

Also, guys. What is with the laser cut logos. I get it, you want to be like the ROCKSTAR BRAND, but maybe wait until people want your logo on their trucks before plastering giant LOGOs on things.

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RAM4ROKS wrote:The 775 looks great! But, I would never run a bumper with so little ability to see the winch spooling, with that second fairlead setup, I don't know how well you'd see the drum at all! Plus, looks like getting hands on the winch pug and lever would be difficult, even with those access holes. Also, I personally would want the shackle tabs mounted higher up, I'd grab those on rocks a LOT in that position.


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Yeah, that fairlead design is bad. And tells me the designer/welder hasn't spent a lot of engineering time thinking about it. If I was 775 I'd consider ripping off Kye's opening style with my own flavor. (Sorry Kye)

It's clear that Kye spent time thinking about all the pull angle on the winch line. I'll have no problems. I can see all kinds of problems with the double head design. Including failures.

The other thing I'm thinking about are those shackle mounts, look like fangs, and they're going to get dragged on things a lot if you actually use the bumper the way I use mine. Not a bad design, just might have done it differently. They are def going to get scratched to hell.

I love the angles under the headlamps and the bull bar on the bumper. It's a great design from a starting perspective. But there is room for improvement there. Especially with the whole winching setup. That just doesn't look thought thru. Especially for the price tag.
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Re: Kinzer Off-Road Bumper - Reviewed - Moab Tested

Postby MikeKey » Wed May 17, 2017 7:50 pm

Just thought I'd update this real quick. I am going to be adding Baja Designs Squadron Pro LED's to the bumper.

https://www.bajadesigns.com/products/sq ... -combo.asp

The measurements match up perfectly, however the mounts that came with the bumper will have to go.

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