Airlifter 5000 Ultimate airbags w/ Daystar cradles '14+

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Re: Airlifter 5000 Ultimate airbags w/ Daystar cradles '14+

Post by olyelr » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:09 pm

Exactly. I understand that timbrens work well for what they are and certainly are easier to operate, but they just dont compare to bags in any scenario except simplicity.

One thing I am gonna spring for in the near future is the onboard air setup with in cab controls. That would just be awesome. Is it needed? Well heck no... but neither are power windows and door locks, but they sure are nice to have.
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Re: Airlifter 5000 Ultimate airbags w/ Daystar cradles '14+

Post by NickTF » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:59 am

TankerZak wrote:
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The bags go to 100 psi and they are taller than the Timbrens i took off. Airbags are just flat out better. Truck rides better empty, rides better loaded, and shouldn't sag as much because they are taller. And you get full articulation when bags are empty. It's really a no brainer. I should have never done Timbrens. I gave mine to DamageWagon. Hope it works for him offsetting the weight of his camper. But for someone who runs unloaded then tows heavy. Airbags. Especially if you already air up and down anyway. I run my tires at 45 psi front / 40 psi rear. So throwing air in and removing from the bags isn't a big deal. I already have the compressor out.
My ride empty has not changed with the timbrens, but I installed them without the included spacer. If you install them with the spacer there would be contact nearly all the time with the timbrens and the axle pads so if this is how anyone installed them empty ride will most definitely suffer. Now, if I was going offroad alot more than I do even with the way my timbrens are installed empty ride would suffer. This is with the oem springs which are fairly stiff for an empty bed with no tongue weight. If you have Thuren's rear springs which are far softer and better riding from my understanding the timbrens may be more noticeable.

At the time the Timbrens were around a third of the price of air bags and a much easier/quicker install. They were always intended to be a band-aid for me given my focus was the boat and getting it ready for full time activity. Now, I'll start to look back at the air bags which were my end goal all along. Glad to hear that they will fight sag better than the timbrens. I'm really not interested in going down the road with the boat in tow with the ass looking like it's dragging. Don't like the way that looks and don't like the way that handles. Non issue with timbrens and an oem suspended truck but would be an issue with my timbrens and raising the front to near level.

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Re: Airlifter 5000 Ultimate airbags w/ Daystar cradles '14+

Post by TankerZak » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm

Timbrens give you a shock when they do contact. So its jarring if you hit a bump. Normally they are fine but lock your jaw if you go over railroad tracks... i didn't do the onboard air because i have to air up my tires anyway to 60/65 to tow from 45/40. I have a air compressor in my garage and a 12v one that runs off my battery in the truck. My spare tire is also a 35 and at 20psi. So an onboard air compressor tied to the bags only solved one small issue.

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Post by TankerZak » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:02 pm

Daystar cradles installed. Lined up just perfect. We did have to disconnect the shock to get enough space to drill and tap the bump pad. Works great.

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Post by olyelr » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:48 pm

TankerZak wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:02 pm
Daystar cradles installed. Lined up just perfect. We did have to disconnect the shock to get enough space to drill and tap the bump pad. Works great.


Did that take care of the noise you were hearing?
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Re: Airlifter 5000 Ultimate airbags w/ Daystar cradles '14+

Post by TankerZak » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:28 am

olyelr wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:48 pm
TankerZak wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:02 pm
Daystar cradles installed. Lined up just perfect. We did have to disconnect the shock to get enough space to drill and tap the bump pad. Works great.


Did that take care of the noise you were hearing?
Yeah, all good. Everything is perfect and no spacer.

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Re: Airlifter 5000 Ultimate airbags w/ Daystar cradles '14+

Post by olyelr » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:18 pm

TankerZak wrote:
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Yeah, all good. Everything is perfect and no spacer.
Did you happen do any measuring to confirm for sure? The way i noticed mine articulating the other day, it didnt look like the rear wheels were stuffing up in the wheel wells as high as normal. I just dont want to remove the spacer, and then see my shocks blow from bottoming out before the airbag bumpstop is compressed. I have occasionally hit the rear bumps in the past hahahah.

Since obviously I cant see inside the bags to actually measure the height of the bumpstop, my plan is to remove the bottom bolt in the rear shocks, remove the springs and then set the truck down on the bumpstops... then try to bolt the shocks back up :D
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Post by olyelr » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:44 pm

Welp, since photobucket is a greedy fawking joke now, I uploaded the images to a different site and added them back in to my original post.
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Post by olyelr » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:45 pm

What a shitshow that was.
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Post by TankerZak » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:42 pm

You can feel and measure the jounce in the bag if you push hard enough. I measured what hardware came off and what went on. It was like a 1/4 inch difference.

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Post by olyelr » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:16 pm

Far from scientific, but judging by these two photos, the air bags with spacers definitely hinder rear articulation...

Obviously, the pic with snow on the ground is the one with bags/spacers (grass pic was with no bags). The passenger side rear tire was off the ground, so I would have to imagine the drivers side was fully stuffed. Both pics are pretty much at the same place on the same trail. I will be doing a more "accurate" calculation, but as of right now I am with TankerZak... the factory spacers are not needed with these bags (5000 Ultimate with the interior bumpstop).

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Re: Airlifter 5000 Ultimate airbags w/ Daystar cradles '14+

Post by TankerZak » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:33 am

Please follow up when you do the more accurate calculation. I think my measurements are within 1/4 (mostly because i cant touch the internal jounce and see how much give it has) of an inch but would love a second opinion. Actually 3rd opinion as DamageWagon helped on the install. And by help i mean he did most of it...

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Post by olyelr » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:25 am

TankerZak wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:33 am
Please follow up when you do the more accurate calculation. I think my measurements are within 1/4 (mostly because i cant touch the internal jounce and see how much give it has) of an inch but would love a second opinion. Actually 3rd opinion as DamageWagon helped on the install. And by help i mean he did most of it...


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Yea I will certainly update this thread when I come up with a better answer.


If I add the wireless one compressor setup, can I just tee into the current air lines I have and be done? And leave the valves by the back bumper? Seems like it would work to me.
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Re: Airlifter 5000 Ultimate airbags w/ Daystar cradles '14+

Post by TankerZak » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:24 pm

I'd think so. Maybe just call Airlift and ask.

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