What is your favorite 4th Gen bumper?

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Re: What is your favorite 4th Gen bumper?

Post by RustyPW » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:34 am

At work. All winch cables, overhead crane cables had to be steel. All synthetic rope, slings, etc had to be replaced every 4 years. If the synthetic stuff seen chemicals, oil, gas, heat over 200F, have tears gets replaced. I've seen guys at work cut rock when winching. :shock:
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Re: What is your favorite 4th Gen bumper?

Post by Rodeoflyer » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:38 am

Speaking of the sensors...I've gotten pretty good at using the rear camera for judging distance and just ordered a front facing camera that integrates with the Garmin drivesmart 60 lmt gps. If the front facing camera works as well as the rear for judging distance the beepers/parksense wont be needed imo.

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Post by Hammerballs » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:04 pm

Rodeoflyer wrote:Speaking of the sensors...I've gotten pretty good at using the rear camera for judging distance and just ordered a front facing camera that integrates with the Garmin drivesmart 60 lmt gps. If the front facing camera works as well as the rear for judging distance the beepers/parksense wont be needed imo.

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Can you post what camera you got? That is one of the things I wish for most on the PW. With our giant nose a front facing camera like the Raptor makes so much sense.

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Post by Rodeoflyer » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:12 pm

I used Marriott points to get the Garmin 60 lmt (lifetime traffic/maps). Ive been rolling around upgrading my uconnct nav ($600) or going external and when I saw it listed at the Marriott store snapped it up. The camera model is Garmin bc30 wireless backup camera. I plan to mount it in the grill. According to the specs you connect it to constant power and can switch between GPS and camera on the HU.

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Re: What is your favorite 4th Gen bumper?

Post by MikeKey » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:25 pm

I've been thinking about synthetic for awhile, but the fact that it needs to be cleaned and stuff makes me second guess that. I've used the winch 3 times now. How much more time would the synthetic just be getting dirty and wet all the time on the front of my truck.
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Post by FirerescuePW » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:43 pm

I did forget to mention one other point- the drums on our winches aren't really ideal for synthetic line. The construction of a drum for steel is different than for synthetic. Synthetic flattens under pressure, which makes it wider, this putting excess pressure on the flanges on the end of the drum. Steel doesn't do that, so the drums aren't built to withstand the extra pressure. You could break the flange off, given the right circumstances.

Also, the brake inside the drum puts all the heat from the brake right into the rope. Wire rope isn't affected. Synthetic rope can be affected by as little as 150°F. Winches with a cone brake are better suited to synthetic line.

And yes, I know about the 12,000-15,000 thing. We've had that discussion many times, both here and on DT, where many of us came from.

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Post by Hammerballs » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:14 pm

FirerescuePW wrote:I did forget to mention one other point- the drums on our winches aren't really ideal for synthetic line. The construction of a drum for steel is different than for synthetic. Synthetic flattens under pressure, which makes it wider, this putting excess pressure on the flanges on the end of the drum. Steel doesn't do that, so the drums aren't built to withstand the extra pressure. You could break the flange off, given the right circumstances.

Also, the brake inside the drum puts all the heat from the brake right into the rope. Wire rope isn't affected. Synthetic rope can be affected by as little as 150°F. Winches with a cone brake are better suited to synthetic line.

And yes, I know about the 12,000-15,000 thing. We've had that discussion many times, both here and on DT, where many of us came from.

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Post by Reloaderguy » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:59 pm

RustyPW wrote:At work. All winch cables, overhead crane cables had to be steel. All synthetic rope, slings, etc had to be replaced every 4 years. If the synthetic stuff seen chemicals, oil, gas, heat over 200F, have tears gets replaced. I've seen guys at work cut rock when winching. :shock:
If I had a fleet of work trucks with winches that employees would use alone I would never put synthetic rope on them. On my own truck? Sure...I have to replace my gear if I tear it up. Not to mention I know how to rejoin broken synthetic rope so I won't be be shit out of luck. Try tying your wire rope back together if you break it.
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Re: What is your favorite 4th Gen bumper?

Post by FirerescuePW » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:44 pm

Hammerballs wrote:
FirerescuePW wrote:I did forget to mention one other point- the drums on our winches aren't really ideal for synthetic line. The construction of a drum for steel is different than for synthetic. Synthetic flattens under pressure, which makes it wider, this putting excess pressure on the flanges on the end of the drum. Steel doesn't do that, so the drums aren't built to withstand the extra pressure. You could break the flange off, given the right circumstances.

Also, the brake inside the drum puts all the heat from the brake right into the rope. Wire rope isn't affected. Synthetic rope can be affected by as little as 150°F. Winches with a cone brake are better suited to synthetic line.

And yes, I know about the 12,000-15,000 thing. We've had that discussion many times, both here and on DT, where many of us came from.

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Re: What is your favorite 4th Gen bumper?

Post by FirerescuePW » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:45 pm

Hammerballs wrote:
FirerescuePW wrote:I did forget to mention one other point- the drums on our winches aren't really ideal for synthetic line. The construction of a drum for steel is different than for synthetic. Synthetic flattens under pressure, which makes it wider, this putting excess pressure on the flanges on the end of the drum. Steel doesn't do that, so the drums aren't built to withstand the extra pressure. You could break the flange off, given the right circumstances.

Also, the brake inside the drum puts all the heat from the brake right into the rope. Wire rope isn't affected. Synthetic rope can be affected by as little as 150°F. Winches with a cone brake are better suited to synthetic line.

And yes, I know about the 12,000-15,000 thing. We've had that discussion many times, both here and on DT, where many of us came from.

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