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MOPARManiac
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by MOPARManiac » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:20 pm
Low_Sky wrote:Of all the body-mount sliders I've seen, Randy Ellis looks to have the best one. I would be concerned about drilling that many holes in the rockers with a design that looks like it would trap water and road salt/grime against all those holes. I think they'd be fine in the Southwest, but I'd be worried about my rockers turning to cheese in Alaska or any other place that gets real winter weather. On a completely subjective note, I don't like his sex-appeal marketing strategy. His home page has a scrolling banner showcasing models with bad double entendres about "bolt-ons" and "headlights". What do boobs have to do with rock sliders?
Agreed, that design would cause rust in a hurry.
White Knuckle sliders are the only option.
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by olyelr » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:56 pm
MOPARManiac wrote:Low_Sky wrote:Of all the body-mount sliders I've seen, Randy Ellis looks to have the best one. I would be concerned about drilling that many holes in the rockers with a design that looks like it would trap water and road salt/grime against all those holes. I think they'd be fine in the Southwest, but I'd be worried about my rockers turning to cheese in Alaska or any other place that gets real winter weather. On a completely subjective note, I don't like his sex-appeal marketing strategy. His home page has a scrolling banner showcasing models with bad double entendres about "bolt-ons" and "headlights". What do boobs have to do with rock sliders?
Agreed, that design would cause rust in a hurry.
White Knuckle sliders are the only option.
No, but they're a good one!
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by Reloaderguy » Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:02 pm
RED pricing is nowhere neer low enough to convince me to Swiss-cheese my rockers.
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by RustyPW » Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:18 pm
If you do any hard offroading. You want frame mounted rock rails. Anything else, you're taking a chance. I've bent the nerf (DOM tubing, 1.75" dia, .250" wall) on the right side, pivoting around a tree stump.
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by OffroadTreks » Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:45 pm
Adam_C wrote:MikeKey wrote:Just to repeat what others are saying, if you are going to wheel hard, you should invest in the White Knuckle sliders. There is some guy on the FB group who is making knock offs. And I think that is Randy Ellis. He's in Canada so it tends to be cheaper for folks up north.
Negative, Randy is in Phoenix and his rails are nothing like the WKs.
My mistake, the guy I am thinking of goes by Raf Raf (Rafal Wrobel) on the FB Power Wagon group.
This is what his sliders look like
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by Adam_C » Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:56 pm
Hey MikeKey, anybody post any reviews on those? I was half tempted to have a local guy fab up something similar to the WKs (depending on price) before I decided on the REDs. For a while I was running N-Fab steps and they were perfectly fine.....for steps. I knew the minute I decided to take the rig offroad they were going to get mangled so I pulled them off. Having a bitch of a time selling them
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by Will » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:58 am
MOPARManiac wrote:Low_Sky wrote:Of all the body-mount sliders I've seen, Randy Ellis looks to have the best one. I would be concerned about drilling that many holes in the rockers with a design that looks like it would trap water and road salt/grime against all those holes. I think they'd be fine in the Southwest, but I'd be worried about my rockers turning to cheese in Alaska or any other place that gets real winter weather. On a completely subjective note, I don't like his sex-appeal marketing strategy. His home page has a scrolling banner showcasing models with bad double entendres about "bolt-ons" and "headlights". What do boobs have to do with rock sliders?
Agreed, that design would cause rust in a hurry.
White Knuckle sliders are the only option.
Do you drill holes in the frame for the WK or use existing holes? I understand what yall are saying, I would prep and seal the holes in the pinch weld before mounted anything. I could see any kind of surface damage causing a problem around salt. Prevent it before it's a problem.
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by olyelr » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:57 am
One existing hole gets used on each side. All remaining 18 bolts go on the top and bottom of the frame, not through it.
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by OffroadTreks » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:46 am
The RED rails aren't much cheaper than the WK. And they aren't going to keep you away from something. Recently in northern Idaho while in the woods I cut a corner that otherwise my entire rear passenger door would of caught a tree, but instead the WK sliders caught the tree and pushed the truck out of the way. The kick out in the rear did exactly what it's suppose to do.
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by Low_Sky » Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:26 am
Will wrote:MOPARManiac wrote:Low_Sky wrote:Of all the body-mount sliders I've seen, Randy Ellis looks to have the best one. I would be concerned about drilling that many holes in the rockers with a design that looks like it would trap water and road salt/grime against all those holes. I think they'd be fine in the Southwest, but I'd be worried about my rockers turning to cheese in Alaska or any other place that gets real winter weather. On a completely subjective note, I don't like his sex-appeal marketing strategy. His home page has a scrolling banner showcasing models with bad double entendres about "bolt-ons" and "headlights". What do boobs have to do with rock sliders?
Agreed, that design would cause rust in a hurry.
White Knuckle sliders are the only option.
Do you drill holes in the frame for the WK or use existing holes? I understand what yall are saying, I would prep and seal the holes in the pinch weld before mounted anything. I could see any kind of surface damage causing a problem around salt. Prevent it before it's a problem.
RED's mounting instructions call for using the slider as the drill guide. You're supposed to clamp it in place, get the outside rivets in place, then drill and rivet the rest of the holes as you go. I suppose you could try to clamp them up well enough to drill all the holes, then remove them and re-paint the holes, but you might end up with alignment problems.
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by FirerescuePW » Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:37 am
On 3G trucks, WK fully clamp around the frame, and there are 2 welded on tabs with holes that the instructions say are optional. You drill the frame and run a self tapping bolt into each one to prevent the sliders from moving on the frame. I'm not sure that they would, but I drilled them anyway.
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by Adam_C » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:06 pm
MikeKey wrote:The RED rails aren't much cheaper than the WK. And they aren't going to keep you away from something. Recently in northern Idaho while in the woods I cut a corner that otherwise my entire rear passenger door would of caught a tree, but instead the WK sliders caught the tree and pushed the truck out of the way. The kick out in the rear did exactly what it's suppose to do.
I see what you're saying, which is why I added the tube option. Well that, and I wanted something to step on. They stick out about as far as the WKs on my friend's 2016....at least by my aging eyes measurement
No doubt in my mind these wouldn't act as a pivot. But yes, not much cheaper than the WKs. I have nothing but love for the WKs, but I'm pretty confident these will hold up to the same punishment.
You decide on something yet scoutermike?
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by MOPARManiac » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:36 pm
Will wrote:MOPARManiac wrote:Low_Sky wrote:Of all the body-mount sliders I've seen, Randy Ellis looks to have the best one. I would be concerned about drilling that many holes in the rockers with a design that looks like it would trap water and road salt/grime against all those holes. I think they'd be fine in the Southwest, but I'd be worried about my rockers turning to cheese in Alaska or any other place that gets real winter weather. On a completely subjective note, I don't like his sex-appeal marketing strategy. His home page has a scrolling banner showcasing models with bad double entendres about "bolt-ons" and "headlights". What do boobs have to do with rock sliders?
Agreed, that design would cause rust in a hurry.
White Knuckle sliders are the only option.
Do you drill holes in the frame for the WK or use existing holes? I understand what yall are saying, I would prep and seal the holes in the pinch weld before mounted anything. I could see any kind of surface damage causing a problem around salt. Prevent it before it's a problem.
The ones designed for 2010 up until they changed do not use any holes. They sandwich the frame with the mounts/bolts going above and below the frame.
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by usmc369 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:41 pm
2014's up utilize one hole on each side, rest are clamped. (WK)
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by adeluca73 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:34 am
It's an issue of strength. Drilling serial holes longitudinally along sheet metal (regardless if it's the thicker pinch weld area), mounting heavy steel beams, and then exerting vertical forces (upward normal force of rocks vs the W=mg force of the truck) creates a stress fatigue concentration problem. Von Meiss stresses in the area of the fillets increase dramatically, leading to surface failures, which propagate through the material as cracks or possibly from deformation yielding. All of this is exacerbated by salt/water leeching between the dissimilar materials fomenting an environment for galvanic corrosion to stage a material insider attack. They might work fine for dry desert climates w/moderate use, a good option if you don't mind drilling a bunch of holes & if they were really cheap in comparison to WK.
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by Mr.Smith » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:38 pm
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by jseal5757 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:02 pm
i have a set of raf raf sliders and they are awesome. I'm very happy with them and they were half the price of wk because I'm in canada and he's close to me so no shipping or anything. And they are strong, i will be testing them next spring in moab. I'm very excited to see how they do.
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by scoutermike » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:31 pm
Do you have a link to contact Raf Raf? I am also in Canada. The deep south.....
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by jseal5757 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:34 pm
just on fb i have it. he is located in calagry alberta.
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by Redman1973 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:06 am
Look at my photobucket link below. It gives you an idea of what I can do... I am heading back to Jacksonville NC in about 6 months. If anyone wants bumpers or rock rails just hit me up. My price is that you drive down to me, buy the medal which cost me roughly around $350 for the medal and another $50 to rent the welding shop and all the tools... build... And after the build we run to Uharrie and hit the trails (optional). I was able to build both front and rear bumpers with the medal I bought. I took me two weekends to build everything.
Rock rails would only take one day to make... Then another day to install.
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by scoutermike » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:43 pm
Anyone have a link to Raf Raf from Canada?
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by jseal5757 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:16 am
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by scoutermike » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:36 pm
Thank you very much.
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by bdk » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:52 pm
I need a set of steps for my truck and I'm looking at getting a set of white knuckles. I don't really wheel my truck right now but I like the idea of having the extra protection from side impacts and in the future I plan to build my truck into an overland style rig. Right now I really just need to make it easier for my wife and kids to climb into the truck as it is our primary family vehicle. My question is how well do the WK function as steps? They don't appear to sit low enough to help much as they were primarily designed for protection not convenience.