Long Tube Headers

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Long Tube Headers

Post by Dodger » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:32 am

My question is: Has anyone actually installed long tube headers on a 2005 Power Wagon? Any long tubes I find specifically state 2006-2010. I've searched through threads with "headers" in them and found no definitive answer.

Here's hoping someone can speak to this from experience!

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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by flattire » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:00 pm

From what I can remember these would be some custom job , not very easy to fit, and expensive. Just not worth the money.

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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by cruz » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:52 pm

Dodger wrote:My question is: Has anyone actually installed long tube headers on a 2005 Power Wagon? Any long tubes I find specifically state 2006-2010. I've searched through threads with "headers" in them and found no definitive answer.

Here's hoping someone can speak to this from experience!
TTI on a 2006 PW...

http://forum.powerwagonregistry.org/vie ... ers#p12302

For a definitive answer, I'd call TTI directly and ask if they will fit a 2005, and if not , why not ?

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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by Dodger » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:36 pm

cruz wrote:
Dodger wrote:My question is: Has anyone actually installed long tube headers on a 2005 Power Wagon? Any long tubes I find specifically state 2006-2010. I've searched through threads with "headers" in them and found no definitive answer.

Here's hoping someone can speak to this from experience!
TTI on a 2006 PW...

http://forum.powerwagonregistry.org/vie ... ers#p12302

For a definitive answer, I'd call TTI directly and ask if they will fit a 2005, and if not , why not ?

http://ttiexhaust.com/
Yeah I already called them and they said no, but the guy spoke to me like I was bothering him and I felt like he couldn't wait to get rid of me. That made me wonder if someone had actually done it and therefore it was known to be doable even if it involved a wee bit of modification. I guess 2005s are stuck with OEM or shorties, but from what I've read shorties don't offer much improvement if any over the OEM cast irons.

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Post by RustyPW » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:04 pm

What I've read. The TTI headers need the right side motor mount trimmed about a 1/4" or so back for clearance.
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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by cruz » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:08 pm

That they won't fit an '05 makes no sense to me. As far as I know, other than cosmetics, there is no difference between an '05 and an '06.
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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by Dodger » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:12 am

cruz wrote:That they won't fit an '05 makes no sense to me. As far as I know, other than cosmetics, there is no difference between an '05 and an '06.
It doesn't make sense to me either but that is what they said. Is anyone aware of any differences, other than exterior cosmetics, between a 2005 and a 2006? Frame differences, location of whatever could get in the way? Something that maybe just makes it so much work as to be impractical for most situations e.g. you need to remove the engine.

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Post by Pit Slave » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:46 pm

Catalytic converters are in a different location on the newer models.

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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by cruz » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:37 pm

Pit Slave wrote:Catalytic converters are in a different location on the newer models.
Chris, here's a pic from the 2002-2008 FSM, my '05 looks just like the pic. What changed ? I guess I'll try calling TTI and see if someone can explain to me why they don't fit a 2005, hopefully I won't get the same guy that Dodger talked to.
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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by Dodger » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:38 pm

Pit Slave wrote:Catalytic converters are in a different location on the newer models.

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Hmm. If that's the only difference it sounds like it would be a simple matter to relocate or delete the catalytic converters.

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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by Dodger » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:46 pm

cruz wrote:
Pit Slave wrote:Catalytic converters are in a different location on the newer models.
Chris, here's a pic from the 2002-2008 FSM, my '05 looks just like the pic. What changed ? I guess I'll try calling TTI and see if someone can explain to me why they don't fit a 2005, hopefully I won't get the same guy that Dodger talked to.
I've stopped by the TTI and ARH dealers in town and asked them. They don't know why but said they would find out and let me know. I asked them to please find out if it is just some kind of modification that needs done or what. The ARH guy also deals in other header too as far as I know and said he would try to find out if one of them will fit the '05 PW. I will post here if I find out anything useful.

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Post by Dodger » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:03 pm

Just an update to say that I never did receive a response from the local dealers. No matter, I have been in contact with Steve from ARH and he said the headers for the 2500 will fit no problem. I have ordered a set and will let you know how that turns out.

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Post by Dodger » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:39 pm

The ARH headers are currently installed on a 2005 Power Wagon. The guy said he had to slightly raise the engine on the right side to get better frame clearance. The left side was apparently no issue at all.

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Post by Burud » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:53 am

Dodger. Thanx alot fore posting this.

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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by cruz » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:08 am

Dodger, how 'bout some more details on your choice of system including the cost of installation, and some pics.
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Post by Dodger » Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:24 pm

cruz wrote:Dodger, how 'bout some more details on your choice of system including the cost of installation, and some pics.
The system is the American Racing Headers with cats for a Dodge 2500. They assured me it would fit a 2005 PW and it did. With respect to the cost, it was done as part of having my engine swapped to a 6.1 so I will have to see if the costs are broken out separately. Pictures I may be able to do (once I get the truck back) although I may need assistance since I've never posted a pic on here before.

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Post by 05PWrockcrawler » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:04 pm

Pics I must see!


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Re: Long Tube Headers

Post by Dodger » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:51 pm

I still haven't got my truck back yet. I had a new engine installed as well and there have been issues. I've learned things like "you can put the wrong head on the wrong bank of a Hemi (it wasn't me, so I don't get the blame for that one). Now the engine sounds like a diesel and there were suggestions that it was pushrod length. I'm thinking it is something else. I went over the parts list on the invoice from the shop that swapped the heads around and noted that they used Mopar OEM head gaskets for a 5.7 Hemi despite the engine being a 6.1. The heads are ported 5.7s. I think the gasket bore is 3.94" and is intruding into the 6.1 bore (4.055") and the pistons are hitting the head gasket and that is the cause of the racket. I will try to share pics if/when I ever get the thing back!

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