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Driveshaft contacted skid plate

Post by dodgeman324 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:26 pm

Hey yall, after getting my Thuren parts on up front, but not doing anything to rear yet (which means it's still lifted with 4+ inch lift blocks YUCK), I took my truck offroading today and when I found a spot that would make for a good flex picture, I backed up to it diagonally to pose, I heard a metal grinding sound and knew the driveshaft was touching something, I figured a rock initially. I pulled back forward again immediately and didn't do the pose, but later got out and looked under and saw the metal scraped off with a few dents, and shaved metal on the fuel tank skid plate, which of course indicates the driveshaft contacted the skid plate. How in the heck does this happen on our Powerwagons? And, how should I fix it? Should I shave some of the skid plate where it made contact, or is it something else further towards the rear that needs addressing. Perhaps something isn't holding the rear axle in perfect alignment left and right during flex? Are my leafs going bad and flexing sideways? Any suggestions are appreciated.
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Re: Driveshaft contacted skid plate

Post by Pit Slave » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:29 pm

Your lift blocks are deflecting from side to side. The cure is full leaves.

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Post by dodgeman324 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:48 pm

Ok, thanks Pit Slave. Would losing the lift blocks and instead using drop shackles solve this, because it is in the works anyways? I have Thurens drop shackles in the garage, just haven't put them on yet.
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Re: Driveshaft contacted skid plate

Post by Pit Slave » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:20 pm

The more block height you can remove, the less it will deflect. So, if you put the shackles on, you should be able to remove some or all of the blocks. Ultimately, having no blocks will be the best way control and limit most of the side to side flex and deflection.

In short the answer is yes, it will help.

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Re: Driveshaft contacted skid plate

Post by TwinStick » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:57 am

Some have had to modify their skid plate to totally fix it.
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Re: Driveshaft contacted skid plate

Post by Mr.Smith » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:30 am

3" Carli front coils/full rear springs & Thuren shackles... I still have driveline contact. Oh well, one day I'll run Tom Woods driveshafts...

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Post by azracer » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:54 am

Mr.Smith wrote:3" Carli front coils/full rear springs & Thuren shackles... I still have driveline contact. Oh well, one day I'll run Tom Woods driveshafts...
This is the only real fix I can see. As it is now I try to limit flex and droop until I can really fix this issue with a smaller diameter steel Tom Wood drive shaft. I may go with a SYE kit too, but I'm not sure yet. For the record my drive shaft hits the skid plate cross brace at full droop too. I was amazed that this was the case but it is a real issue for those of us who have enhanced our suspension travel and flex.



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Re: Driveshaft contacted skid plate

Post by bstefanic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:44 am

That's the fix I ended up going with in addition to grinding off a corner of the skid plate. At full droop the Tom Woods shaft hits the cross member for the transfer case gaurd but doesn't really do any damage aside from scrapping some paint off

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Re: Driveshaft contacted skid plate

Post by dodgeman324 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:17 am

So this Tom Woods Driveshaft, its diameter is smaller but it is still just as strong or better than our OEM one? My long-term goal with my truck is to get a better RTI than stock, without going to a long-arm kit (if possible). I love the looks of our PW's at full flex, and the more distance between tire and fender the sexier it is to me. LOL. I know the rear can't flex as much as the front but overall I just want the most capable full-size truck in my area here in NE Oklahoma. I could easily out crawl a lot of other wheelers here, but with my driveshaft contact I feel limited because I worry about breaking down while wheeling, and I know any of us don't like to be laughed at when getting stuck or breaking down on the trails. My previous PW was a 2007 in Colorado and I impressed many many Jeeps and 4runners, and the sad Ford truck guys who tried to hang, with the capability of our PW's. That 07 didn't have any suspension mods and it rode so well and never got stuck, so after buying this 05 with a non-PW specific Superlift kit on it, I quickly started to hate lift kits in general. Now, as I slowly remove the Superlift parts and get Thurens on, I'm liking it more. Once Bilstein gets my shocks to me, I feel I will be totally in love with my current PW and can then truly wheel it to the extreme and improve the RTI as I go. Regardless of how I am feeling now with my truck, I promise you, I'm never losing a Powerwagon in my stock of owned vehicles. If the right price comes to sell my current one, I'll sell and get me a 4th Gen with the 6.4L. Still wish they'd go ahead and allow the Cummins in our PW's, even if that wouldn't be efficient for my daily use, I know many people who would get their use out of a diesel PW, both for trail and towing. Anyways, I'm getting wayyy off topic, should've skipped that extra Coca-Cola this morning for breakfast. :)
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Re: Driveshaft contacted skid plate

Post by bstefanic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:35 am

Yea Tom Woods are smaller diameter, they're steel vice aluminum. ..so for the same strength they don't have to be as large. Additionally all of the u joints are greasable so as long as you keep up with the maintenance they technically should last longer

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Post by bstefanic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:37 am

And if you're worried about snapping a rear drive shaft a SYE conversion really is the best route. I did one and it was fairly straight forward while offering a lot of piece of mind

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Post by dodgeman324 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:40 am

SYE conversion???
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Post by Throttle 8 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:02 pm

The G56 Wagons from '06 thru '08 came with steel driveshafts rather than aluminum. Some of the big brain types on this forum might be able to chime in on whether they are the same length and would be a direct drop in right from the dealer. Just a thought for discussion. :idea:
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Post by azracer » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:12 pm

SYE kits
http://www.customdriveshafts.com/

With that kind of damage done to that aluminum drive shaft, I would be very careful as they are paper thin and yours could fail at any time now.

When it fails it will take out the transfer case, gas tank, skid plating, bed, exhaust and possibly the axle or at a minimum the yoke if it fails at any kind of speed. I have even heard of it flipping the vehicle over if the drive shaft digs into the ground just right. One romp on the throttle or hard hit over a RR track is all it could take to make it fail at this point.



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Post by nts007 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:51 pm

Throttle 8 wrote:The G56 Wagons from '06 thru '08 came with steel driveshafts rather than aluminum. Some of the big brain types on this forum might be able to chime in on whether they are the same length and would be a direct drop in right from the dealer. Just a thought for discussion. :idea:
I got a new rear driveshaft from the dealership using an 09 pe vin that did have an aluminium shaft. The new shaft came as a steel one. Apparently any replacement shaft you order will only be steel. It is the correct length for the pw. It is also smaller diameter and a ton heavier
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Post by dodgeman324 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:00 pm

Yeah thanks for that azracer, now I will only worry about that happening every time I'm driving to and from work until I can afford a new driveshaft. :P I will look into this SYE and also that 09 shaft from dealership. Looking for the most compatible with least amount of modifications or extra parts to mount the shaft. My u-joints still look and feel good so don't feel the need to replace those at this point. Thanks for all the help so far.
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2011 Dodge Journey Mainstreet, Red, Sirius, Push button start, Pentastar.
2007 Dodge Powerwagon, 35inch Nitto's, AEM ColdAir, Flowmaster 40 (Oh I will miss you sooooooo much and I will buy you again when times are right)
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee, QuadraDrive II, 2 inch lift, 31inch offroad tires. (Will also miss you too, I'll miss all the times a guy in a Wrangler says "You can't do this in THAT!" and then I do it without problems)
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Post by whitey » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:18 pm

I trimmed my gas tank skid plate and shimmed down the crossmember 1/4". I have BDS 4" springs w/Thuren shackles in back. Oh and my 06 had an aluminum shaft originally. I'll never claim to know who got aluminum or steel.

My opinion is trim that skid plate asap. And as always I get my truck on the RTI ramp on all 4 corners after a suspension change. It's a hell of a lot easier fixing a mod at the shop than it is on the trail. good luck with it.

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Post by Throttle 8 » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:22 am

whitey wrote:I trimmed my gas tank skid plate and shimmed down the crossmember 1/4". I have BDS 4" springs w/Thuren shackles in back. Oh and my 06 had an aluminum shaft originally. I'll never claim to know who got aluminum or steel.

My opinion is trim that skid plate asap. And as always I get my truck on the RTI ramp on all 4 corners after a suspension change. It's a hell of a lot easier fixing a mod at the shop than it is on the trail. good luck with it.
The automatics got aluminum and the G56 manuals got steel to better deal with the increased driveline stress. Or at least that is what I remember reading on here (or the other site) a few years back.
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