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Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:52 pm
by redneck1
Sure would like to get mine by passed ,thinking of taking mine in user factory bumper to bumper warranty because my fromt takes a hour to get it to lock in lol

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:37 am
by FirerescuePW
Sorry to say, but this is what happened the last time Shelby took over a locker bypass project. The original bypass, by rgory, was handed over to him because rgory no longer had the time to produce them. It turned into what you are seeing now. I had to bug him for quite a while to get mine. I hope he is just waiting for parts.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:09 am
by Will
I'm sorry for you folks that can't get one, I'm sure glad I did and hate to rub it in but Both axles lock right then, not 15', not 10', no swerving, right then! No matter the speed, transfer case position, nothing. Turn the knob and its locked up like Fort Knox!

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:15 pm
by SnakeEyes
So does mine on my '15 since I hardwired them. I can hear the actuators locking it. Only downside is I domt get to use the OEM knob to do it.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:29 pm
by redneck1
I think it's time for a class action law suit on dodge and ram :rockon: :rockon:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:40 pm
by Snowsled
redneck1 wrote:I think it's time for a class action law suit on dodge and ram :rockon: :rockon:

I don't like lawyers getting fat off of those things... only costs consumers in the end.


Sure would love one of those plug n play kits though :cash:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:57 pm
by Jack187
It might not be dead yet. the last thing CajunPW (Shelby) said was he was ordering more parts. I've tried him with PMs and emails from 3 different forums, including this one.
No response from him at all. He doesn't show to have logged in on this forum in over a month.

I've also tried to contact Myoung84 (Morgan) in hopes of getting in contact with CajunPw through him, but he doesn't respond to email or PMs on the same three sites.
The PWR forum shows he is logging in regularly and is receiving my PMs, but no responses with him so far.

Looks like the only thing we can do is wait to see if Shelby shows back up.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:11 pm
by redneck1
Snowsled wrote:
redneck1 wrote:I think it's time for a class action law suit on dodge and ram :rockon: :rockon:

I don't like lawyers getting fat off of those things... only costs consumers in the end.


Sure would love one of those plug n play kits though :cash:
True, good point, I think it's going to be a rocker switch run to ground for me because even if he comes back there's prolly going to be a year wait list I'd say unless your already on it

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:55 pm
by MikeKey
Anyone have a diagram for hardwiring the lockers? My smart bar shit the bed.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:14 am
by Retired BLM Rig
The only diagrams I have are for the old 4 pin system. I read somewhere that they changed the axle connector on the 14+ trucks from 4 pin to 6 pin. I don't know if they changed the wire colors or not. If your truck is still 4 pin, let us know for future reference.

locker_plug_connector.jpeg
Hardwire Diagram 1.png
Source is HOT (12v+), Return is Ground (12v-).
If I can remember, I'll try to look up a 2015 diagram at work tomorrow.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:28 am
by MikeKey
Retired BLM Rig wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:14 am
The only diagrams I have are for the old 4 pin system. I read somewhere that they changed the axle connector on the 14+ trucks from 4 pin to 6 pin. I don't know if they changed the wire colors or not. If your truck is still 4 pin, let us know for future reference.


locker_plug_connector.jpeg

Hardwire Diagram 1.png

If I can remember, I'll try to look up a 2015 diagram at work tomorrow.
Well I did find these on the forum mentioned for a 2015...
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Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:52 am
by Adam_C
I may have my kit, still new in box from Cajun, for sale shortly. Pretty sure it was one of the last kits from a while back. I’ll post in classifieds if I decide to get rid of my truck. It was for a ‘13, so not sure if it works with the newer models???

Adam

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:06 pm
by Retired BLM Rig
MikeKey wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:28 am
Retired BLM Rig wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:14 am
The only diagrams I have are for the old 4 pin system. I read somewhere that they changed the axle connector on the 14+ trucks from 4 pin to 6 pin. I don't know if they changed the wire colors or not. If your truck is still 4 pin, let us know for future reference.


locker_plug_connector.jpeg

Hardwire Diagram 1.png

If I can remember, I'll try to look up a 2015 diagram at work tomorrow.
Well I did find these on the forum mentioned for a 2015...

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image-1.jpg
The pictures you found correspond to what I found as well. So the rear is a new 6 pin connector and the front is still the same 4 pin. The wire colors look like they still match. If you decide to hardwire, don't cut your harness, the connectors are available on Ebay. Here's the front four pin connector and here's the rear six pin connector.
If you got these blank connector plugs, you could make waterproof caps for your O.E. harness connectors and tie them up to the frame for safe keeping. You would also need this type of terminal crimper plier. You could even make a tee harness with diodes if you wanted to (right Reloaderguy?). The benefit that I see to hardwiring is that you're never at the mercy of a faulty SmartBar while you're out on the trail. The weakest link then becomes the actuator inside the diff. Also there's no restriction to transfer case range or speed limit.

Good luck with whatever route you decide to take (OE repair, hardwire or elusive bypass). :patriot:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:01 am
by PWJouster
i will pay someone $500 or more to fab me a Bypass wire harness..

all i want to do is have complete discretion on use of the smart bar and lockers.... why is this not easier on a 2018?

3 red safety Toggle switches on the panel under the Light selector dial to left of steering wheel
FRLOCKER
RRLOCKER
SWAYBAR

ON triggers the lockers or swaybar disconnect
OFF reverts to normal, even if i have to do a fancy engine off, blink three times while yelling POWERWAGON ritual to reverse the action.

i still dont understand why i have to become an automotive electrician to get this done...(i cant trust many techs to dig into the new truck, cant find anyone willing, and i dont have the time to investigate the setup myself)

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:11 am
by NickTF
Because this truck and the majority of most vehicles on the road built in the last 5 years or more are inundated with "save you from yourself" features indirectly designed by accountants and lawyers who know jack shit about how any of these features are used.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:48 am
by MikeKey
PWJouster wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:01 am
i will pay someone $500 or more to fab me a Bypass wire harness..

all i want to do is have complete discretion on use of the smart bar and lockers.... why is this not easier on a 2018?

3 red safety Toggle switches on the panel under the Light selector dial to left of steering wheel
FRLOCKER
RRLOCKER
SWAYBAR

ON triggers the lockers or swaybar disconnect
OFF reverts to normal, even if i have to do a fancy engine off, blink three times while yelling POWERWAGON ritual to reverse the action.

i still dont understand why i have to become an automotive electrician to get this done...(i cant trust many techs to dig into the new truck, cant find anyone willing, and i dont have the time to investigate the setup myself)

You'll be waiting a long time. Even the old bypass didn't work like that. You're talking about hardwire and bypass together. The problem with the bypass was that on the new trucks, it tricked the truck into thinking you were in 4Lo so that you could engage lockers whenever. But the newer trucks with the 6.4L Hemi have throttle mapping in 4Lo. Very nice, but you don't want that in 4Hi or 2Hi.

And so it's been in, endless development.
NickTF wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:11 am
Because this truck and the majority of most vehicles on the road built in the last 5 years or more are inundated with "save you from yourself" features indirectly designed by accountants and lawyers who know jack shit about how any of these features are used.

It's not really "save you from yourself features"; so much as the way the whole system was designed, to make sure one thing was happening before another thing happens.

For some reason, they figured you'd want the sway bar going over 18mph. Becuase no one does whoops in the desert. :roll:

For some goofy ass reason, the sway bar is the whole key to the system. That whole pinout for my broken plug seems to indicate there may actually be a printed logic board in there. I can't see any other reason for the smart bar to be receiving signals about what the lockers are doing.

Hardwiring the lockers though is probably a good option, since you can just turn them on whenever you want.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:00 am
by NickTF
MikeKey wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:48 am
PWJouster wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:01 am
i will pay someone $500 or more to fab me a Bypass wire harness..

all i want to do is have complete discretion on use of the smart bar and lockers.... why is this not easier on a 2018?

3 red safety Toggle switches on the panel under the Light selector dial to left of steering wheel
FRLOCKER
RRLOCKER
SWAYBAR

ON triggers the lockers or swaybar disconnect
OFF reverts to normal, even if i have to do a fancy engine off, blink three times while yelling POWERWAGON ritual to reverse the action.

i still dont understand why i have to become an automotive electrician to get this done...(i cant trust many techs to dig into the new truck, cant find anyone willing, and i dont have the time to investigate the setup myself)

You'll be waiting a long time. Even the old bypass didn't work like that. You're talking about hardwire and bypass together. The problem with the bypass was that on the new trucks, it tricked the truck into thinking you were in 4Lo so that you could engage lockers whenever. But the newer trucks with the 6.4L Hemi have throttle mapping in 4Lo. Very nice, but you don't want that in 4Hi or 2Hi.

And so it's been in, endless development.
NickTF wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:11 am
Because this truck and the majority of most vehicles on the road built in the last 5 years or more are inundated with "save you from yourself" features indirectly designed by accountants and lawyers who know jack shit about how any of these features are used.

It's not really "save you from yourself features"; so much as the way the whole system was designed, to make sure one thing was happening before another thing happens.

For some reason, they figured you'd want the sway bar going over 18mph. Becuase no one does whoops in the desert. :roll:

For some goofy ass reason, the sway bar is the whole key to the system. That whole pinout for my broken plug seems to indicate there may actually be a printed logic board in there. I can't see any other reason for the smart bar to be receiving signals about what the lockers are doing.

Hardwiring the lockers though is probably a good option, since you can just turn them on whenever you want.
Your example proves my point. Not being able to defeat throttle limiting without pulling a fuse for offroad is another. The lockers needing to be talked dirty to for engagement without a bypass is a third.......... I've beat this horse to death. When I say save you from yourself I will add that includes saving you from damaging the truck just as much as any real safety concern for the driver/occupants. With the 5 year 100k warranty my truck came with (and available life time warranties) there is no doubt a large factor of keeping knuckle heads from engaging the lockers going 15 plus mph while turning.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:38 am
by PWJouster
$1000 final offer

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:40 am
by Colibri
There is in fact a circuit board inside the smart bar. Oddly, AAM provides smart bars for some military vehicles now, I wonder if there are many differences from the civilian counterpart? With as much trouble as they cause us it seems like a recipe for disaster lol

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:00 am
by DamageWagon
NickTF wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:00 am
MikeKey wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:48 am
PWJouster wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:01 am
i will pay someone $500 or more to fab me a Bypass wire harness..

all i want to do is have complete discretion on use of the smart bar and lockers.... why is this not easier on a 2018?

3 red safety Toggle switches on the panel under the Light selector dial to left of steering wheel
FRLOCKER
RRLOCKER
SWAYBAR

ON triggers the lockers or swaybar disconnect
OFF reverts to normal, even if i have to do a fancy engine off, blink three times while yelling POWERWAGON ritual to reverse the action.

i still dont understand why i have to become an automotive electrician to get this done...(i cant trust many techs to dig into the new truck, cant find anyone willing, and i dont have the time to investigate the setup myself)

You'll be waiting a long time. Even the old bypass didn't work like that. You're talking about hardwire and bypass together. The problem with the bypass was that on the new trucks, it tricked the truck into thinking you were in 4Lo so that you could engage lockers whenever. But the newer trucks with the 6.4L Hemi have throttle mapping in 4Lo. Very nice, but you don't want that in 4Hi or 2Hi.

And so it's been in, endless development.
NickTF wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:11 am
Because this truck and the majority of most vehicles on the road built in the last 5 years or more are inundated with "save you from yourself" features indirectly designed by accountants and lawyers who know jack shit about how any of these features are used.

It's not really "save you from yourself features"; so much as the way the whole system was designed, to make sure one thing was happening before another thing happens.

For some reason, they figured you'd want the sway bar going over 18mph. Becuase no one does whoops in the desert. :roll:

For some goofy ass reason, the sway bar is the whole key to the system. That whole pinout for my broken plug seems to indicate there may actually be a printed logic board in there. I can't see any other reason for the smart bar to be receiving signals about what the lockers are doing.

Hardwiring the lockers though is probably a good option, since you can just turn them on whenever you want.
Your example proves my point. Not being able to defeat throttle limiting without pulling a fuse for offroad is another. The lockers needing to be talked dirty to for engagement without a bypass is a third.......... I've beat this horse to death. When I say save you from yourself I will add that includes saving you from damaging the truck just as much as any real safety concern for the driver/occupants. With the 5 year 100k warranty my truck came with (and available life time warranties) there is no doubt a large factor of keeping knuckle heads from engaging the lockers going 15 plus mph while turning.
It doesn’t limit the throttle in 4Lo, it changes how the throttle reacts to soften response to keep it from getting jerky and to help keep things from snapping. I like the 4Lo throttle mapping, which applies to every auto trans Power Wagon from 2005-present.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:04 am
by NickTF
i'm 99% sure i've been in 4lo trying to get tire spin only to have my throttle input limited. I'm aware of the throttle mapping change. I know for certain i've gotten feedback through my throttle pedal when in 4lo and turning in slick surfaces. Whatever it is, i'm not interested in it and have no ability to get rid of it without pulling the fuse to abs.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:31 am
by TwinStick
I have been in 4 Lo, fully locked up front & rear, 4th gear, 4-5000 rpm's, in snow, throwing snow 10' in the air with all 4 tires...........looked like a snowblower, :lol: . I was plowing through 3-4' of snow, going up a hill, after I pulled a Chevy 3/4 ton 4 door out of said snow. He was trying to get up the hill, with open diffs f & r, to get a big box of snowmobile trail signs, that he left there when he got called to a fire, before it snowed. But mine is a 3rd Gen, sooo....... . Mine lowers sensitivity but not rpm's. I think it is designed more for bouncing over off road obstacles like logs & rocks to avoid driveline damage. It still sucks IMO.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:32 pm
by Rodeoflyer
If Colibri wants to use my truck as a project truck I'll let him tear it limb from limb to hardwire my lockers. At this point f-the warranty. If it works he can take PWJousters final offer money, do his, and everybody will be happy :wink:

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:48 am
by PWJouster
seriously....$1000 paypal, if you can wire and fab a harness that i can clip into, or onto, the locker wiring, to a relay, switched in the cab, while bypassing the OEM knob, and leaving it still functioning but unnecessary. does that make sense?

@rodeoflyer i guess im paying for yours.

Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:14 am
by Reloaderguy
If you just want a plug and play bypass that uses its own switches it would be easy. All you need are OE connectors, SPST switches, marine relays, rectifier diodes, wire, and ring terminals. Make a T-harness that goes between the factory harness and the locker, put the diode upstream of the relayed power source on the OE harness side of the new T-harness. You'll probably get a fault code for the 4wd system when in use because the sensors will tell the computer the lockers are engaged without the smartbar. Pretty easy system though. The real challenge is making the lockers work with the rotary knob not their own switches.