Re: Hardwired Lockers with OEM Knob
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:52 pm
Sure would like to get mine by passed ,thinking of taking mine in user factory bumper to bumper warranty because my fromt takes a hour to get it to lock in lol
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redneck1 wrote:I think it's time for a class action law suit on dodge and ram
True, good point, I think it's going to be a rocker switch run to ground for me because even if he comes back there's prolly going to be a year wait list I'd say unless your already on itSnowsled wrote:redneck1 wrote:I think it's time for a class action law suit on dodge and ram
I don't like lawyers getting fat off of those things... only costs consumers in the end.
Sure would love one of those plug n play kits though
Well I did find these on the forum mentioned for a 2015...Retired BLM Rig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:14 amThe only diagrams I have are for the old 4 pin system. I read somewhere that they changed the axle connector on the 14+ trucks from 4 pin to 6 pin. I don't know if they changed the wire colors or not. If your truck is still 4 pin, let us know for future reference.
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Hardwire Diagram 1.png
If I can remember, I'll try to look up a 2015 diagram at work tomorrow.
The pictures you found correspond to what I found as well. So the rear is a new 6 pin connector and the front is still the same 4 pin. The wire colors look like they still match. If you decide to hardwire, don't cut your harness, the connectors are available on Ebay. Here's the front four pin connector and here's the rear six pin connector.MikeKey wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:28 amWell I did find these on the forum mentioned for a 2015...Retired BLM Rig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:14 amThe only diagrams I have are for the old 4 pin system. I read somewhere that they changed the axle connector on the 14+ trucks from 4 pin to 6 pin. I don't know if they changed the wire colors or not. If your truck is still 4 pin, let us know for future reference.
locker_plug_connector.jpeg
Hardwire Diagram 1.png
If I can remember, I'll try to look up a 2015 diagram at work tomorrow.
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PWJouster wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:01 ami will pay someone $500 or more to fab me a Bypass wire harness..
all i want to do is have complete discretion on use of the smart bar and lockers.... why is this not easier on a 2018?
3 red safety Toggle switches on the panel under the Light selector dial to left of steering wheel
FRLOCKER
RRLOCKER
SWAYBAR
ON triggers the lockers or swaybar disconnect
OFF reverts to normal, even if i have to do a fancy engine off, blink three times while yelling POWERWAGON ritual to reverse the action.
i still dont understand why i have to become an automotive electrician to get this done...(i cant trust many techs to dig into the new truck, cant find anyone willing, and i dont have the time to investigate the setup myself)
NickTF wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:11 amBecause this truck and the majority of most vehicles on the road built in the last 5 years or more are inundated with "save you from yourself" features indirectly designed by accountants and lawyers who know jack shit about how any of these features are used.
Your example proves my point. Not being able to defeat throttle limiting without pulling a fuse for offroad is another. The lockers needing to be talked dirty to for engagement without a bypass is a third.......... I've beat this horse to death. When I say save you from yourself I will add that includes saving you from damaging the truck just as much as any real safety concern for the driver/occupants. With the 5 year 100k warranty my truck came with (and available life time warranties) there is no doubt a large factor of keeping knuckle heads from engaging the lockers going 15 plus mph while turning.MikeKey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:48 amPWJouster wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:01 ami will pay someone $500 or more to fab me a Bypass wire harness..
all i want to do is have complete discretion on use of the smart bar and lockers.... why is this not easier on a 2018?
3 red safety Toggle switches on the panel under the Light selector dial to left of steering wheel
FRLOCKER
RRLOCKER
SWAYBAR
ON triggers the lockers or swaybar disconnect
OFF reverts to normal, even if i have to do a fancy engine off, blink three times while yelling POWERWAGON ritual to reverse the action.
i still dont understand why i have to become an automotive electrician to get this done...(i cant trust many techs to dig into the new truck, cant find anyone willing, and i dont have the time to investigate the setup myself)
You'll be waiting a long time. Even the old bypass didn't work like that. You're talking about hardwire and bypass together. The problem with the bypass was that on the new trucks, it tricked the truck into thinking you were in 4Lo so that you could engage lockers whenever. But the newer trucks with the 6.4L Hemi have throttle mapping in 4Lo. Very nice, but you don't want that in 4Hi or 2Hi.
And so it's been in, endless development.
NickTF wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:11 amBecause this truck and the majority of most vehicles on the road built in the last 5 years or more are inundated with "save you from yourself" features indirectly designed by accountants and lawyers who know jack shit about how any of these features are used.
It's not really "save you from yourself features"; so much as the way the whole system was designed, to make sure one thing was happening before another thing happens.
For some reason, they figured you'd want the sway bar going over 18mph. Becuase no one does whoops in the desert.
For some goofy ass reason, the sway bar is the whole key to the system. That whole pinout for my broken plug seems to indicate there may actually be a printed logic board in there. I can't see any other reason for the smart bar to be receiving signals about what the lockers are doing.
Hardwiring the lockers though is probably a good option, since you can just turn them on whenever you want.
It doesn’t limit the throttle in 4Lo, it changes how the throttle reacts to soften response to keep it from getting jerky and to help keep things from snapping. I like the 4Lo throttle mapping, which applies to every auto trans Power Wagon from 2005-present.NickTF wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:00 amYour example proves my point. Not being able to defeat throttle limiting without pulling a fuse for offroad is another. The lockers needing to be talked dirty to for engagement without a bypass is a third.......... I've beat this horse to death. When I say save you from yourself I will add that includes saving you from damaging the truck just as much as any real safety concern for the driver/occupants. With the 5 year 100k warranty my truck came with (and available life time warranties) there is no doubt a large factor of keeping knuckle heads from engaging the lockers going 15 plus mph while turning.MikeKey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:48 amPWJouster wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:01 ami will pay someone $500 or more to fab me a Bypass wire harness..
all i want to do is have complete discretion on use of the smart bar and lockers.... why is this not easier on a 2018?
3 red safety Toggle switches on the panel under the Light selector dial to left of steering wheel
FRLOCKER
RRLOCKER
SWAYBAR
ON triggers the lockers or swaybar disconnect
OFF reverts to normal, even if i have to do a fancy engine off, blink three times while yelling POWERWAGON ritual to reverse the action.
i still dont understand why i have to become an automotive electrician to get this done...(i cant trust many techs to dig into the new truck, cant find anyone willing, and i dont have the time to investigate the setup myself)
You'll be waiting a long time. Even the old bypass didn't work like that. You're talking about hardwire and bypass together. The problem with the bypass was that on the new trucks, it tricked the truck into thinking you were in 4Lo so that you could engage lockers whenever. But the newer trucks with the 6.4L Hemi have throttle mapping in 4Lo. Very nice, but you don't want that in 4Hi or 2Hi.
And so it's been in, endless development.
NickTF wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:11 amBecause this truck and the majority of most vehicles on the road built in the last 5 years or more are inundated with "save you from yourself" features indirectly designed by accountants and lawyers who know jack shit about how any of these features are used.
It's not really "save you from yourself features"; so much as the way the whole system was designed, to make sure one thing was happening before another thing happens.
For some reason, they figured you'd want the sway bar going over 18mph. Becuase no one does whoops in the desert.
For some goofy ass reason, the sway bar is the whole key to the system. That whole pinout for my broken plug seems to indicate there may actually be a printed logic board in there. I can't see any other reason for the smart bar to be receiving signals about what the lockers are doing.
Hardwiring the lockers though is probably a good option, since you can just turn them on whenever you want.