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Towing Capacity

Post by MOPARManiac » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:39 am

Will a Power Wagon handle a toy hauler (bumper pull) with a gross dry weight of 8300 lbs? GVWR of the camper is 12,000 lbs and dry hitch weight is 1500 lbs. I would do airbags, but I'm still wondering if it will be to much when loaded with a side X side, gear, etc.? It doesn't take to much to get up to 10,300 lbs that the Power Wagon is rated for.
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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by BoldAdventure » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:29 am

I think it will do just fine. There are guys on the FB group pulling enclosed trailers, horse trailers and farm equipment around all the time closer to 15k.

We tow regularly but are closer to your dry weight fully loaded without any problems. You've got the 5.7 so you might be a little low on power up steep grades, but the 4.56 rear end will make up for that. The thing I've heard about the 5.7 is watching the trans temp. Maybe put a bigger cooler on it.

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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by aheiser » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:18 pm

Have a buddy that towed ~10-11k loaded bumper pull a couple times around here with a '11 PW and ultimately (and sadly as he loved it) chose to trade up to a diesel. He said the stability with weight distribution, etc wasn't bad but the 5.7 was just enough to keep it moving, of course rev'd like heck, and only moving at 35-40mph on the mountain passes. Seems like on flatter ground and lower altitudes a couple times a year it would be doable. But at high altitude, your truck would take a serious flogging.
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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by MOPARManiac » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:35 pm

Yeah, being in Wyoming the majority of my towing will be at over 6000 feet in elevation. I'm thinking I want to keep the GVWR at under 10,000 lbs. and the dry weight of the camper under 7000 lbs.
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Post by olyelr » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:48 pm

Yea. The dry weight of our travel trailer is 7000 pounds. Even at that, if I was towing it around a lot more than I do then I would be looking into a diesel. The hemi works, but it almost gets annoying with all the revving and gear changing just on the slightest of grades.
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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by ghaugo » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:05 am

I had a smaller trailer and moved to one with a GVWR of 7,600lbs this year. It is a Coachman Freedom Express. I live in Colorado and we tow it around everywhere. I made a trip out to Leadville with full water, kids, dogs, and full load etc. I use an Andersen weight distribution hitch. To give you some info to compare, weights were as follows:

Steer Axle: 4,140lbs
Drive Axle: 4,880lbs
Trailer Axle: 5,940lbs
Gross Weight: 14,960lbs

My truck empty (with me, ARE topper, full gas tank, and rock rails)

Steer Axle: 4,240lbs
Drive Axle: 3,180lbs
Gross Weight: 7,420lbs

The overall experience with the truck has been very positive. It pulls well, but as olyelr says it will be doing some revving and gear changing especially here in the big mountains. Going up the Ike Gauntlet from Silverthorne to the Eisenhower tunnel I pulled it back going 55-60 the whole way up, but she was screamin' the whole time. The oil temps jumped up on the way up, but I run Amsoil Signature Series 5w30 for that reason.

On the way across I-80 from Laramie to Rock Springs, I towed the trailer in 96 degree heat, and it did a great job as well. It will downshift going up the hills and the motor runs at a pretty high rpm. That being said, I don't usually tow over 65mph with this setup. When I keep it under 65 it is happiest. Past that and it really works to pull that speed. The truck itself handles the weight of this camper very well. It feels stable and very much under control. I don't run airbags, and it sits within a quarter inch of level with this setup. I think a trailer the size you are asking about would be too much for out here. I think it would do it, but it would be struggling unless you make some other upgrades. I currently run 33 inch tires as well, so I should have the best set up for towing on a PW.

It is not a diesel, so towing with this setup will always make the gas engines rev high and downshift especially in the high country. Towing out here is a different animal, so I feel like my setup is about as big as I would go. I looked at other trailer that were heavier, but I am glad I did not go any heavier with this setup.
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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by Mule007 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:27 am

X2 - what ghaugo says (Springdale GVWR 7,200 #; long trips +/- 4,000 - 5000 m & +/- 3 - 5 week trips) Oregon to Texas via various routes. Would not want a heavier set up either but enjoyable w ours! Enjoy👍
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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by TankerZak » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:28 pm

I think around 7k dry weight is about as big as I'd go. My trailer is 7k dry and 8500lb loaded and 9k GVWR. That puts me under all numbers except payload. So tires, axles, tow rating, and GCWR are all just under.

I added airbags and other stuff to account for payload. Honestly driving around town I'm 30 lbs over payload after all the mods and recovery gear in the ramboxes etc.

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Post by Mule » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:21 pm

Yes, it'll do it.

Take it slow and watch temps on the long uphill pulls, but it'll get the job done.
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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by MOPARManiac » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:58 pm

Thanks for all the replies. We ended up signing papers for a toy hauler yesterday. Dry weight is 6373 lbs and GVWR is 9985 lbs. I was wanting to keep it under 10,000 so this should work. My SXS is around 1800 lbs so I should have around another 1800 lbs to get up to max (I better never get to max). It's coming with distribution/sway control hitch. I'll probably be over on payload as well and may have to do some airbags. We'll see the first time it's loaded I guess.
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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by olyelr » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:09 pm

If you have weight distribution and are not leveled you should be just fine.
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Post by TankerZak » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:36 pm

That should work well. You'll be near the top of what the PW can do for distance and it'll whine some up hills. I chased this and that for a long time to get it fully 100% stable. Airlift airbags and daystar cradles will serve you well. Make sure you dial in the WD hitch. Have them give you two sway control bars (if they give you the eaz-lift hitch). If you want further info just let us know. It took a while but the PW can tow. Mine tows that load just like my 11 Duramax did it just took longer to get it all figured out.

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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by Ramajama » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:51 pm

MOPARManiac wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:58 pm
Thanks for all the replies. We ended up signing papers for a toy hauler yesterday. Dry weight is 6373 lbs and GVWR is 9985 lbs. I was wanting to keep it under 10,000 so this should work. My SXS is around 1800 lbs so I should have around another 1800 lbs to get up to max (I better never get to max). It's coming with distribution/sway control hitch. I'll probably be over on payload as well and may have to do some airbags. We'll see the first time it's loaded I guess.
Heck, I got bags in Daystar cradles even for our tiny trailer. I hate, hate, HATE rear end squat.
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Post by MOPARManiac » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:24 pm

See how it does on our first trip when loaded, but I couldn't even tell the trailer was behind me towing it home. Crazy how easy it towed.
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Post by Ramajama » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:41 pm

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Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:24 pm
See how it does on our first trip when loaded, but I couldn't even tell the trailer was behind me towing it home. Crazy how easy it towed.
That’s great to hear. I wouldn’t doubt it. My little trailer doesn’t even effect MPG on my truck. But it’s a little hard side pop up doesn’t hurt because it has hardly no wind drag. We are going to upgrade the trailer next year. The one we want will be about 5k lbs dry. The Wagon will easily handle it. But we do throw 3 dirt bikes in the bed while trailer is in tow on occasion. Payload max gets flirted with. Another reason why I got bags right away. I’m covered.
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Re: Towing Capacity

Post by ghaugo » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:04 am

Have fun with it. I just switched to 35's and mine still pulls fine. It does lug a little more, but as long as you're not trying to set speed records, the truck will pull. Glad to hear you got a nice setup.
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