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Post by olyelr » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:43 pm

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olyelr wrote:For some reason, the so called lost threads were the ones that were not favorable to them.
You're just a hater.

No way jose, my aev puck lift is in the mail. And im using it with my pw coils cause I'm a REBEL.
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I'd ban you if I were them.
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Post by RAM4ROKS » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:08 pm

I think the AEV setup has its place. It's very good for a person who wants a warranteed lifted truck with big tires that'l do more than 99% of new truck buyers will have the stomach for offroad. I am very jealous of the ability to inexpensively (comparatively) push the front axle forward on the '14+ Wagons, I wish I could push mine forward on my '12. The AEV flares are a beautiful piece of work! The Procal (assuming it's like the one for the JK) is a great little gadget. Would I run AEV's suspension on my Wagon if I had a '14+??? Likely a mix of AEV and Carli like the DPP Howitzer simply because I'd want 40s.

I 100% agree with Whitey- 40s for use offroad require a LOT more supporting mods than the AEV Prospector XL comes with. I don't run 40s on my '12 yet for that very reason. To run my Wagon on 40s in the manner that I would run it were it on 40s, I would need a laundry list of mods to the tune of around $10k+. (RCVs, No Spins, Truss, 11.5 swap to allow regear to 5.13 (not needed on a '14+ since they already have an 11.5), Hydro assist (the one thing the Prospector XL actually does have), upgraded balljoints, upgraded steering gear, long arms (admittedly, a '14+ has the advantage there), etc)

I'll tell you what I would like to see: a 3" Wagon specific lift system (3" actual lift over a Wagon height!) with the focus being on maximum ground clearance and maximum flex with the shock tuning biased toward low speed crawling, long arms designed to withstand being dragged on rocks, bracketry designed to be smooth without snags to catch when dragging belly, a belly pan, and a 1-1.5" forward push for the front axle. This would be my ideal suspension setup! (of course, I'd want it for '13 and earlier (so, I'm just dreaming, LOL!))

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Post by Reloaderguy » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:19 am

I was under the impression AEV used the OE isolators/joints.

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Post by jpbrazill » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:39 am

RAM4ROKS wrote:I think the AEV setup has its place. It's very good for a person who wants a warranteed lifted truck with big tires that'l do more than 99% of new truck buyers will have the stomach for offroad. I am very jealous of the ability to inexpensively (comparatively) push the front axle forward on the '14+ Wagons, I wish I could push mine forward on my '12. The AEV flares are a beautiful piece of work! The Procal (assuming it's like the one for the JK) is a great little gadget. Would I run AEV's suspension on my Wagon if I had a '14+??? Likely a mix of AEV and Carli like the DPP Howitzer simply because I'd want 40s.

I 100% agree with Whitey- 40s for use offroad require a LOT more supporting mods than the AEV Prospector XL comes with. I don't run 40s on my '12 yet for that very reason. To run my Wagon on 40s in the manner that I would run it were it on 40s, I would need a laundry list of mods to the tune of around $10k+. (RCVs, No Spins, Truss, 11.5 swap to allow regear to 5.13 (not needed on a '14+ since they already have an 11.5), Hydro assist (the one thing the Prospector XL actually does have), upgraded balljoints, upgraded steering gear, long arms (admittedly, a '14+ has the advantage there), etc)

I'll tell you what I would like to see: a 3" Wagon specific lift system (3" actual lift over a Wagon height!) with the focus being on maximum ground clearance and maximum flex with the shock tuning biased toward low speed crawling, long arms designed to withstand being dragged on rocks, bracketry designed to be smooth without snags to catch when dragging belly, a belly pan, and a 1-1.5" forward push for the front axle. This would be my ideal suspension setup! (of course, I'd want it for '13 and earlier (so, I'm just dreaming, LOL!))
I couldn't agree more. This would be my ideal setup as well....except I would want it for a 14+ configuration. Give me stock feel with 3" taller ride height and external res. shocks.

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Re: Why has AEV turned to such shit?

Post by DamageWagon » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:12 am

All of that is achievable. It requires coilovers. Chop off all factory suspension, including coil buckets and Trackbar mount, and fab up shock hoops and a new Trackbar mount with longer arms. Pretty sure you need to stick with a Trackbar setup, there's not enough room underneath to do a triangulated 4-link without losing a lot of uptravel.

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Post by MikeKey » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:31 pm

Interesting discussion about the lifts here:https://forum.aev-conversions.com/forum ... ith-3-lift

Backed up in case AEV nukes thread here:
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Post by 04Ram2500Hemi » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:01 pm

AEV just announced a Chevy ZR2 Concept along with a few other Ram goodies. I'm surprised by the ZR2 setup. I thought they would stay committed to Ram and Jeep.
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Post by MikeKey » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:34 pm

So here it is, the RAM rear bumper. Looks very much like the Jeep bumper they've already been producing. I also noticed, this is on the Recruit, not a Prospector. It's on a 1500, which means they must be going all in on taping into other revenue streams. Good for business.
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I am not sure if this rack is going to be produced either, but if you look at it closely and then watch this promo for the ZR2, you'll notice they look similar in design.

The bumper design is alright overall. Like I said, looks a lot like their Jeep bumper. Wonder how long it will take them to bring it to market. The thing that I feel is worse about the design though, are those recovery points. Anyone who wheels, knows from experience the hitch drags. Those things, are going to scrape on EVERYTHING. I can't believe why they made the choice to do that, other than a lazy attempt to make it match the front AEV bumper. If that's the only objective, I'd say they failed.
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The rear bumper on the AEV Colorado concept, also looks similar to what they've done in the past.

This tells me that AEV is done innovating. They are sticking with what works and branching out to make more money off their nameplate. They make cool things. The Colorado looks great. But I expect a lot of repeating what works and looks good.

But anyone looking for real serious performance, especially in their lifts... Probably never going to happen. They'll probably start selling branded t-shirts and mugs soon too.
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Post by TwinStick » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:45 pm

Yeah, not for nothing, but the hot ticket IMHO for a rear bumper would be to integrate the hitch & pick up a few more inches of clearance, cut the rear quarters & fender flare & have the bumper wrap around to protect the lower rear of bed. :rockon:
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-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

2013+ 32.47 crawl ratio...............Can you see the trend ??????????????

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Post by FordyceCreekTrail » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:14 pm

Got to admit that Colorado AEV looks sharp
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Post by Rodeoflyer » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:19 pm

Typical AEV. Looks awesome, corners cut everywhere else. Props for making a nodular iron rear diff cover that works and front that was a waste of money due to sorry (but it looks awesome!) r&d.

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Post by TwinStick » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:55 pm

Yes, it certainly does look sharp. 35" tires on an IFS front end of something that is less than even a 1/2 ton makes me wonder about parts longevity though. I mean, ours came stock with 33's on a 3/4-1 ton platform & our ball joints & tie rod ends sucked, so I gotta think that 35's on a 1/4 ton platform rates as a :wtf: were they thinking moment ! But i could be wrong ? :lol:
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-------------------------5.94:1--------3.28:1-------1.98:1-------1.31:1-------1.0:1-------0.74:1-----5.42:1 ---- = 73.675:1
545RFE----------------3.0:1---------1.67:1--------1.0:1--------0.75:1-------0.67:1------------------3.0:1 -------=37.21:1

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Post by Reloaderguy » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:33 am

Same old uninspired crap designed to look good but not actually increase performance. SSDD
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Post by MikeKey » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:57 pm

It's almost like they just phoned in the rear bumper.

So there is a discussion on their offical forum, same complaints, lets see if they delete posts?

https://forum.aev-conversions.com/forum ... er-at-sema

I've archived the first half here: https://web.archive.org/web/20171101205 ... er-at-sema

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This is the bullshit Social Media way :doh:

You only get to "like" something and Post positive comments... :angry:
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Post by olyelr » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:35 am

I think the point of the tow hooks being where they are is for them to actually act as a skid, instead of using the bumper so much. I dono. Cant imagine why the hell else they would do that.

I love the look of their front bumper... but not the rear bumper. Those tubes just look too out of pace for me.
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Post by MikeKey » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:11 pm

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I think the point of the tow hooks being where they are is for them to actually act as a skid, instead of using the bumper so much. I dono. Cant imagine why the hell else they would do that.

I love the look of their front bumper... but not the rear bumper. Those tubes just look too out of pace for me.
It's possible. I pointed out that this bumper is on a 1500. The tow hooks according to their own site are aluminum and that "Massive A356-T6 cast aluminum tow loops are rated to pass all OE load specifications and double as wear plates to slide over steep obstacles." double as wear plates.

The HD version says the same thing but the tow loops are IRON. I know which material is going to wear more easily. I mentioned the 1500 part, because those hooks are the same color as the 1500 bumper's hooks, the IRON hooks on the HD are a different color. So I wonder if they will produce an HD version or just this single bumper.

Iron should handle being abused more, but I dunno. We observed in Moab that those front hooks acted more like a shovel and dug into things than as "WEAR PLATE" interesting wording btw. Probably to avoid the fact it's not a skid. $50 says they never tested the idea, ever.

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Post by MSCH2112 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:30 pm

the AEV customers don't seem very happy with the RAM rear bumper design.

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Wow--I stepped out for a few months, and look at the ensuing shit show. After reading the first few pages, I ran to CVS to get their mega gallon-size can of b-hurt jelly. :popcorn:
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adeluca73 wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:15 pm
Wow--I stepped out for a few months, and look at the ensuing shit show. After reading the first few pages, I ran to CVS to get their mega gallon-size can of b-hurt jelly. :popcorn:
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Post by adeluca73 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:12 pm

FordyceCreekTrail wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:28 pm
adeluca73 wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:15 pm
Wow--I stepped out for a few months, and look at the ensuing shit show. After reading the first few pages, I ran to CVS to get their mega gallon-size can of b-hurt jelly. :popcorn:
If this is all it takes you dare not go near the Raptor Forums :run:
Uh, ok. Don’t think you’re picking up what I’m laying down.
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The Raptors forums regular run the entire CVS Pharmacy chain out of b-hurt jelly.
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Post by olyelr » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:25 pm

Here is a video explaining why their spacer lift is far superior to new springs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u-BLepaShs


One thing I noticed is how much he points out that there are all sorts of different springs for all the different configurations of trucks, and how they want to keep all that technology in place so the truck can still do exactly what it was designed for from the factory... yet when it comes to the power wagon, they do exactly the opposite of that.
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Post by MikeKey » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:50 pm

So AEV's actual position on this subject is .... ???

Aftermarket coils aren't better, they're worse because they aren't' magically tuned for the application. Or that you can't design a one size fits all applications?

I'd love btw if someone found the parts list for all 40 variations of the front coils and the 18 variations on the rear. I don't doubt it, but seems fantastical. Would love to know the actual specs on those variations. So we could gauge for ourselves how much of this is the truth, and how much is hyperbolic marketing nonsense.
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One thing I noticed is how much he points out that there are all sorts of different springs for all the different configurations of trucks, and how they want to keep all that technology in place so the truck can still do exactly what it was designed for from the factory... yet when it comes to the power wagon, they do exactly the opposite of that.
That has me scratching my head too.... They say that the springs they recommend will be just as good and give you greater performance. But my first-hand observations where that a Power Wagon with their kit and shocks didn't flex the same as a stock PW.
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